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Clovermite
Kamikaze Fleet Command
Kamikaze Project
Posted - 2010.08.18 05:03:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Clovermite on 18/08/2010 05:41:26
Edited by: Clovermite on 18/08/2010 05:05:00
I'd been tossing the idea around for a while, and I finally decided to vote with my feet. I will not support a company who believes that new features are more important than polished, quality content.

I've officially cancelled my account today, it will run out and expire on Oct 26th.

I've had a great time playing Eve, so I want to thank everyone who have made it such a great experience. Despite how much trash gets talked about the Eve community (both outside and inside), I can honestly say it's had the best group of players out of any online game I've ever tried.

In every other game I've played, the typical response for any legitimate question is "lol noob, learn how to play." In contrast, you might get that response in Eve, but they'll usually also follow up with some advice.

Some notable people to thank:

First and foremost: Thanks to my corporation for giving me good group of people to jump into. I'll send whatever is left of my stuff to Mars or Rickta for distribution for the group.

Thanks also to my alliance, I feel like I ended up bonding more with some of you than with many of my corp members.

Go1dfish - I always enjoyed our trading talks. I'm giving you the remaining plex I won from the Massively caption contest, and your pick from my stuff.

Ramakilla - I'm still surprised that you sent me 10 mil out of nowhere just because I lost my ship. I'll be sending you a couple mil

Redvsblue - I'll be giving the corp all of the material goods on my alt account. Thanks for the good fights.

Helicity - thanks for the awesome event. I'll always remember Eve's Halloween fondly. I'll be sending you a mil (maybe more if I have enough).

Nyphur - I love your articles, and I will probably still check in to read them every now and then. I'll be sending you a mil.

Ombey - never met you, but your maps are invaluable, I'll be sending you a mil.

Chribba - also never met you, but for maintaining yourself as a shining beacon of honor, I'll be sending you a mil.

The CSM members (except Maz)
= thanks for being so dedicated to making Eve a better game. It seems pretty obvious that you really care about making a difference. If I have enough money, I'll be sure to send you guys some too.

AFKCloaker - it always amused me to see you post on a thread "cloaked." I'll send you a mil if you do the same here.

I want to specifically give my support to all of you devs who ARE dedicated to creating polished and quality content. My criticisms of CCP are not, and never were, directed at you.

I never met any of the devs in person, but Soundwave and Claw seem pretty cool from what I saw on the AT8 footage (and soundwave further from some of his posts). Abathur also seemed great from some of the posts I read about him.

Finally, thanks to Abraxas, Tony, and all the other story writers. Collectively, and individually, your writings are probably the best I've ever read (and I don't say that lightly, I am a very big Orsonn Scott Card fan for his Ender series).

So long everybody, and thanks for all the fish.

Ulhass
Caldari
Mindstar Technology
Posted - 2010.08.18 05:15:00 - [2]
 

can i haz your stuff

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2010.08.18 08:40:00 - [3]
 

You're a very giving person, cya.

Aturi Kuomi
Perkone
Posted - 2010.08.18 09:28:00 - [4]
 

Lol, I love the way loads of people are rage quitting over forum hype and trolls posts.

It has been stated that there will be polish and fixes coming up and the whole mis-communication betwixt CCP and
the CSM.

As usual the forum sheople will blindly follow the hype of the masses. I would hang onto your stuff until the nerd rage subsides.

will munny
Posted - 2010.08.18 09:55:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Aturi Kuomi
Lol, I love the way loads of people are rage quitting over forum hype and trolls posts.

It has been stated that there will be polish and fixes coming up and the whole mis-communication betwixt CCP and
the CSM.

As usual the forum sheople will blindly follow the hype of the masses. I would hang onto your stuff until the nerd rage subsides.


The problem is that these 'fixes' don't.

Why wait for new broken content when the fixes are needed 5years ago? Why cater for a minority wanting crap like FPS in here when the moneymaker is dying?

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2010.08.18 10:29:00 - [6]
 

@OP Bye bye. At least you stay true to your own principals.

I think CCP is absolutely correct though, that new features are better than polishing existing content as far as subscription numbers go. As long as a feature works and approximately does what it is supposed to do, most people will be content with it. Polishing it further mainly makes the people already using it happier and some of them would have been satisfied with the existing system. Polish won't bring many new players or create new interest in the game with people who weren't already interested in it. If the game doesn't work, you obviously need to fix it, but as I understand the comment was about polishing existing stuff vs making new features and not talking about fixing things that don't work at all vs ignore it all and keep adding new features.

New features are the ones that bring in new players and get old players exited and interested in the game again. If your existing game fuctions normally, it is much better to focus on new features than keep polishing what you already have. I can see this myself every time I browse MMO news sites or play an MMO. I have little to no interest in news articles discussing patches or small tweaks of existing features, unless I play the game already. They also don't make me feel any differently about a game. It is the new features that attract my attention and make me reconsider my previous position about a game.

Reworking an existing feature can be considered a new feature too, if the changes are significant enough, but they still tend to create less exitement than completely new features. Tweaking existing content also always creates frustration with the existing players, so it is better to just leave things alone, if there aren't significan't problems with balancing or the content. In this way new features are a much better way to keep players and increase interest in the game.

Arianhod
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation
space weaponry and trade
Posted - 2010.08.18 11:03:00 - [7]
 

To the op, we know you will be back, but lets get past that.

I would like your assets if you want to go down this route, but there is a chance that CCP will do the plex for Pakistan (if people want to discuss this, use the other thread). I beleive this would be a more worthy cause to donate to.

Failing that, I cannot assemble the CorpseCannon without sufficient materials, more isk would increase the rate of biomass accumulation YARRRR!!

Good luck with future endeavors.

Atedar Kerane
Silentium Mortalitas
Posted - 2010.08.18 11:32:00 - [8]
 

I'm not greedy. Can I please haz one of your stuffz?

Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.08.18 11:50:00 - [9]
 

O/


go1dfish
Posted - 2010.08.18 21:13:00 - [10]
 

Wow I am touched and deeply appreciative of your generous gift. But sad to see a great player leave. The PLEX will be very helpful as I have an account coming due in a couple of days.

I don't fly much myself (starting to a bit more though), so the items would be better served to distribute amongst your corp/our alliance as you or someone else sees fit. I'll take any unique shuttles/ships you have for my collection though =)

I agree completely with your sentiment towards CCP. I am a developer myself (python even, but not for CCP of course) and know firsthand the type of situation like what we see currently coming out of CCP.

There is some truth in the fact that polished quality doesn't sell. The problem that the marketing types and suits tend to overlook is that polished quality is what *RETAINS* customers. Now initial sales and user counts are great. But if you are selling a monthly service, I'd argue that retaining customers is much more important than seeking new ones. Especially so when features of the service itself rely on/require the existence of longtime subscribers (due to the way skill training works).

Software development is *hard* and feature-creep is a real problem. Doubly so in a game, espescially a MMO more features are very attractive. The depth of EVE is one of the main reasons I've recently started playing, but depth easily becomes meaningless when things stop working right.

I plan to throw as little as my own money at CCP as possible, for the same reasons, but I realize of course, that leaving fully is the only true way to speak strongly on such an issue.

--- Start of Rant ---

I'm going to speak for all the developers inside CCP (hopefully) begging and pleading the quality case to their managers.

Managers:

Play the ****ing game, if you aren't playing the game, and/or CCP isn't encouraging/paying you to play the ****ing game, something is horribly horribly wrong and nothing good can come of it.

**** Dust. Let the developers refactor the crufty code eve that seems like an insurmountable task now, because it only gets bigger the more you tack on. Your customers and wallet will thank you over time.

Ask your developers what new shiny features you can get in the process of fixing bugs (yes, sometimes features can come for free, or nearly so).

Do your developers get a share of the crazy sales you expect/hope from dust, and the other goose chases you lead them on?

If they don't, don't you think they should?

If they do, don't you think their interests are aligned with yours, and that they are providing just as equally a valid perspective on their knowledge base as you are of yours?

Now to the developers themselves.

Developers:

Play the ****ing game, if you aren't playing the game, and/or CCP isn't encouraging/paying you to play the ****ing game, something is horribly horribly wrong and nothing good can come of it.

The trick to getting to the fixes that you want, that the managers wont go for is to do it as a part of new feature development.

This is not to say that you just lie and make more work for yourself. This means that you find a way to build a new feature that improves the overall whole. A similar tactic, is you have to play up the new features that come for free (or easily) from structural improvements to problem areas.

You have to realize that marketing doesn't understand how development works whatsoever. It's not even just the fact that they think development is like building a house, it's that they think building a skysc****r is like building a house with more stories.

--- End of Rant ---

Thanks again Clovermite. Walk safe.

Rylie Gayle
Posted - 2010.08.18 21:22:00 - [11]
 

All donations sent to me will be put to Yarr use and I will appreciate it

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2010.08.18 21:26:00 - [12]
 

[arny]He'll be baaaack[/arny]

If only because ccp will eventually fix whatever has him annoyed.

Enjoy your break! \o

Emma Royd
Caldari
Maddled Gommerils
Posted - 2010.08.19 13:01:00 - [13]
 

I don't want your stuff, no really, I don't want it, I've got plenty of 'stuff' as it is, and I fear if you send me some stuff then my stuff pile will fall over and create an awful mess in the hangar Wink

Sad to see a player leave, but understandable. I've been on since mid 2006 and I can't quit, even though I'm not playing that much at the mo, I can't think of the missed training time Crying or Very sad

Scoundrelus
The Black Fleet
Posted - 2010.08.19 15:13:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Aturi Kuomi
Lol, I love the way loads of people are rage quitting over forum hype and trolls posts.


I don't. Less to kill. Sad

whiteshark12
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
Posted - 2010.08.23 23:29:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: whiteshark12 on 23/08/2010 23:32:20
i would also like some stuffs

T'arho
Quarks LLC
Posted - 2010.08.24 17:16:00 - [16]
 

I just rejoined the game after 2.5 years, can I haz some stuff to get back on my feets?

Cpt Placeholder
Posted - 2010.08.24 17:35:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Clovermite
Who can haz my stuff

I can have your stuff, if you give it to me.

Anddeh McNab
Cadre Assault Force
Posted - 2010.08.24 19:06:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: will munny
The problem is that these 'fixes' don't.

Why wait for new broken content when the fixes are needed 5years ago? Why cater for a minority wanting crap like FPS in here when the moneymaker is dying?


So what game do you play? Because it clearly isn't EVE.


 

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