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Securitas Protector
The Concordiat
Concordiat Alliance
Posted - 2010.08.10 18:05:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Securitas Protector on 10/08/2010 18:05:07
I stumbled across the old intro trailer from the very beginnings of the game, and when watching it I felt powerful emotions that I haven't felt in years. It captured the timelessness and infinite horizons of space, and I remember feeling that way through the first year or so of EVE; infinite possiblities in a massive world. Now I can't help but feel in the tangle of politics and charted space, though important parts of the game, we've lost the wonder and awe. I can't speak for everyone, only myself, but in the video there is this unquantifiable emotion that simply doesn't appear to be in EVE anymore. It has nothing to do with game mechanics, but perhaps the storyline needs rekindling, with special attention towards the sheer EVE-ness that this trailer has.

Of course, I haven't really been much in wormhole space now, and it seems like if any place in EVE still has this magic, it would be there. Maybe someone can comment on this?

Here's the trailer, tell me what you think.

Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2010.08.10 18:10:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Securitas Protector
Edited by: Securitas Protector on 10/08/2010 18:05:07
I stumbled across the old intro trailer from the very beginnings of the game, and when watching it I felt powerful emotions that I haven't felt in years. It captured the timelessness and infinite horizons of space, and I remember feeling that way through the first year or so of EVE; infinite possiblities in a massive world. Now I can't help but feel in the tangle of politics and charted space, though important parts of the game, we've lost the wonder and awe. I can't speak for everyone, only myself, but in the video there is this unquantifiable emotion that simply doesn't appear to be in EVE anymore. It has nothing to do with game mechanics, but perhaps the storyline needs rekindling, with special attention towards the sheer EVE-ness that this trailer has.

Of course, I haven't really been much in wormhole space now, and it seems like if any place in EVE still has this magic, it would be there. Maybe someone can comment on this?

Here's the trailer, tell me what you think.


I know what you're getting and I do somewhat agree, but I think a lot of that just comes through the fact you were new, a feeling you can never go back to.

It's kind of like college - your first year you're all wide-eyed and stunned, by the end you're an old hand and the charm has kinda worn off.

To be honest, having been here 5+ years, even if they added a dozen new 0.0 regions I will never get that feeling back again. It was to do with the game being unknown, not the gameworld.

Minchurra
Caldari
Posted - 2010.08.10 18:21:00 - [3]
 

Damn I still get nerdchills when I watch that.

That intro was what finally convinced me to play the game, and although the new intro has better graphics it dosen't feel anywhere near as powerful.

Krennel Darius
Caldari
EON Solutions
The Laughing Men
Posted - 2010.08.10 18:25:00 - [4]
 

I doubt that we will ever get that back, now that the vasty nothingness of space now has a 20AU wall around it.

Lord Xantoh
Posted - 2010.08.10 18:26:00 - [5]
 

I know and miss that feeling too.

I felt it for a short period of time during the introduction of wormholes. Empty and silent space with potential danger looming near you.

Now, WH space feels crowded, with one or more POSes inside. There is no real distinction to known space anymore... I miss that feeling of "emptyness" where each player is given the feeling and chance to always be on discovery, in pve and pvp.

I hope CCP someday releases 2500 WH systems where POSes cannot be built.

Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey
Mordus Angels
Posted - 2010.08.10 18:32:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Eventy One on 10/08/2010 18:32:51
Originally by: Securitas Protector
Of course, I haven't really been much in wormhole space now, and it seems like if any place in EVE still has this magic, it would be there. Maybe someone can comment on this?.


Herein lies the problem.

Last night I traveled through 10 wh systems, scanning each one, shunning wh's that led back to k-space. I was chased in one system by 5 Tengus, a pilgrim, 2 Onyx's, a Helios and a pod.

You want to feel the expanse of space in EVE again? Go into a wh and just go! You want that feeling to be amplified? Do it in a Zephyr!

(I forgot to mention, examine closely the Talocan and Sleeper structures, see the hidden info they contain and appreciate the work CCP's game content group has done)

Seriously

Xroxreariad Ramatarapap
Posted - 2010.08.10 18:37:00 - [7]
 

As Pesky said, large part of that lost touch you're talking about (I got it as well, tbh) comes from the fact that you're playing this game for years so it must become somewhat old in time. But it's also true that EVE lacks mistery, awe, feeling of vast unknown space... you know, all those good classic places in sci-fi genre. Here everything comes down to plain old pew-pew and numbers crunching.

Happy Nding
Posted - 2010.08.10 18:38:00 - [8]
 

I feel the same way. Came back after taking a long break and I barely made it two weeks without losing interest. Maybe its the lack of alliances like BOB. Who provided a target for most of the game, or maybe it was the fact that eve was ahead of its time back then, but now its starting to stay even or fall behind. I will never sell my get rid of my original character, but I am planning on selling the characters on my other 2 accounts.

Eve was/is an amazing game and I will continue to tell that to anymore who asks. No game comes close for providing an epic experience for a new player.





Yes this is an alt.

Boltorano
Fourth Circle
Total Comfort
Posted - 2010.08.10 18:46:00 - [9]
 

As a player since 2004 I always thought that intro was a bit lame and didn't capture my idea of EVE's atmosphere at all. Neutral

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
Posted - 2010.08.10 18:48:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 10/08/2010 18:48:51
Hell yea I'm with you man. Looks like everyone else is too...


All of this new content and somehow EVE has lost ALL of its old content. What comes next? Who knows? I just log on because I am stubborn and have always said to myself I would never take a break from EVE. It is my first and only MMO.


But I am closing on 42M SP on my main here, and I am so bored I never play for more then 30 min. It be nice to log on to the "Old EVE" again.

Atticus Fynch
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.10 19:15:00 - [11]
 

eve has lost that lovin' feeling

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2010.08.10 20:37:00 - [12]
 

The loss of that feeling has nothing to do with EVE. In fact, it's has more to do with psychology. You can easily compare the feeling of exploration in a huge virtual world to the feeling of exploration of our real world. If you look at it that way, you can see that the first year of EVE is like childhood - you're constantly exploring and admiring every detail of the game as you were exploring and learning about the world when you were a child.

But after a while, some details disappear because you don't pay attention to them any more because you are so used to them that they just feel normal. You get to generalize the world that is surrounding you and forming your own point of view. The "mental shell image" then gets formed, as I like to call it, that changes your view on the game to something more global with details that are now moved to subconscious.

The forming of mental shells is the key part of learning process. Without it our minds could not make any sense of the huge amount of details. You get richer every day by learning something new, but you also lose all those beautiful details from a time when you started discovering it. That ultimately results in nostalgia.

Namira Sable
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2010.08.10 21:44:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Atticus Fynch
eve has lost that lovin' feeling
Dear CCP, Take my Breath Away [once more].

Frug
Omega Wing
Snatch Victory
Posted - 2010.08.10 21:46:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Krennel Darius
I doubt that we will ever get that back, now that the vasty nothingness of space now has a 20AU wall around it.


Morons in this thread who think moving bookmarks constitutes a "wall" non shocker. More at 11.

Kyle Sucks
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2010.08.10 21:52:00 - [15]
 

Eve got smaller for me. There's just no place where you'll be alone, or "too far out" to reach; be it 25 jumps to Tenal, or a random C6 wormhole... Scale's always been a part of what fascinated me about eve.

Cire XIII
Caldari
Ever Flow
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.08.10 21:57:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Cire XIII on 10/08/2010 22:04:10
Revelations II Trailer Is my favorite Eve video and still gives me goosebumps.

Edit: "No Other destiny" often gets me confused, but I fixed it.

ShadowandLight
Amarr
Cryptonym Sleepers
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.08.10 21:57:00 - [17]
 

it lost 22b in a kestrel the other day, maybe thats the hole you are referring to..

( omg did I just troll someone? )

Draconyx
Posted - 2010.08.10 22:01:00 - [18]
 

Revelations, Revelations II & Trinity are my all time favorites as far as trailers that get your attention.

Nothing sense then has carried the same effect.

Karn Dulake
Posted - 2010.08.10 22:02:00 - [19]
 

That was without doubt the best intro i have ever seen for EVE. Im only 6 months in and ive seen most things as i have powerful friends. But if you could capture that feeling for this game it would truly to something.

Djavo
Midas Tycho
Posted - 2010.08.10 22:04:00 - [20]
 

Bring back the original rotating wire head login... was awesome, canne find a screenshot anywhere.

Bunzan Cardinal
Ascendent.
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2010.08.10 22:38:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Bunzan Cardinal on 10/08/2010 22:40:23
i feel the same way now. The game somehow feels much smaller then it used to. I find it harder and harder to log in and do something other then update my skill queue, since otherwise its just doing what i've always done. I've tried WH's but it seems like every WH has a pos and people already settled into the system. I think it would be really cool if another galaxy was added, like old eden, milky way or w.e you wanna call it. I think after Incarna, the population would be large enough to spread out even more with an addition like another galaxy.... may help with lag too Rolling Eyes

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
Posted - 2010.08.10 23:03:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 10/08/2010 23:16:23
Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik
The loss of that feeling has nothing to do with EVE. In fact, it's has more to do with psychology. You can easily compare the feeling of exploration in a huge virtual world to the feeling of exploration of our real world. If you look at it that way, you can see that the first year of EVE is like childhood - you're constantly exploring and admiring every detail of the game as you were exploring and learning about the world when you were a child.

But after a while, some details disappear because you don't pay attention to them any more because you are so used to them that they just feel normal. You get to generalize the world that is surrounding you and forming your own point of view. The "mental shell image" then gets formed, as I like to call it, that changes your view on the game to something more global with details that are now moved to subconscious.

The forming of mental shells is the key part of learning process. Without it our minds could not make any sense of the huge amount of details. You get richer every day by learning something new, but you also lose all those beautiful details from a time when you started discovering it. That ultimately results in nostalgia.


You a smart cookie. I approve.




However I'd like to add something. There is no longer any "Cold dark depths of space" in this game. Every place is populated to the teeth with 0.0 carebears. The fact that there are still many systems with no one in them is irrelevant, beacuse now is the golden age of Supercarrier hot drops. Nothing that you do, your gang does, your corp does, or your alliance does will ever be able to shake a fist at the NC, SC, EC (Eastern coalition)


You join a big name or you rent. You achieve nothing, and you build nothing from scratch anymore . . .



Go to empire, the market is saturated. Research slots are *****d, and even if you mass build on an EPIC scale you will still not make a ripple in the market or the economy. Traders play the .01 game, and manufacturing is useless without a tech 2 BPO. Unless you make/sell in mass the profit is ever so tiny and barely worth the time compared to just running lv4 after lv 4 after lv 4 after lv 4 [Into Infinity]



Every mission is memorized from damage type to mission triggers . . .


Wormhole life requires playing the "Circle Game" far to often then most people can stomach--and most every single one is colonized.





So, what you say may be correct but . . .


Where is the frontier?
Where is the savage domain?
Where is a chance to build something from nothing?


See what I mean?





Edit:


At this very moment I am in the very most ass end of Stain. And I am looking at multiple customs offices inside of starsystems and PI hasn't even been around that long. How much time until literally every single planet has one on them?

Nothing in EVE can ever be a "new and untouched frontier" ever again. We continue playing because we wish that it could be.

Phosphorus Palladium
Posted - 2010.08.10 23:44:00 - [23]
 

Nowadays EVE feels more like a city with different districts than a vast exploreable space.

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2010.08.10 23:49:00 - [24]
 

what it has lost is individuals that make a difference in the game.

its no longer possible for one person to tip the scales

now, you have a great fight rarely (had a good one today that cost me a sac) and when you want to do something that will shape the universe, the other Guy bring so many people to the fight that its pretty much equivalent to your opponent kicking over the kitchen table you are playing on.

just too big to contain its parts now.

This is what is missing and its clear when you watch the butterfly effect. CCP wants the game to be like this but it isn't.

I met that solo Guy in a wolf in 0.0, he took two jumps an died in a brief flash while stuck in a bubble all confused looking.

just too many gods in this universe



Phosphorus Palladium
Posted - 2010.08.10 23:59:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Phosphorus Palladium on 11/08/2010 00:00:21
Originally by: Spurty
what it has lost is individuals that make a difference in the game.

its no longer possible for one person to tip the scales

now, you have a great fight rarely (had a good one today that cost me a sac) and when you want to do something that will shape the universe, the other Guy bring so many people to the fight that its pretty much equivalent to your opponent kicking over the kitchen table you are playing on.

just too big to contain its parts now.

This is what is missing and its clear when you watch the butterfly effect. CCP wants the game to be like this but it isn't.

I met that solo Guy in a wolf in 0.0, he took two jumps an died in a brief flash while stuck in a bubble all confused looking.

just too many gods in this universe


Actually there still are some solists in some parts of 0.0. But yes, their chances of survival are slim.
Still, I tip my hat to anyone who has the balls and skill to solo pvp. Much respect to those.

Marexlovox
Gallente
High Flyers
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2010.08.11 00:02:00 - [26]
 

I am missing 4 Rifter's. Does that help?

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2010.08.11 00:04:00 - [27]
 

@Eternum Praetorian:

Yes, you're right about that. Every system in EVE now is populated. Even if no one owns the system (no sov module), you sill know who it belongs to and what's the political situation there.

Wormholes could be the final frontier, but only if you could go deep enough to a system that could only be reached by passing through multiple W-Systems from the K-Space entrance. Maybe a small amount of those systems exist, but even if they do, that's not much of an exploration as it is a logistical nightmare to fuel the POS(es) that you are living in.

So yes, EVE has lost that "exploration spirit" in favor of shiny new useless content. Hmm... I might write an idea in the Features & ideas thread. You might look at it once it's posted and see if it's viable.Wink

Mynxee
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.08.11 00:36:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
There is no longer any "Cold dark depths of space" in this game. Every place is populated to the teeth with 0.0 carebears.

...

Where is the frontier?
Where is the savage domain?
Where is a chance to build something from nothing?

See what I mean?

At this very moment I am in the very most ass end of Stain. And I am looking at multiple customs offices inside of starsystems and PI hasn't even been around that long. How much time until literally every single planet has one on them?

Nothing in EVE can ever be a "new and untouched frontier" ever again. We continue playing because we wish that it could be.


I've been feeling this for a long time now. There's no sense of getting lost in the jungle now...it seems to all have been paved over. Wormholes were magical at first mainly due to the fun of exploration in finding them...it's not like you go inside and things are that much different. Oh sure...there are certain mechanical differences, Sleepers are there, and the spatial effects vary in some of them. But...that's a flavor difference, not awe-inspiring from the sense-of-wonder and small-band-of-adventurers perspective.

Incarna probably seeks to expand the "inner space" of EVE but I predict it will probably be a long time coming before players will be able to install facilities that eventually confer different "personalities" from one station to the next (if ever, considering historic precedence). If that does happen, then there will be some fun in traveling around with a tourist's sense of wonder to visit stations and see what's on offer.

But that doesn't do a damn thing for the sense of exploration and wonder IN SPACE that is so missing right now in this SCI-FI SPACESHIPS-THEMED game. Unfortunately, I doubt a business case can be made for building in the randomness, mechanics, and unique content that would be required to address that. Not to mention the challenge of finding explorer rather than economist or conqueror mindsets to form the vision and lead the creative direction of such an effort.


Securitas Protector
The Concordiat
Concordiat Alliance
Posted - 2010.08.11 02:52:00 - [29]
 

Just so that it's not all moaning and groaning for me, perhaps CCP could have a (small) team to create individual events to small players or groups. IE monitoring the locations and just spawning or creating interesting things. Of course, we'd have whining about it not being fair, but it'd allow people to talk to their friends and say 'Wow, you'll NEVER guess what happened to me' and actually mean it, instead of just saying 'I found an officer spawn' or something.

This Sansha's invasion is cool, but it's very ordered, random events and installations and goings on(I'm sure you could automate it) that only happen once or twice or something would make EVE much more varied and interesting. Perhaps even the ability to create small, force-field-less deepspace outposts or something, just to give an idea of home.

Ocih
Amarr
Space Mermaids
Posted - 2010.08.11 03:06:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Ocih on 11/08/2010 03:09:28
Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik
@Eternum Praetorian:

Yes, you're right about that. Every system in EVE now is populated. Even if no one owns the system (no sov module), you sill know who it belongs to and what's the political situation there.

Wormholes could be the final frontier, but only if you could go deep enough to a system that could only be reached by passing through multiple W-Systems from the K-Space entrance. Maybe a small amount of those systems exist, but even if they do, that's not much of an exploration as it is a logistical nightmare to fuel the POS(es) that you are living in.

So yes, EVE has lost that "exploration spirit" in favor of shiny new useless content. Hmm... I might write an idea in the Features & ideas thread. You might look at it once it's posted and see if it's viable.Wink


You gave me a mental picture of Inception. 5 tier in.

Kspace, find a WH to a system you can only get from through a Kspace WH. L WH that has a WH to Mspace, only gotten to from L space? N from an M. I would love to find such a chain.

OP: Yea, I remember those days. '05 here and the systems were alot less populated. There are places I would go then I wouldnt dream of going now. Places I never quite made it to and I know I never will.


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