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Achlua
Posted - 2010.08.08 01:15:00 - [121]
 

Just try to think of it a different way.

I single 30 day plex is worth 300 mil.
A 30 day time code costs me $15.
Therefor, using simple math, anyone with a 5th grade education can deduct that ANY in-game item is worth plain hard cash.

That makes the drake I fly around in worth about $5 fitted.

That makes the Raven I fly around in about $10 fitted.

It's the same as any other item, sure the loss hurt, but it's the same value as... say.. a stack of faction mods.

Quaaid
Caldari
EVE Pilot Help Center
Posted - 2010.08.08 01:19:00 - [122]
 

Edited by: Quaaid on 08/08/2010 01:20:13
I was writing this long post about the PLEX system and customer protection and my views on how things should work but then I realized that my only real regret here is not being online in time to get on the killmail.

God help my soul.


NoScream
Amarr
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2010.08.08 01:21:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: Anitta Blake

I feel cpp should give a percentage of the profit in this case to a charity

add your support for this proposal


what better than to the Orphanage? (You should keep what you kill)
It's a game.... like no other.

The cost of a PLEX is like everything else, it has no more or less value than the work you put into getting it. 22B is a weeks trading for some or a few ship sales for others & for the odd one, a credit card invoice. IF anyone were to benefit it should be the players that got the kill.





Sol Lethe
Gallente
Ghost-Busters
Posted - 2010.08.08 01:21:00 - [124]
 

I don't think the point of contention in most people's minds is that that the plex can be destroyed, it's the manner in which it is destroyed. The destuction of an item is a game mechanic and it's 'supposed' to be completely random, but the player base will never know if the chance is slightly less (read: next to zero) than it should be for this particular item. ;)

It makes you question their motives when they claim to want to remove the special properties from an item, but fail to remove the one property that makes it special in the first place: it cannot be spawned within the game world without paying money for it.

Dzajic
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.08 01:21:00 - [125]
 

PLEX is not "just like any other in game item". It is a very special thingy, bough by real world money, and ultimately only usable to purchase a real world service.

There was never and could never be any other reason to PLEX change other than to have them destroyed in game, directly creating money for CCP.

Only argument you can say against is that "no matter how many people get killed with 22Bn in PLEXs its still not that much money".

Small note about corporate greed. World of Warcraft earns Activision around $2Bn per year. And yet they created quite a ruckus by having Blizzard sell a special mount for $25, there was rage and flames and "WOW is dying" all over the forums and net. They totally made a couple million dollars, maybe 10-20 at max. In a game that makes ~$2,000,000,000 a year, that is below the margin of error, and was still worth doing.

CCP here is working with far more subscribers and far lower profits and ROI. So if they can make a couple extra mill per year trough PLEXes being destroyed in game...

And if CCP wants even more cash on it, we could easily see PLEXEs only being redeemable on some stations, and only being able to add to game time on other stations, forcing people to move them.

kurg
Posted - 2010.08.08 01:22:00 - [126]
 

This is why im such a huge advocate of Natural Selection, stupid runs strong in the Eve community!

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.08.08 01:33:00 - [127]
 

Originally by: Dzajic
PLEX is not "just like any other in game item". It is a very special thingy, bough by real world money, and ultimately only usable to purchase a real world service.
The fac that it can be used for a number of different purposes kind of belies this assertion.
Quote:
There was never and could never be any other reason to PLEX change other than to have them destroyed in game, directly creating money for CCP.
There is no change. PLEXes have always been destroyable.

David Grogan
Gallente
The Motley Crew Reborn
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2010.08.08 01:42:00 - [128]
 

Edited by: David Grogan on 08/08/2010 01:41:52
Originally by: andeira
http://ad0pt.evekb.co.uk/?a=kill_related&kll_id=1539031

api verified there happy happy joy joy for ccp


that has to be one of the worst looking killboards ever.


tell the guy/gal that designed that they FAIL

its poor colour + bad layout makes it closable after 2 seconds due to ifailatwebpagedesignitis

seriously horrible webpage skills

0oO0oOoOo0o
Posted - 2010.08.08 01:50:00 - [129]
 

Originally by: Achlua
Just try to think of it a different way.

I single 30 day plex is worth 300 mil.
A 30 day time code costs me $15.
Therefor, using simple math, anyone with a 5th grade education can deduct that ANY in-game item is worth plain hard cash.

That makes the drake I fly around in worth about $5 fitted.

That makes the Raven I fly around in about $10 fitted.

It's the same as any other item, sure the loss hurt, but it's the same value as... say.. a stack of faction mods.

There is a little diffrence though. The Drake might be worth 5$, but it belongs to CCP, like any ingame item. CCP can take away your Drake whenever they like and you can't do **** about it. CCP can't take away your PLEX though. If they did, you could sue and get your money back under like every legal system in the world. All that idiots who claim that PLEXes are like any other ingame items simply have no clue about legal things. A PLEX has an impact on the contractual relationship between you and CCP, the other items don't. If it were just an item like every thing else that solely belongs to CCP, it couldn't do that. A plex consist of a) the right to be granted 30 days and b) the pixel graphics, by which it is represented. Any other ingame item consists only of b) and has no a), thats the diffrence.

ShadowandLight
Amarr
Cryptonym Sleepers
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.08.08 01:50:00 - [130]
 

posting in a thread-naught!

Demitrios
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas.
Posted - 2010.08.08 01:51:00 - [131]
 

Edited by: Demitrios on 08/08/2010 01:59:30
oh, and fyi, plex's do drop.

Quote:
2010.08.08 01:48:00

Victim: Demitrios
Corp: Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Alliance: Atlas Alliance
Faction: Unknown
Destroyed: Bestower
System: ****
Security: 0.0
Damage Taken: 2995

Involved parties:

Name: Angel Seizer / Archangels (laid the final blow)
Damage Done: 2995

Destroyed items:

30 Day Pilot's License Extension (PLEX), Qty: 101 (Cargo)

Dropped items:

30 Day Pilot's License Extension (PLEX), Qty: 4299899 (Cargo)


Granted its a sisi loss, but getting them to drop is more than possible.
proof

HarrietMiers
Helljumpers
Dead Terrorists
Posted - 2010.08.08 01:56:00 - [132]
 

Pwnt.



Nothing else to say really, though the butthurt in this thread is getting silly. This isn't lag people, this is one moron making a series of bad decisions and the rest of the community pointing and laughing. The white knights in here are either trolling or need to find another game.

Sroasa
Gallente
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.08.08 02:14:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: ShadowandLight
posting in a thread-naught!


Posting in a WIDOT thread.

San Severina
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.08.08 02:22:00 - [134]
 

Plex should always drop, I mean rly, it's just way too sus to have them not drop. Who gains?



RifterDrifter
La Blue Girl
Posted - 2010.08.08 02:34:00 - [135]
 

Edited by: RifterDrifter on 08/08/2010 02:35:23
Originally by: San Severina
Plex should always drop, I mean rly, it's just way too sus to have them not drop. Who gains?





Personally i think all kinds of loot should always drop 100%.
All those mods that get destroyed are just a terrible waste.

Maybe i should make a thread about it and beg to CCP for compensation.

Neo Omni
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.08 03:37:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: San Severina
Plex should always drop, I mean rly, it's just way too sus to have them not drop. Who gains?





CCP gaines. They no longer have to honor the time for the plex, but they still keep the cash.

BeachParty
Caldari
Semi Precious
Posted - 2010.08.08 03:42:00 - [137]
 

If anyone has the heart, contract that pilot a new Kestral.

Jessica Lanson
Posted - 2010.08.08 03:48:00 - [138]
 

So I hear this was a war target killed by mercs?

If only the victims had a large stack of plex or ISK to hire their own ... oh wait.

Denidil
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.08.08 03:49:00 - [139]
 

Originally by: ShadowandLight
posting in a thread-naught!


hell dude.. you STARTED the threadnaught.


oh and to all the "waaa waa real world money behind waa waa"

farking QQ more.

would i be ****ed if plexes belonging to me got popped? yes
who would i ****ed at? myself for being a moron.

as for the "waa waa CCP greedy, no other reason to do this people": every special treatment item in the game creates complexities that can introduce bugs. by eliminating this class of "Special item" from the game they eliminate a potential source of bugs and exploits.

BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
Posted - 2010.08.08 03:55:00 - [140]
 

First off, I'll Say this.....AWWWWWWW...Someone call a WAAAAAAAAAbulance for the complete moron that even did what he did...Hey, It's legal

Second, Eff Yoo CCP for your money grab scam...While this will probably be the biggest you'll ever see, it should have never been implemented in the first place..My guess is your starting to loose players (and profit/capital) and thats why this 'feature' was enabled

Third goes to 0rphanage....Awesome kill, please don't do it again...Other than 22B in game losses and it really does look sweet on your killboard, you didnt gain anything other than make CCP laugh at getting free money...Oh and the whole 4 points on your kb.

Kill guys with a crapload of ships ad mods...not with a bunch of Plexes


Atticus Fynch
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.08 03:58:00 - [141]
 

Originally by: BuckStrider
First off, I'll Say this.....AWWWWWWW...Someone call a WAAAAAAAAAbulance for the complete moron that even did what he did...Hey, It's legal

Second, Eff Yoo CCP for your money grab scam...While this will probably be the biggest you'll ever see, it should have never been implemented in the first place..My guess is your starting to loose players (and profit/capital) and thats why this 'feature' was enabled

Third goes to 0rphanage....Awesome kill, please don't do it again...Other than 22B in game losses and it really does look sweet on your killboard, you didnt gain anything other than make CCP laugh at getting free money...Oh and the whole 4 points on your kb.

Kill guys with a crapload of ships ad mods...not with a bunch of Plexes




^this

Koyama Ise
Caldari
Posted - 2010.08.08 03:58:00 - [142]
 

I'm surrounded by idiots. Morons who can't add one to two. Excuse me while I go kill myself.Evil or Very Mad

Denidil
Gallente
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.08.08 03:59:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: BuckStrider

Second, Eff Yoo CCP for your money grab scam



QQ moar

in other games where you can buy ingame items for real world money is it a scam when they get destroyed?
if you could pay $5 for an Imperial Navy Apoc would it be a scam when you get blown away because you're a freaking idiot and warped to 50km on Jita 4-4 while wardec'ed?


Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.08.08 04:00:00 - [144]
 

Originally by: Koyama Ise
I'm surrounded by idiots. Morons who can't add one to two. Excuse me while I go kill myself.Evil or Very Mad
Stuff! Gimme!! Before it's too late!!!

Barkaial Starfinder
Minmatar
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
Posted - 2010.08.08 04:15:00 - [145]
 

The only thing wrong here is that drops are calculated on whole stacks.
Maybe they should calculate drops of portions or % of stacks, and some PLEXes might drop Smile

Who ever get plexes and travel with them is accepting the risk for selling somewhere else for profit.

LittleTerror
Day Unhappy Security Inc.
Posted - 2010.08.08 04:16:00 - [146]
 

Damn I kind of feel bad for the guy Crying or Very sad

humm no I don't. HAHAHAHAHAHA

alittlebirdy
Posted - 2010.08.08 04:34:00 - [147]
 

Originally by: Sky Marshal
And to the idiot just before, compare with a car is not a good analogy.


Aw why cause it hurts your case? Nice fail english btw.

You do not BUY a PLEX you buy a GTC, you then CONVERT THE GTC to a plex.

You are not then paying money for a plex, you are paying money for a gtc you are trading the GTC for a plex.

Don't see what is so hard to understand about it, that is it, CCP sold you a GTC, you did what you wanted with that CODE. It aint cash > plex it is cash > GTC > plex.

Marconus Orion
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.08.08 04:35:00 - [148]
 

How will Space Monkeys fund the 50+ lag bubbles they use on the entrance system to their space now? All that farming gone down the tube. Any official Space Monkey statement?

Inquisitor Mikko
Posted - 2010.08.08 05:27:00 - [149]
 

Do some people forget so easily?!

Risk = Reward

How much would this player of made if he managed to get to his destination and complete whatever trade it was??

Unfortunately the ship and fitting increased the risk somewhat, and the flying of the pilot from the sound of things..

Also many of you were crying out that the game was too easy, too easy to make good isk, well here is some more risk.

As said before, No-one is making you undock, if you want the gametime you will activate it straight away, if you want to take a risk and try and profit, then accept those risks..

Simples
*squeak*

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2010.08.08 05:58:00 - [150]
 

A lot of people seem to confuse GTC's with Plex.

GTC's have a monetary value, can get a refund (I believe) for that value, and are redeemable for game time or can be converted into an in game item called a plex (2 actually). These are not destructible in game.

At the point of conversion into in game items (2 PLEX) the GTC loses all monetary value.

A PLEX has no monetary value, nor can be refunded for money. It is simply a valueless in game item like all other in game items.

If the person in question bought the PLEX from someone else, he spent valueless in game money to purchase them.

If the person in question converted multiple GTC's into PLEX's, he voluntarily negated any real world value the GTC had and transformed them into a valueless item he could sell in game for equally valueless game money.

If the point of buying the original GTC's was for the person in question to extend his game time, he would never have converted/moved the PLEX's to begin with... although strictly speaking their intentions are completely irrelevant as to the discussion of whether a PLEX has any kind of real world value.




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