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Shawna Gray
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.11 09:26:00 - [721]
 

Originally by: Apollo Gabriel

There really are legitimate concerns being expressed here


Nope.


Adora Femella
Posted - 2010.08.11 09:59:00 - [722]
 

Originally by: Shawna Gray
Originally by: Apollo Gabriel

There really are legitimate concerns being expressed here


Nope.




QFT. Since it takes concent of the player to convert a GTC to PLEX, and CCP provides 100% safe ways for the initial owner to convert both GTC and a PLEX to ISK and gametime, there really are no legitimate concerns. There might be some, if these safe mechanisms didn't exist, but since they do there really aren't any.

The few people, besides the obvious trolls, that keep crying foul either show a very poor grasp of reality or seem to be concerned about some theoretical and non-existant situations instead of looking at what is actually happening. Either way this whole thing is a non-issue as far as legitimate concerns are concerned.

Brannor McThife
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2010.08.11 11:25:00 - [723]
 

According to the latest QEN, CCP sells over 70,000 PLEX (that's coverted GTC, no mention of GTC in total) PER MONTH.

So if you convert, using simple maths of $15 each... that's over 1 million smackers, or at their average rate of ISK @ 350m:

24,500,000,000,000 ISK Or in words - 24.5 Trillion ISK exchanges hands each month in the purchase/trade of virtualised Game Time.

What if all of those got destroyed... Shocked

-G

IDieAlotInGateCamps
Posted - 2010.08.11 11:34:00 - [724]
 

Edited by: IDieAlotInGateCamps on 11/08/2010 11:33:58
Originally by: Brannor McThife
According to the latest QEN, CCP sells over 70,000 PLEX (that's coverted GTC, no mention of GTC in total) PER MONTH.

So if you convert, using simple maths of $15 each... that's over 1 million smackers, or at their average rate of ISK @ 350m:

24,500,000,000,000 ISK Or in words - 24.5 Trillion ISK exchanges hands each month in the purchase/trade of virtualised Game Time.

What if all of those got destroyed... Shocked

-G


Can I have some of that stuff you want to destroy? Pretty please? I'm good with 10%! Embarassed


edit: failed quoting Laughing

Foundation Vox
Posted - 2010.08.11 11:47:00 - [725]
 

could care less.

Mallui Mallard
Posted - 2010.08.11 12:07:00 - [726]
 

Originally by: Foundation Vox
could care less.

Do you care a lot about it? Or mildly care about it? Perhaps some varying degree of care?

ShadowandLight
Amarr
Cryptonym Sleepers
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.08.11 13:09:00 - [727]
 

Originally by: Brannor McThife
According to the latest QEN, CCP sells over 70,000 PLEX (that's coverted GTC, no mention of GTC in total) PER MONTH.

So if you convert, using simple maths of $15 each... that's over 1 million smackers, or at their average rate of ISK @ 350m:

24,500,000,000,000 ISK Or in words - 24.5 Trillion ISK exchanges hands each month in the purchase/trade of virtualised Game Time.

What if all of those got destroyed... Shocked

-G


300k subscribers x $15 ( someones paying that either way ) is $4.5m a month.

And they cant fix sov bugs? Cant be asked to fix scanning colors?

Where in gods green earth are they spending 4.5m $$ a month?

DUST and World of Darkness I guess, it cannont be on eve.

Sujanra Acoma
Minmatar
Shadow Kitty Legion
Rura-Penthe
Posted - 2010.08.11 14:36:00 - [728]
 

Originally by: ShadowandLight
Originally by: Brannor McThife
According to the latest QEN, CCP sells over 70,000 PLEX (that's coverted GTC, no mention of GTC in total) PER MONTH.

So if you convert, using simple maths of $15 each... that's over 1 million smackers, or at their average rate of ISK @ 350m:

24,500,000,000,000 ISK Or in words - 24.5 Trillion ISK exchanges hands each month in the purchase/trade of virtualised Game Time.

What if all of those got destroyed... Shocked

-G


300k subscribers x $15 ( someones paying that either way ) is $4.5m a month.

And they cant fix sov bugs? Cant be asked to fix scanning colors?

Where in gods green earth are they spending 4.5m $$ a month?

DUST and World of Darkness I guess, it cannont be on eve.


Bawwwwwwwwwwww.

Anyway, I'd just like to point out that that guy did not pay money for those PLEXes for the purpose of applying gametime. He would never have had to move them for that. He bought them for the purpose of moving them and selling them elsewhere. He wanted to reap an ingame reward, so he took an ingame risk.

Fair. Next.

Apollo Cochrane
Posted - 2010.08.11 15:07:00 - [729]
 

I'm fairly new to EVE and am loving it. When I first read that CCP were going to let you undock with PLEX onboard I thought it was such a cool chaos-inducing idea. I guess I was right.

I first heard about Aystra's huge loss here and immediately ran to find a calculator. At US $17.50 per PLEX, that's US $1295.00 in real money that as many have already said, went straight into CCP's pocket for essentially doing nothing. For free. 6 YEARS of gametime. Freakin' crazy.

Now, don't get me wrong - I totally agree that this was the pilot's fault, and there are other ways to move plex (even I know that and I'm a newb) and if you undock with plex in your hold you'd better be prepared to defend yourself, but what I don't agree with is that PLEX can be destroyed.

I think that it's wrong that CCP should be allowed to basically get money for nothing. It's as simple as that. PLEX should be indestructible. Encase them in some new tripolymer alloy or whatever you got ta do, CCP! (Er, I mean CONCORD). Just make it so the PLEX doesn't simply disappear into CCP's bank account. (Yes I know the transaction with CCP ended when you hit 'Submit' on the credit card purchase screen, but you know what I mean).

Far from taking excitement away from the pvp aspect of PLEX transportation, I think this would ADD to it, since if you make the kill, the PLEX is guaranteed. This will in-turn make more players want to go 'PLEXing' and therefore increase the risk of being a PLEX hauler and may even alter the market price.

So the players get more PLEX-induced chaos, (thereby adding to in-game thrills) and CCP don't get paid for nothing.

Avius Rhinstien
Posted - 2010.08.11 15:26:00 - [730]
 

Originally by: ShadowandLight
Originally by: Brannor McThife
According to the latest QEN, CCP sells over 70,000 PLEX (that's coverted GTC, no mention of GTC in total) PER MONTH.

So if you convert, using simple maths of $15 each... that's over 1 million smackers, or at their average rate of ISK @ 350m:

24,500,000,000,000 ISK Or in words - 24.5 Trillion ISK exchanges hands each month in the purchase/trade of virtualised Game Time.

What if all of those got destroyed... Shocked

-G


300k subscribers x $15 ( someones paying that either way ) is $4.5m a month.

And they cant fix sov bugs? Cant be asked to fix scanning colors?

Where in gods green earth are they spending 4.5m $$ a month?

DUST and World of Darkness I guess, it cannont be on eve.


Your grasp of logic is astounding, EVE is not 1 server, each system is a server of it's own. Those servers cost money to run, as do the employees that keep them running. Then there's developers who tend to get some nice pay cheques because believe it or not developing and maintaining a game such as EVE is pretty hard. Then you have to pay all the customer service represenatives, you know the people who respond to your petitions. There's graphic artists, network programers, rendering engineers, writers, and even lawyers. These people have have families to support and pay cheques they get at the end of the day, to asume that all the money CCP gets goes to developing any of there games is foolish. Pull your head out of your ass. As for the continued argument on the PLEX issue, companies benifit from stuff like this all the time, most transit companies dont give back any change, if fare is $1.50 and you put in a $5 you just lost $3.50 in "unrendered services" anytime you buy a gift card and leave it sitting there with a few bucks left on it the company benifits because that money doesn't get spent and after a time disapears. "We encourage you to use the entire gift amount before the gift card expires. When your card expires, the funds are no longer available. The card and the underlying funds expire at the same time." can you believe it? you paid cash for a service and if you dont use it in the way it was intened you can lose the money?!?!?!?!?! UTHNIKABLE, how dare people try and make a few extra bucks on those who are to stupid to realize they're being taken advantage of? Dont people have honor?

ShadowandLight
Amarr
Cryptonym Sleepers
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.08.11 15:51:00 - [731]
 

Edited by: ShadowandLight on 11/08/2010 19:46:34
Originally by: Avius Rhinstien
UTHNIKABLE, how dare people try and make a few extra bucks on those who are to stupid to realize they're being taken advantage of? Dont people have honor?


Here we go...

Obviously EVE is very profitable. CCP has quite a large staff and is now developing 2 more games using that profit ( or cash from investors who will want a profit ) to fund these 2 new projects.

I dont think its unreasonable for the community to ask CCP to fix current issues before adding 100 new features with 50 new problems into the mix. They are going to get so deep in problems they will never catch up. New customers can sit out for a cycle ( 6 months ) while CCP dedicates to fixing the game.

But hey, The data does not support that Polished Features sells the game more then new features...

Avius Rhinstien
Posted - 2010.08.11 16:15:00 - [732]
 

Originally by: ShadowandLight

I dont think its unreasonable for the community to ask CCP to fix current issues


Your right it's not unreasonable but saying

"300k subscribers x $15 ( someones paying that either way ) is $4.5m a month.

And they cant fix sov bugs? Cant be asked to fix scanning colors?

Where in gods green earth are they spending 4.5m $$ a month?"

is not reasonably asking. Last time I checked insulting the game development team was not reasonably asking

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
Posted - 2010.08.11 16:20:00 - [733]
 

Originally by: Avius Rhinstien

"300k subscribers x $15 ( someones paying that either way ) is $4.5m a month.


They took their in house economists advice and invested in Icelandic banking a few years ago...

...the loan sharks need paying

EyeCeeYou
Posted - 2010.08.11 17:12:00 - [734]
 

Destructible PLEX actually protects the idiot who chose to haul PLEX by giving him/her something to bargain with.

"Let me go with 34 of them, and I'll give you 40 of these PLEX."

The attacker may be tempted to take the 40 in hand then risk having them all destroyed. Win-Win.

If PLEX were indestructible, there'd be no incentive to bargain.

Dasubervixen
Posted - 2010.08.11 17:38:00 - [735]
 

Part of me felt a little sorry for the person who lost 74 PLEX. But only a very small part of me and just for a nanosecond or so.

The majority of me almost died laughing. (in work no less) Only in EvE will you see this kind of thing happen. That's why its such a great game.

Good job CCP. :)

Pennwisedom
Gallente
Sublime.
Posted - 2010.08.11 17:58:00 - [736]
 

Think of all the money I am losing when I get podded with an un-updated clone. And the time I am losing, and it's literally the worst thing ever, they STOLE skill points from me, CCP literally stole them and I demand them back and free PLEX so I can move them in my Atron with my alpha clone.

Also, all gross income is net income, clearly.

Mella Elcus
Posted - 2010.08.11 19:47:00 - [737]
 

I really hope all these "pro indestructible plex guys" are trolls, because people can't really be that stupid... (oh wait, the killmail obviously proves you can).

Brb, I'm off buying a couple of hundred gift cards, burn them, and then contact some newspapers when the evil store won't refund them.

ShadowandLight
Amarr
Cryptonym Sleepers
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.08.11 20:14:00 - [738]
 

Originally by: Mella Elcus
I really hope all these "pro indestructible plex guys" are trolls, because people can't really be that stupid... (oh wait, the killmail obviously proves you can).

Brb, I'm off buying a couple of hundred gift cards, burn them, and then contact some newspapers when the evil store won't refund them.



Actually since most gift cards are tracked electronically by the store, most stores do allow you a new gift card if yours is lost or destroyed.

Just sayin...

Lady Elisax
Paragon Fury
Posted - 2010.08.11 22:03:00 - [739]
 

Originally by: ShadowandLight
Originally by: Mella Elcus
I really hope all these "pro indestructible plex guys" are trolls, because people can't really be that stupid... (oh wait, the killmail obviously proves you can).

Brb, I'm off buying a couple of hundred gift cards, burn them, and then contact some newspapers when the evil store won't refund them.



Actually since most gift cards are tracked electronically by the store, most stores do allow you a new gift card if yours is lost or destroyed.

Just sayin...


In America, not Eve... :\

Vexidious
Posted - 2010.08.11 22:13:00 - [740]
 

Originally by: Apollo Cochrane
I think that it's wrong that CCP should be allowed to basically get money for nothing. It's as simple as that. PLEX should be indestructible. Encase them in some new tripolymer alloy or whatever you got ta do, CCP! (Er, I mean CONCORD). Just make it so the PLEX doesn't simply disappear into CCP's bank account. (Yes I know the transaction with CCP ended when you hit 'Submit' on the credit card purchase screen, but you know what I mean).


And you were doing so well up until this point...

You see, you don't understand the situation. CCP did not get money for nothing. They got money for providing an in-game item to someone who may, or may not, have been the idiot pilot that undocked with the PLEX. You say that you understand this, but your assertion that CCP somehow got money for nothing shows this to be false.

This is no different than if someone bought PLEX, sold it, bought an expensive ship, and got it blown up.

A'Krien
Posted - 2010.08.11 23:18:00 - [741]
 

Originally by: Vexidious
Originally by: Apollo Cochrane
I think that it's wrong that CCP should be allowed to basically get money for nothing. It's as simple as that. PLEX should be indestructible. Encase them in some new tripolymer alloy or whatever you got ta do, CCP! (Er, I mean CONCORD). Just make it so the PLEX doesn't simply disappear into CCP's bank account. (Yes I know the transaction with CCP ended when you hit 'Submit' on the credit card purchase screen, but you know what I mean).


And you were doing so well up until this point...

You see, you don't understand the situation. CCP did not get money for nothing. They got money for providing an in-game item to someone who may, or may not, have been the idiot pilot that undocked with the PLEX. You say that you understand this, but your assertion that CCP somehow got money for nothing shows this to be false.

This is no different than if someone bought PLEX, sold it, bought an expensive ship, and got it blown up.



That isn't quite true. In your example, PLEX will still exist within the ecosystem of the game and will be claimed by SOMEONE eventually. In this case, PLEX was destroyed out of the game.

However, CCP didn't force anyone to take the PLEX out of station, especially under the condition the guy who lost all that PLEX was in. CCP provided the item as part of the transaction and was paid for it. If its new owner was stupid enough to lose it somehow, it's their business.

While PLEX being indestructible is a nice idea, so is leaving the PLEX in the station... Or actually have a proper escort if nothing else. If I was moving that many PLEX, I would have the entire Alliance or even the Corp watching my back while I move them.

Kelban Kevar
Gallente
Evocations of Shadow
Eternal Evocations
Posted - 2010.08.12 00:28:00 - [742]
 

nice moveable loosable plex's....guess thats ccp's anwser to falling subscriptions.if they cant get ya money one way they'll get it another

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.08.12 00:30:00 - [743]
 

The fact of the matter is that the plex system invented by CCP is the best thing going in the business today. It nerfs gold farmers hard and makes free to pay equal to pay to play. Ya'll just hatin on CCp's shine, so to speak.

IDieAlotInGateCamps
Posted - 2010.08.12 22:38:00 - [744]
 

It makes me a sad panda to see there's no more flame in this fire Crying or Very sad

Lord Xantoh
Posted - 2010.08.12 22:45:00 - [745]
 

Originally by: Corozan Aspinall

Wait till the press get a hold of this and watch the hysterical fall-out with concern ..Sad


Probably this is what CCP is betting on with such a ninja idea. ;)
More news (about gankable monkeys losing +1k$) = more subscribers

CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2010.08.19 14:20:00 - [746]
 

Edited by: CyberGh0st on 19/08/2010 14:21:23

Originally by: Kelban Kevar
nice moveable loosable plex's....guess thats ccp's anwser to falling subscriptions.if they cant get ya money one way they'll get it another


Funny thing is that last month subs update showed the biggest subs increase month over month in EVE history.

However I do expect a decline for this month, because it was an unusually high increase ( partly due to increased marketing efforts ), so people can indeed go scream "EVE is Dying !!!" again :p

That doesn't mean they should not fix the lag and put sound back to pre-Apocrypha quality tho.

Minchurra
Caldari
Posted - 2010.08.19 14:22:00 - [747]
 

One of my alliance mates just lost a plex to a gank.

I am ridiculing him as we speak, thank you for the oppertunity CCP. Smile

Glyken Touchon
Gallente
Independent Alchemists
Posted - 2010.08.19 16:00:00 - [748]
 

Edited by: Glyken Touchon on 19/08/2010 16:01:05
Here's a similar (hypothetical) in-game situation.

Pilot puts his PLEX in an anchored GSC, then the can expires after 30 days without being accessed.

edit: added "hypothetical"

Secret Menace
Posted - 2010.08.19 16:23:00 - [749]
 

I enjoy beign able to move plex around while trading .

It crazy that people will pay 10 million more in one station in a region than another (they could buy either immediately) even though they could activate either one just as easily without moving.

But thats how i've made a good part my trading fortune, giving the clients what they want where they want it at a price premium for my services.

Also, I believe some of you against destroyable plex are being rude. I see your guys point yet I don't think its the dominant argument. Couldn't you do the same for others in a similarly adult well adjusted mode? Accept that other rational people might see things differently ?


Do you go around telling people with different religions than you that they have their head up their butt and are just insane ? I'd hope you make allowance for other people to hold different views that you don't agree with or quite grasp.

Certainly there have been many rational points raised in the preceding pages. You don't need to agree with the overall take away but certainly you have the ablity to realize that there are some reasonably intelligent people who have a different matter and respect that they might hold a different opinion?

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2010.08.19 17:15:00 - [750]
 

Quote:
Do you go around telling people with different religions than you that they have their head up their butt and are just insane ? I'd hope you make allowance for other people to hold different views that you don't agree with or quite grasp.


Traditionally we just shoot them. Laughing


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