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David Grogan
Gallente
The Motley Crew Reborn
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2010.08.08 01:44:00 - [31]
 

they do crack down on macros

they endore hulkageddon every year.


what more do u want?

Ori Blake
Posted - 2010.08.08 02:59:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Tippia

Why would they respond to you?


You telling me someone deliberately ramming your ship away from rocks, trying to talk to you in local, and targeting you as a possible suicide gank is going to get no reaction?

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How do you know they are? Are you in-game 23/7, you botter you?


Go to an ice field over a number of days, logging on at different times. On your day off, log on at the morning. Next day log on at night. See how often you see the same faces at all periods of time.

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How would this stop the botters?


It's forcing you to type a password in, for all intents and purposes. Complex enough will make it hard to brute force with a bot. Same reason you need to capcha to register to places.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.08.08 03:12:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 08/08/2010 03:12:03
Originally by: Ori Blake
You telling me someone deliberately ramming your ship away from rocks, trying to talk to you in local, and targeting you as a possible suicide gank is going to get no reaction?
Yes. Why humour the guy who's obvious goal is to annoy you and get your attention?
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Go to an ice field over a number of days, logging on at different times. On your day off, log on at the morning. Next day log on at night. See how often you see the same faces at all periods of time.
…and how do you know he's not doing the same?
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It's forcing you to type a password in, for all intents and purposes. Complex enough will make it hard to brute force with a bot. Same reason you need to capcha to register to places.
Capchas are already being botted. The bot doesn't have to "brute force" it when it can just read it…

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2010.08.08 03:22:00 - [34]
 

I like the input a code idea

System changed to BHV-Y8
Myrmidon has Warp Disrupted your Stabber
Electron Blaster Deals 458 Dmg
Please insert this code 25BJFV7NRD99X to continue
Myrmidon has Warp Disrupted your pod

That will show those Macro's


Ori Blake
Posted - 2010.08.08 03:36:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Edited by: Tippia on 08/08/2010 03:12:03
Originally by: Ori Blake
You telling me someone deliberately ramming your ship away from rocks, trying to talk to you in local, and targeting you as a possible suicide gank is going to get no reaction?
Yes. Why humour the guy who's obvious goal is to annoy you and get your attention?
Quote:
Go to an ice field over a number of days, logging on at different times. On your day off, log on at the morning. Next day log on at night. See how often you see the same faces at all periods of time.
…and how do you know he's not doing the same?
Quote:
It's forcing you to type a password in, for all intents and purposes. Complex enough will make it hard to brute force with a bot. Same reason you need to capcha to register to places.
Capchas are already being botted. The bot doesn't have to "brute force" it when it can just read it…


1. Because there's a chance he might blow up your exhumer. Target him as a catalyst or arty thrasher. Also, anyone at the keys is going to make some kind of action: move to a different belt, reply back, something.

2. Because its hard to coincide. I'm talking just checking for a few minutes at different times in the day. The average person is not going to be on a lot of different times: work, classes, etc. Do it for a few days if you worry to screen accidents. Ask corp members to check too.

3. That's why they distort them, or put them in a gif, to prevent reading.

In any case, CCP will have tools and be able to watch accounts who is suspected of being a bot. Players simply cannot mine for 16-24 hours a day. Let them check to see if you doubt players ability to determine it, and let them deal with it.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.08.08 03:42:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 08/08/2010 03:45:21
Originally by: Ori Blake
1. Because there's a chance he might blow up your exhumer. Target him as a catalyst or arty thrasher. Also, anyone at the keys is going to make some kind of action: move to a different belt, reply back, something.
So you pretty much prove that you're a griefer out for attention… so why give it to you?
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3. That's why they distort them, or put them in a gif, to prevent reading.
OCR has that solved already.
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2. Because its hard to coincide.
Fair enough… but the basic problem remains: you can't know. The only solution to this is constant surveillance, at which point we run headlong into the key issue here…
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In any case, CCP will have tools and be able to watch accounts who is suspected of being a bot. Players simply cannot mine for 16-24 hours a day. Let them check to see if you doubt players ability to determine it, and let them deal with it.
…which is that this is already what's happening, and people aren't satisfied with it.

Johann Rascali
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.08.08 06:18:00 - [37]
 

I must admit, I did lol at the four pods in an ice field that were repeatedly docking then rewarping to the same point after a certain amount of time...for two hours straight.

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2010.08.08 06:27:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Johann Rascali
I must admit, I did lol at the four pods in an ice field that were repeatedly docking then rewarping to the same point after a certain amount of time...for two hours straight.


Leave Tippia's bots alone. Evil or Very Mad

Aera Aiana
Amarr
Posted - 2010.08.08 09:46:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Aera Aiana on 08/08/2010 09:47:50
I understand your frustration. As a legitimite miner you have to deal with prejudice ("it's a botter anyway, so let's blow em up") and low mineral prices resulting in the crappiest income you can get down to in EVE. But...

Originally by: Khavi Kitamatsu
Have a random code come up requesting the player input the code to verify they are present.


... that idea is more like an insult isn't it? So mining is crappy and instead of fixing it and adding some actual "game-experience" into it, you want them to go the easy way (again) and use a captcha check? WTF!?

The only way to fix mining is to make it interesting and to some degree challenging. Otherwise it will never be worth the time investment. Nothing easy ever is.

Aoshi Yamura
501st Skye Runners
Posted - 2010.08.08 11:40:00 - [40]
 

Only way I can think to "solve" macro-mining is to remove belts from hi-sec. Make "hi-sec minerals" like veldspar and scordite available on the market from NPC vendors.

All low-sec and null-sec belts stay the same.

You can imagine the uproar from such a change, considering most the playerbase resides in hi-sec.

BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2010.08.08 12:32:00 - [41]
 

What's botting? What's AFK, What's a miner?

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2010.08.08 12:35:00 - [42]
 

Who would we gank then :(

Giovanni DalleBandeNere
Two Brothers Mining Corp.
Posted - 2010.08.08 12:47:00 - [43]
 

bump bump bump, flip flip flip or also pop pop pop
if you and yr corpmates/friends start doin continuosly for some days, u'll see they'll move somwhere else..and there u have yr system to mine in ^_^
also 0.0 macro ratters can be noisy..but meh

btw is not that CCP did nothing against bots

cya

Ressiv
Massive PVPness
Posted - 2010.08.08 12:47:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Khavi Kitamatsu

Well if you cannot figure it out, then I cannot help you there. I've answered your questions. On top of that - until you start making sense...and actually contribute to the discussion...I'll not respond to your foolish post any longer.


You, Sir, are a moron.

If I dont respond to your whining if I'm a macro, there is nothing wrong with that. You have too much self importance.

Being able to check if someone is online 23/7 means you are as well... u a butter ? By your logic you are.

Having to type some verification string would not solve anything. The macro would get edited to do that as well.

The fact you fail to see how Tippia just said the exact same thing makes me wonder if you still play under adult supervision Rolling Eyes

Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
Posted - 2010.08.08 13:21:00 - [45]
 


Im a macrominer. heck. I must be. because:

1. I have a few times in my eve career had mining ops running for 15-18 hours..... Self mined ore is free, rite??? Razz
2. not answering hails from people. Reading, busy doing anything else during laser cycle or not caring about answering, not seeing hails in local etc.

Generalizations are the first failure to stopping them botters.


Malena VXXI
Amarr
Persia Capital Investments Group
Posted - 2010.08.08 13:42:00 - [46]
 

as a miner I realy feed up with people stating in local Im a macrominer and then bump my hulks.
O yeas I run more then 3 accounts mostly on the same time.Evil or Very Mad

O thats right I realy feed upp with the idea with I as a miner should have to put in a code during my mining to est Im a real player.Evil or Very Mad

I trying to play a game here. Evil or Very Mad

O for that matter alot of us miners 'those who make it possible for you to have a ship at all'
tend to have other stuff then talking to as we call griefers (macro intel so call macro hunters)
we sitt and chatt with friends in voice chatt with text chatt minimized.

Its called Ventrilo 'hint off'

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
Posted - 2010.08.08 14:23:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: Mr Epeen on 08/08/2010 14:23:51
There is a huge difference between ignoring dumb**** idiots out to harass you and running a bot program.

I fall in the first category. I have actually been reported for telling some asshat to leave me alone because I'm a macro. Think about the intelligence involved within that little pea brain. Most of the people posting in this thread are idiots and couldn't care less about botting. They just want to jump on the band wagon and pad their post count.

Mr Epeen Cool

Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
Posted - 2010.08.08 15:16:00 - [48]
 

As much as I hate cheating in games - which botting definitely is - a few facts:

1. There's not a single mmorpg game around without botters;
2. Afaik CCP has never ever banned macro miners solely for macro mining itself. They only ban you when you sell the profit for RL money;
3. How to prove someone's a botter/macro miner?
a) bumping doesn't mean anything. Every Hulk player doesn't watch their mining lasers yield ore for 15 minutes, at least I definitely don't. Everyone is afk or does other things on a 2nd account;
b) doesn't respond to convo: same thing. Next to that, some poeople may not speak english and the EULA doesn't say you have to answer every convo request;
c) 23/7: some people suffer from insomnia and can stay awake for weeks;

What CCP should do is making botting impossible by constantly changing some game mechanisms so the programs don't work.

Zeke Mobius
Posted - 2010.08.08 17:20:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Jennifer Fenring
What CCP should do is making botting impossible by constantly changing some game mechanisms so the programs don't work.


Now do you honestly believe that to ever be possible? I sure as hell don't.

stoicfaux
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.08 21:04:00 - [50]
 

What hasn't been macro'd in Eve? Find that and then see if it's possible to make a mining version of that.

For example, combat mission running might not be easily macroable. How would/could you make mining act enough like combat mission to prevent macroing? Maybe, introduce a chance for mining ship loss if you're not paying attention?


Also, why is it in CCP's (and probably most players') interests to eliminate macro-mining? Macro-miners bring in subscriber money for CCP and they keep mineral prices low, which means that ships and ship component prices are lower. I'm going to guess that ship combat and industry brings in more active subscribers than mining. It might actually be bad for Eve if macromining were to be completely eliminated?


Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium
Posted - 2010.08.08 22:03:00 - [51]
 

Stop whining and kill them you damn carebear.

Lord Orefinger
Posted - 2010.08.09 00:01:00 - [52]
 

The largest reason they can do this and ignore your attempts to contact them is because the game supports the ability to stop everybody from contacting you. If they remove this feature - and make the game client smaller and possibly faster as a result - then this problem goes away. People would still have to spend ISK to contact you of you have it turned on, and it does nothing to harm people not using scripts.

We already have systems in place to limit spam, etc.. and this is an MMO, so the key thing here being "multiple player".. so this feature seems to me to exist only to be abused or limit the fun of the game. So remove it.


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