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Tanmoe
Posted - 2010.08.03 15:58:00 - [1]
 

Hi,

I need to phrase it carefully or I'll get eaten alive for asking stuff ppl won't answer ... I'm starting to understand how u guys are functioning ;)

I'm trying to do my "homework" and do my research before I invest the bulk of my isk in trading.

What I'm trying to figure out atm is volume. Volume of "item" traded (per day/week...) for a given station.

Do you guys know any tool/app out there that would give me that info. Eve-markets show volume but no granularity (that I've seen) where the volume is shifting.

The Eve-Api doesn't seem to have any of that either.

I know it almost look that this question should be on the dev forums, but maybe u guys have that in a bag somewhere and would consider sharing the knowledge.

I hope this doesn't sounds like I'm asking you to hand me the knife to stab u in the back...

Thanks for reading.
T.

Mazen Alane
Posted - 2010.08.03 16:07:00 - [2]
 

The only information you get is number of trades and total moved amount, that's it and there is no other "trade" information.

eve-central though tries to actually extract real trades from the uploaded market logs as far as I know but honestly I wouldn't count too much on it.


Zenon Mu
Advanced Assemblies and Sciences
Posted - 2010.08.03 16:14:00 - [3]
 

The only thing I know of that comes close to what you describe is eve-metrics "Trading" tab. It shows the last 25 inferred trades, so you have to check it quite regularly. Eve-metrics has the most reliable market data, imo. It won't show you specific stations though, only the last 25 trades universe wide and only if there's been an upload for that region.

What you want is, considering the amount of systems/stations/orders, actually a very fine granularity of data.

Mazen Alane
Posted - 2010.08.03 16:15:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Mazen Alane

eve-central though tries to actually extract real trades from the uploaded market logs as far as I know but honestly I wouldn't count too much on it.




geez, i keep confusing eve-central from eve-metrics, I actually meant e-m

Victor Michaelle
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.03 18:47:00 - [5]
 

You can see the number of daily transactions on an item in a given region in the ingame market graph (one of the tabs in "show market details). No such thing for individual stations though.

As said, it counts the transactions, so if an item is bought and resold it will count twice. This transaction volume is the little green pillars on the bottom of the graph window.

Aurum Bellator
Posted - 2010.08.03 19:00:00 - [6]
 

In my experience, you are better off taking your own notes. You can figure out a rough estimate for volume by station just by watching the station's orders; easiest way to do this is plant an alt in the region you are looking to scope out and sort the market orders by jump range.

Those tools like Eve-Metrics and Eve-Central while nice, don't give you an accurate picture of the market. Usually it is lagged by a day or so, what I've found.

AUB

Maggie Dezno
Posted - 2010.08.03 19:00:00 - [7]
 

probably a really dumb question -- the graphs in the market history window show only completed transactions, right?
is that the same for eve-metrics?


Victor Michaelle
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.03 19:11:00 - [8]
 

Yes on the first question.

I've never used eve-metrics.

Xre Vega
Posted - 2010.08.03 20:16:00 - [9]
 

Quote:
probably a really dumb question -- the graphs in the market history window show only completed transactions, right?


I think by definition a transaction is completed :P. However as mentioned above if an item is bought, then sold, it counts twice. Also, you can't infer what % was buy orders being filled or sell orders being sold. At least this is my understanding.

Ix Forres
Caldari
Righteous Chaps
Posted - 2010.08.10 17:25:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Aurum Bellator
In my experience, you are better off taking your own notes. You can figure out a rough estimate for volume by station just by watching the station's orders; easiest way to do this is plant an alt in the region you are looking to scope out and sort the market orders by jump range.

Those tools like Eve-Metrics and Eve-Central while nice, don't give you an accurate picture of the market. Usually it is lagged by a day or so, what I've found.

AUB


Just to note; if you install the EVE Metrics/EVE Central uploaders (EVE Metrics is syndicated by EVE Central, so if you upload to EM, EC also gets it), you can update the site in practically real time - we take around a second for new uploads to be incorporated into the site and APIs, and we never show stale data. So if you want the sites to be up to date, install the uploader (Linkage) and it could make your life a whole lot easier. On most items a day or so of lag's about right - the market history data _has_ to be a day behind because of how it works on CCP's end, since that's data generated by CCP and syndicated by us - orders are updated as often as they're uploaded.

Halborn
Celtic Technologies Inc.
Posted - 2010.08.10 17:58:00 - [11]
 

the best tip I have is place a small order on the market before you invest in bulk.

If the order shifts quite quick then you know it has good movement and so you can invest more bulk.
If it takes a while to shift it then you know its got low movement and you can invest and wait or choose another item.

Hope that helps


 

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