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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente
SUECHTLER Inc.
Saints Amongst Sinners
Posted - 2010.08.03 09:29:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: ThaMa Gebir on 03/08/2010 10:09:53
I have decided to see if this thread can help at all.
This is not an official thread but if done right I hope it helps CCP to prioritise properly. If indeed CCP want an option to help damage control for the recent happenings then help them.

So to the votes. One thing can be chosen only per person per post. So no trolling, smacking or anything of the sort please Ladies and gents.
If you could have one thing fixed in a short time what would it be?

1. Rockets.

2. Blasters. (Hybrids, after looking at the general opinions)

3. Fleet fight problems. (Actually forget this, it will not be an easy fix or short... but I will keep it here as a priority reminder)



Help us to help CCP.

It is the only way to be sure.


EDIT: Clarification/improvements.

Cebraio
Posted - 2010.08.03 09:31:00 - [2]
 

2. Blasters

And you forgot all the things that ARE actually on CCPs priority list, so this won't help them at all. (Either way they wouldn't care for your thread.)

Xavier Veridis
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2010.08.03 09:43:00 - [3]
 

Great idea! I'm going to go...

  1. Incarna

  2. DUST514


Battlingbean
Heaven's Gate
Posted - 2010.08.03 09:48:00 - [4]
 

2. Hybrid weapons

TheLordofAllandNothing
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.08.03 10:05:00 - [5]
 

As the fleet fight problems are a result of a 2 expansion cluster**** that can't be fixed in short order even if ccp pulls their head out of their own ass, but it'd be nice to see them actually do what the players want.

Short term though, 2. hybrids as they are terrible.

ThaMa Gebir
Gallente
SUECHTLER Inc.
Saints Amongst Sinners
Posted - 2010.08.03 10:07:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Cebraio
2. Blasters

And you forgot all the things that ARE actually on CCPs priority list, so this won't help them at all. (Either way they wouldn't care for your thread.)


Good enough point I suppose.

But I figured that maybe if CCP did something like this then maybe they could show that they are willing and able to listen to their customers...

Hari Markkus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.08.03 10:36:00 - [7]
 

If rockets and blasters are broken wouldn't it be much easier to nerf auto-cannons and pulse-lasers to match them?

Personally I would like to see CCP put more effort into finding and banning macro users. I can work round most of the lag and balance issues but I can't defeat the cheaters without CCP's help.

ThisIsNotMyAlt
Posted - 2010.08.03 10:57:00 - [8]
 

  • Incarna. Can`t wait. Glad it is a high priority now.


Ibn Minion
Posted - 2010.08.03 11:02:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: ThisIsNotMyAlt
  • Incarna. Can`t wait. Glad it is a high priority now.




You have to see the positive in Incarna! That way when the nodes die while you're in a station and get a black screen, ISD can report the news as a power outage in the stations due to the spacial anomalies in the system! Laughing

The lights were out, that's why it was all black! Twisted Evil

ThisIsNotMyAlt
Posted - 2010.08.03 11:10:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Ibn Minion
Originally by: ThisIsNotMyAlt
  • Incarna. Can`t wait. Glad it is a high priority now.




You have to see the positive in Incarna! That way when the nodes die while you're in a station and get a black screen, ISD can report the news as a power outage in the stations due to the spacial anomalies in the system! Laughing

The lights were out, that's why it was all black! Twisted Evil


I see alot of positive in Incarna. I am waiting for this to finally come to life since it was initially announced 2007.
As for crashing nodes, personally i didnt have a node crash for months. The ISD, i think they do a great job.
Unlike the CSM they have a defined purpose that actually provide content that CCP could not provide themselves without hiring people to do it.
I read all the little ISD crafted stories and i like them.

Mihali
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.03 11:10:00 - [11]
 

1. When will you "Fix rockets" people learn to read, especially the in-game description.

"A tiny launcher that can carry a very limited supply of rockets. Not really intended as a primary weapon but rather as a cheap supplementary weapon system."

Tell them to change the ship to give a bonus to a primary weapons system.

2 & 3 I agree.

ThaMa Gebir
Gallente
SUECHTLER Inc.
Saints Amongst Sinners
Posted - 2010.08.03 11:48:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Mihali
1. When will you "Fix rockets" people learn to read, especially the in-game description.

"A tiny launcher that can carry a very limited supply of rockets. Not really intended as a primary weapon but rather as a cheap supplementary weapon system."

Tell them to change the ship to give a bonus to a primary weapons system.

2 & 3 I agree.


The reason most people say that rockets need to be fixed is since CCP made rockets (i.e. gave ships bonus to rockets...) a primary weapons system...

Aodha Khan
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.08.03 11:53:00 - [13]
 

1. Add the other pirate faction epic arcs that are missing.
2. Expand faction warfare into pirate factions.
3. Add back the pirate faction station graphics that were removed 4 years ago.

OK, I just couldnt pick any of yours and Im greedy so had to choose 3 of my own. Twisted Evil

Dzajic
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.03 12:27:00 - [14]
 

To all the lovely trolls going "Incarna, Dust FTW!" Stop please, its not funny and some idiot marketing person might read it and say "look, the playerbase really wants them".

EVE has been dying for last 7 years, it is very likely that in next 2 years it will finally die. There is a difference in telling "EVE is dying" at any change or some of CCPs :lolbalance: attempts. But game is abandoned and has a minuscule amount of developers to it, that have to work on next expansion, bugs and balance. And all we know is that there are no resources to allocate for next 18 months, for all we know after those 18 months CCP might as well shutdown EVE completely and use servers for WOD.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2010.08.03 12:33:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 03/08/2010 12:57:40


Voting threads not allowed

Boundless Faith
Posted - 2010.08.03 12:33:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Dzajic


EVE has been dying for last 7 years.

And ten years from now you will say "EVE has been dying for the last 17 years".

Neliel Soifon
Posted - 2010.08.03 12:34:00 - [17]
 

Hybrids, definitely hybrids.

Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see
Chained Reactions
Posted - 2010.08.03 12:35:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Karak Terrel on 03/08/2010 12:36:20
1. Incarna
2. A way to nuke stuff on planets
3. T3 frigates

And because they are more than a one man company they fix lag while implementing this new stuff.

DigiFusion
Posted - 2010.08.03 12:36:00 - [19]
 

Your priorities are not and never will be CCP's, the bottom line is money.

Rockets and Blasters do nothing to bring money in, you can't show it to the ivory tower with nice graphs so why would they bother doing it?

ThaMa Gebir
Gallente
SUECHTLER Inc.
Saints Amongst Sinners
Posted - 2010.08.03 12:56:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: DigiFusion
Your priorities are not and never will be CCP's, the bottom line is money.

Rockets and Blasters do nothing to bring money in, you can't show it to the ivory tower with nice graphs so why would they bother doing it?


I agree that these do nothing to bring money in... unless you consider some players leaving because for so long these (among 1000's of other things) have been broken... which means actually less money coming in...

Minute flaw in your logic.

The main reason is I wanted to gauge the playerbase and see if a number of posts say the same thing or if it is just a whinefest. If a whinefest then I will forget it, but if it goes the other way then CCP actually have something to worry about.

Another part of it is, that if CCP actually fix something small and correctly they can be seen to be working on the problems and actually maybe regain some form of confidence from the playerbase. Basically those paying the bills. Their wages. THEIR LIVING.

Am I wrong for wanting this?

Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
Posted - 2010.08.03 13:31:00 - [21]
 


1. Incarna!
2-1.000 Anything else
1001. Fleet bugs
1002. Rockets




Legs Mackenzie
Posted - 2010.08.03 13:37:00 - [22]
 

More new features, please! Very Happy

kurg
Posted - 2010.08.03 13:39:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Xavier Veridis
Great idea! I'm going to go...

  1. Incarna

  2. DUST514




This.

Deva Blackfire
Viziam
Posted - 2010.08.03 13:46:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: ThaMa Gebir
Edited by: ThaMa Gebir on 03/08/2010 10:09:53
I have decided to see if this thread can help at all.
This is not an official thread but if done right I hope it helps CCP to prioritise properly. If indeed CCP want an option to help damage control for the recent happenings then help them.

So to the votes. One thing can be chosen only per person per post. So no trolling, smacking or anything of the sort please Ladies and gents.
If you could have one thing fixed in a short time what would it be?

1. Rockets.

2. Blasters. (Hybrids, after looking at the general opinions)

3. Fleet fight problems. (Actually forget this, it will not be an easy fix or short... but I will keep it here as a priority reminder)



Help us to help CCP.

It is the only way to be sure.


EDIT: Clarification/improvements.


You dont understand the issue at all do you?

Its not about "fix rockets" or "fix whatever". Its about forgetting to iterate on ****loads of stuff that was created and abandoned ages ago. Rockets? Even tho im postin g in rocket fix thread for 1,5 year now i dont give **** about them if they get fixed in 2 months or 15 months. Its about fixing EVERYTHING that still sits in the que since the day it was created: COSMOS, t3, FW, pos support, storefronts, sov changes/upgrades etc. And you cant really select one above the others because ALL OF THEM were abandoned. And yes - blaster fix or rocket fix is just a drop in the ocean.

ThaMa Gebir
Gallente
SUECHTLER Inc.
Saints Amongst Sinners
Posted - 2010.08.03 13:48:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: ThaMa Gebir on 03/08/2010 13:55:17
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker

1. Incarna!
2-1.000 Anything else
1001. Fleet bugs
1002. Rockets






You are just saying that to be spiteful to the whiners right? LaughingLaughing

On a serious note and only my opinion, I really hope Incarna comes out as CCP plan. I am looking forward to it really. I cannot wait to see how it all comes together.

But I also hope against hope it is worth all this flak that CCP are getting for telling the truth.
If anything I would rather help CCP in anyway I can.

Personally rockets don't affect me, blasters are fine in the situations I use them in. But I would like to see the improvements go through as soon as time can be found.

However I know there are a lot of problems that a lot of players have with various things, and I believe all of it coming together at once has caused a massive flash in the pan. (Maybe a nuke judging by the forums but meh).

CCP, you have my support in any way I can.

Quote:
You dont understand the issue at all do you?

Its not about "fix rockets" or "fix whatever". Its about forgetting to iterate on ****loads of stuff that was created and abandoned ages ago. Rockets? Even tho im postin g in rocket fix thread for 1,5 year now i dont give **** about them if they get fixed in 2 months or 15 months. Its about fixing EVERYTHING that still sits in the que since the day it was created: COSMOS, t3, FW, pos support, storefronts, sov changes/upgrades etc. And you cant really select one above the others because ALL OF THEM were abandoned. And yes - blaster fix or rocket fix is just a drop in the ocean.


I have a better idea of the situation than you or even I give myself credit for.

Thing is I was trying to see if there was a way or means that CCP could be seen to do something, anything for the players. Regardless of what it is. And if rockets are the easiest quick fix taking no longer than a coffee break of time then I would hope they do it.
While I will not profain to know how a database like eve is like or how balancing issues involved work I will say that looking around it seems most variables have been taking care of by the playerbase and it seems as if it would be simple.

As it stands it seems nothing will be done for the current playerbase right now, or even in the near future considering current problems.
This seems to need to change.

Also, please read my other posts before saying I have no idea what I am talking about Deva.
I try to do the same out of respect for others.

Xroxreariad Ramatarapap
Posted - 2010.08.03 14:05:00 - [26]
 

Where is "none of the above" option in your poll?

Deva Blackfire
Viziam
Posted - 2010.08.03 14:06:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: ThaMa Gebir

I have a better idea of the situation than you or even I give myself credit for.



First you post this, then this:

Quote:

Thing is I was trying to see if there was a way or means that CCP could be seen to do something, anything for the players. Regardless of what it is. And if rockets are the easiest quick fix taking no longer than a coffee break of time then I would hope they do it.
While I will not profain to know how a database like eve is like or how balancing issues involved work I will say that looking around it seems most variables have been taking care of by the playerbase and it seems as if it would be simple.



Fact is: if they could do the fix during coffe break they would have done it 1,5 year ago. Tho hilriously the amount of data that needs to be changed fits within "cofee break fix" timeframe.

Quote:
As it stands it seems nothing will be done for the current playerbase right now, or even in the near future considering current problems.
This seems to need to change.


CCP is not ignoring the problems because of "current issues" but because they follow some stupid timetable they set. Thats also the primary reason why most of the stuff isnt finished in 1st place - CCP wants to put 2 expansions a year and then they find themselves running out of time to polish them/iterate on previous expansions. Thats the root of the problem in a nutshell.

Also do you believe that if they fix say rockets, players will say "thats cool, everything works now"? I really doubt it.

Nuadi
Posted - 2010.08.03 14:13:00 - [28]
 

1) Ignore feature in forums

2) Mining Barges/Exhumers with launcher hardpoints

3) Ship indicators on star system map.

ThaMa Gebir
Gallente
SUECHTLER Inc.
Saints Amongst Sinners
Posted - 2010.08.03 14:22:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: ThaMa Gebir on 03/08/2010 14:22:28
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: ThaMa Gebir

I have a better idea of the situation than you or even I give myself credit for.



First you post this, then this:

Quote:

Thing is I was trying to see if there was a way or means that CCP could be seen to do something, anything for the players. Regardless of what it is. And if rockets are the easiest quick fix taking no longer than a coffee break of time then I would hope they do it.
While I will not profain to know how a database like eve is like or how balancing issues involved work I will say that looking around it seems most variables have been taking care of by the playerbase and it seems as if it would be simple.



Fact is: if they could do the fix during coffe break they would have done it 1,5 year ago. Tho hilriously the amount of data that needs to be changed fits within "cofee break fix" timeframe.

Quote:
As it stands it seems nothing will be done for the current playerbase right now, or even in the near future considering current problems.
This seems to need to change.


CCP is not ignoring the problems because of "current issues" but because they follow some stupid timetable they set. Thats also the primary reason why most of the stuff isnt finished in 1st place - CCP wants to put 2 expansions a year and then they find themselves running out of time to polish them/iterate on previous expansions. Thats the root of the problem in a nutshell.

Also do you believe that if they fix say rockets, players will say "thats cool, everything works now"? I really doubt it.



Believe me, I know very how fickle the playerbase is. I have seen it since I started the game.
I know for a fact that if done in "X" time then the playerbase will not say it all works.
However they will see that CCP is trying to come to meet them in some kind of middle ground, at the players request I might add, however little it is it would be an improvement over the current situation.

That is more the crux of the problem, it feels to most players as if CCP are not listening/haven't listened/ will not listen to them, and ignored players are unhappy players.

Is that not the point you are trying to get accross?


Wacktopia
Sicarius.
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2010.08.03 14:23:00 - [30]
 

1. Hybrid weapons
2. Rockets
3. Killmail
4. Cap mis-reporting
5. The lag monster

We all know what they are... why the poll?


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