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Marukesh
Posted - 2010.07.30 05:10:00 - [1]
 

Ive read many posts where everyone says the Legion is the worst t3 cruiser, but no one has said why. What makes this sub par to the loki/tengu?

thanks

knentil
Posted - 2010.07.30 05:45:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: knentil on 30/07/2010 05:46:09
Edited by: knentil on 30/07/2010 05:45:39
I really can't answer your question,

But I will say this.

I see alot less Loki's in comparison to the buckets of tengu's and legions I see. And a smatering here and there proteus.

Come to think of it, Ive never seen a loki in my short eve playing time. :/

Direstorm
Posted - 2010.07.30 05:52:00 - [3]
 

Tengu is very similar to a drake on steroids, and you see a lot of Tengu's both PVP and PVE for the same reason you see lots of drakes: Tengu can fit a massive tank, which is shield-based, meaning you don't sacrifice speed for it.

Next in line as far as T3 ships go is the Proteus. Where the Tengu has the best survivability, Proteus has arguably the best T3 damage, with a typical massive T3 tank meaning it can go toe-to-toe with heavy hitters and come out on top.

After Proteus, you get Legion. Basically anything the Legion can do, the Proteus does to a greater extreme. Tank? Legion has a very solid double or even triple repper armor tank, which makes it great for WH's, and it's got great cap to run those reppers for a good while, but the Proteus has a better buffer tank, which means Proteus will live longer in PVP. Legion sniper is out-sniped by Tengu and Legion point-blank is out-damaged by the Proteus. Its other roles can be filled just as well or better by a T2 cruiser.

Loki, I really shouldn't answer until some time after I train minmatar frigate 1, but Loki is like Legion, only moreso. Or so I hear.

phantomshura
Caldari
Posted - 2010.07.30 06:10:00 - [4]
 

legion compared to the others its just crap, its barely better than a zealot. for pvp the best are proteus/loki and pvp just tengu, proteus fail at pve, its a minipwnmobile for small gang/solo and dont know about loki's pve but loki is fuc** awesome in pvpYARRRR!!. tengu is the best for pve but for pvp its not that good because most fleet armor tank and it need to switch tank for tackle.

Kail Storm
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.07.30 07:52:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: phantomshura
l tengu is the best for pve but for pvp its not that good because most fleet armor tank and it need to switch tank for tackle.


This is wrong in so many ways.
First off most PVP even in major alliances tends to be smallish gangs which in the case of gatecamps etc is alot of times BC`s, this means its not always Armored in fact as a general rule Arm is worse than Shields in small gang PVP.

And the Comment about losing Tank because Tackle is huge amounts of $H!T. Not only can you make a 7 Mid slot Tengu very viably but your average 6 mid slot Tengu is just like Drake and we all know its not lacking in the Tank area. 90k EHP out of a 585 [email protected] ship with the sig and speed of a Moa is not a good tank???? Thats with a Web, MWD , Scram.

The Myth about the Tengu not good in PVP is a very bad one, its scary to face one in PVP when its properly buffer/ DPS fitted.

Tengu=Missle Speed and 3/4 range of Cerberus, Tank of Onyx , Agility and Speed of Navy Osprey and DPS of Almost a CNR=WIN SAUCE.

This is part of the reason Legion gets overshadowed its not a horrible ship as much as Amarr guys are used of dominating PVP

-Best RR BS in Geddon Price vs DPS vs Range vs Slot layout
-Best Solo/Supported Fleet BS in Abby
-Best allround Sniper BS
-Best Sniper Hac
-Best Fleet Carrier Local Tank vs Repping vs DPS
-Best all round Dread esp in lag fests since you never have to reload.
-Best Mom IMO since its tank is 40% more than Nyx
-Great Command Ship
-Great Recons in Curse/Pilgrim
-Best T2 AMmo in Scorch

Each race has its own best`s but Amarrs are pure PWN for Fleets and they are def kings of Buffer Armor tanking and that is whats most effective in the game now, so it makes all these ships not only the best but very viable a well, Thus used very often.

So when you add up the great ships you would think the Legion be at least 2 or 1 but its not its decent at most roles but not the best in most like Tengu and sometimes Prot.

Daneel Trevize
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.30 11:15:00 - [6]
 

Legions rock for soloing wormholes. Proteus would suck for these due to blasters range & mwd sig, or rails dps and need for drones.
Loki seems good, Tengu I presume struggles to apply dps to fast webbing frigs & cruisers.

The trouble with the legion for PvP would be no drones, very crap dps if cloaky, and a few too many mids compared to lows, especially compared to the Prot, and bad ewar config. But again Mr bonused point blaster boat needs to get in your face whereas the Legion is almost the same bonuses to range etc as a Zealot, which I hear is pretty damn good as HACs go (not that I've found any I like).

AFAIK Tengu active tank is the best, Prot is the best buffer, Loki is a bit like a rapier/vaga thing with speed, bonused webs, usual projectiles +s. Legion has a decent speedtank, decent range, decent buffer/reps and dps, but just not the best at any. And again, no drones, no decent ewar bonus.

Kaileen Starsong
Amarr
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.07.30 12:04:00 - [7]
 

Legion is bad because(PvP-wise):

1) You can make a somewhat better Zealot of it, but it's not good enough to warrant getting Legion
2) You can't fit mwd+1600mm+HP setup on it (/cry) Hence it can't do something like Proteus, i.e. buffer and DPS
3) You can fit nuts buffer with HAMs, but then it handles like a brick and doesn't do stellar DPS either
4) Has no proper utility subsystem, Neut one is lolhorribad, same goes for drone one(compare that to point range on Proteus and web range on Lolki)

That said, it's good ship for 2-3 men gangs, just not much people run those with T3 ships.

Ap0ll0n
Gallente
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.30 13:24:00 - [8]
 

Basically, the Legion is a better Zealot, and it is awesome for armor hac fleets. None of the other T3's comes even close to the Legion in those fleets.

brother stud
The Vanir Federation
Posted - 2010.07.30 13:37:00 - [9]
 

What makes the legion bad is the pilots, it's very awkward to fit compared to the other 3 T3's

Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2010.07.30 13:41:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: brother stud
What makes the legion bad is the pilots, it's very awkward to fit compared to the other 3 T3's


As opposed to the Loki, which is very easy to fit for nearly any role: logi, fleet boosting, DPS, scanning, tackling, tank (weaker though it is, you can still get some great numbers with the right setup)

Considering Amarr has good ships in general, it is a little ironic that their T3 is the worst one... too much of a good thing can be bad after all hehe


 

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