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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
Posted - 2010.07.30 13:57:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Xereyn
So we know it's Coming Soon (tm).

The question I haven't seen an answer to yet is: What does it *do*?

"Walking in stations," yeah, I got it.

But why? What are we supposed to do in stations? And do we have to?



You know some pilots are around for 7 years and they really really REALLY need a shower.

VanNostrum
Posted - 2010.07.30 14:10:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Xereyn

"Walking in stations," yeah, I got it.

But why? What are we supposed to do in stations? And do we have to?



put on dance macro in auction house station market

Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.07.30 14:27:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Xereyn
So we know it's Coming Soon (tm).

The question I haven't seen an answer to yet is: What does it *do*?



It tests the engine they're going to use for their next MMO.

Sarina Berghil
Minmatar
New Zion Judge Advocate
Yulai Federation
Posted - 2010.07.30 15:10:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Jennifer Fenring
Originally by: Sarina Berghil
We wont really be able to 'bond' with those avatars unless they actually do stuff, real stuff integral to gameplay.

I agree that the lack of association with human avatars in Eve is a weakness in terms of immersion. I think it takes a lot more than slapping a 3D environment on top though. Whether or not CCP can do that has yet to be seen.

Most talk about Incarna has been the technical side, thats the easy part. How they intend to integrate it with Eve is something we heard very little about. I don't think bars, clothing and virtual poker will accomplish much.

We need to actually be forced to walk around with those avatars if they are to have any major significance. The more optional it gets, the less purpose it serves.

I'm sure it can be done, Im not so sure CCP is willing to do what it takes.

Well what is immersive for one person may not be for another. In one of the demos they showed that offices can be rented and players may gather there. For me, just hanging around in the corp office and talk things through already adds to the immersion. Seeing "people" in 3D instead of an avatar also adds to the richness of my gameplay. Being able to change clothes and look how you want to look, personally I see myself as a person and not as my ship.

Other people only want to kill other people or they find it all useless and a waste of time.


Oh I very much agree on that. Very often when MMOs feel 'alive' its due to random, unscripted life. Talking with corp mates in the office would add a lot of immersion I think.

But I doubt those random moments would happen much unless there are other more specific purposes.
MMOs with avatars generally struggle a lot with demographics and how to keep areas alive. People simply don't meet in places unless they absolutely need to be there for some reason. But if they need to be there all sorts of other stuff happens.

A bar wont make any kind of life, a 'physical' market interface that people need to walk to would make people hang out at the nearby airlock.

Stella Vanerljik
Posted - 2010.07.30 15:17:00 - [35]
 

I hope this stuff is optional and people are not bothered searching the station for the market place just to buy some ammo, or renew insurance, repair drones and stuff...

Jovialmadness
Posted - 2010.07.30 17:47:00 - [36]
 

*sighs heavily*

Stealth fix lag thread.

It cant ever be fixed. CCP makes 1000 man fleet fights happen we will do 1500 man fights and show up here screaming, *****ing and whining.



It cant ever be fixed. CCP makes 1500 man fleet fights happen we will do 2000 man fights and show up here screaming, *****ing and whining.



It cant ever be fixed. CCP makes 2000 man fleet fights happen we will do 2500 man fights and show up here screaming, *****ing and whining.




It cant ever be fixed. CCP makes 2500 man fleet fights happen we will do 3000 man fights and show up here screaming, *****ing and whining.




It cant ever be fixed. CCP makes 3000 man fleet fights happen we will do 3500 man fights and show up here screaming, *****ing and whining.




It cant ever be fixed. CCP makes 3500 man fleet fights happen we will do 4000 man fights and show up here screaming, *****ing and whining.


Btw, you dont have to walk in stations if you dont want to.

Btw, ccp adding those developers to fix lag? Look at what i just smacked you over the head with.

Still dont get it?


Neliel Soifon
Posted - 2010.07.30 17:54:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Neliel Soifon on 30/07/2010 17:54:53
Originally by: Xereyn
So we know it's Coming Soon (tm).

The question I haven't seen an answer to yet is: What does it *do*?

"Walking in stations," yeah, I got it.

But why? What are we supposed to do in stations? And do we have to?

I don't want to walk around in stations. I have a space ship. I like my space ship. I want to fly it around. Stations are for doing things in that are for the benefit of my space ship. I want to stay with my space ship.

If I wanted to play Let's Walk Around And Stuff, I'd be playing another game. I own a bunch of games that involve walking around and doing various things. I play *this* game because I want to fly around in a space ship doing space ship things.

I fear Incarna. I fear it making me not want to play this game any more - in contrast to a friend of mine, for whom Incarna might make him want to start. I'm not saying Incarna is a threat to the subscription base, I'm saying Incarna worries me and makes me sad.

Do we know what it's actually *about*?


I'm sure you are one of those people who will give it a try sooner or later and will enjoy it.

Anyway:

You like it: you use it.
You don't like it: you don't use it and the game as you now know it will not change at all.

Why complain?

Magnus Orin
Minmatar
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.07.30 18:03:00 - [38]
 

Knowing CCP's new policy on new content vs polish, Incarna will be as shallow as PI.

Absolutely not looking forward to it.

stoicfaux
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.30 18:53:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Neliel Soifon
Why complain?


Opportunity cost. Would you rather have new clothing textures or new ship skins? Would you rather have a new GUI for WiS or updates to the existing ship GUI? Would you rather have devs optimizing FPS frame rates or fixing Fleet lag?

It's like the whole in-game browser, jukebox, calculator, etc. apps. If you run in windowed mode, you have access to 3rd party web browsers, mp3 players, calculators (aka spreadsheets,) etc., which are better than the in-game ones. Why "waste" time creating a poor in-game copy of existing 3rd party apps?

B1FF
Posted - 2010.07.30 19:00:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Pesky LaRue
socialise and enjoy the added depth it brings, and no, you don't have to.


Really? Really? Next time you log in look at the people you're talking with.

Then answer these simple questions.

Are you docked?
Are they docked?
Are you both docked at the same place?

If the answer to any of these is no then you will not be using Ambulation to solcialize.

With the current social tools in EvE you can do _anything_ and socialize. With Ambulation you can do _nothing_ but socialize.

Florio
Miniature Giant Space Hamsters
Posted - 2010.07.30 19:05:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: stoicfaux
Would you rather have new clothing textures or new ship skins? Would you rather have a new GUI for WiS or updates to the existing ship GUI? Would you rather have devs optimizing FPS frame rates or fixing Fleet lag?

For any of those things on your wish list to matter, EVE has to continue as an ongoing virtual world. To do that CCP has no option but to do its best to increase subscriber numbers. If it fails to do this CCP won't get new funding, won't get old funding renewed, and will get a net fall in subscription numbers. It is vital to secure new subscriptions as otherwise EVE really will die (TM).

With CCP having limited resources, and with the success of incarna being pretty damn vital to EVE's long-term success, I for one am pleased that CCP are allocating pretty much everything to incarna. I've been in plenty of fleet fights. Lag makes them suck donkey balls. But you gotta see the bigger picture.

mechtech
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2010.07.30 19:27:00 - [42]
 

Gambling and poker, bars, that really cool tabletop war game CCP showed us at fanfest, real corp meetings with people instead of tiny icons in chat channels, expanded roleplay/story possibilities, more stuff to spend my isk on which is good for the economy (clothes, shop blueprints, furniture, NPC rent, ect), shops with programmable NPCs that are far more robust that contracts, and generally cool moments like everyone meeting up to spectate the alliance tournament together while brokers take bets (can you imagine the Impoc going down in a station with eve-voice?).

Those are some of the things I'm looking forward to :)

Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
Posted - 2010.07.30 19:33:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Syn Callibri on 30/07/2010 19:34:31
...and the biggest benifit from In-carnal...CYBER-SECKS!

...oh god, did I just say that? *sigh* Neutral

(please note the sarcasm)Wink

...you know they will.



SupaKudoRio
Posted - 2010.07.30 19:35:00 - [44]
 

Be honest now, when Incarna really does come, hands up those who are going to walk around Jita 4-4 naked. Laughing
*raises hand*

B1FF
Posted - 2010.07.30 19:41:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: mechtech
Gambling and poker, that really cool tabletop war game CCP showed us at fanfest,


None of this requires ambulation. Why exclude, traders, miners, haulers, campers, mission runners from these things? Won't all of these features be better if they're accessable from anywhere rather than requiring you to travel somewhere and stop playing them to use?

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real corp meetings with people instead of tiny icons in chat channels,


Yes it's novel but after the first time are you really going to want to? Remember right now you can take part in that corp meeting and do _anything_ you want. With ambulation you have to stop doing what you're doing, travel somewhere, and then sit there only able to listen. That's a nerf not a buff. Sure fun the first time then utter *****.

Quote:
expanded roleplay/story possibilities,


The last 30+ years of roleplaying games directly counters this point.

Quote:
more stuff to spend my isk on which is good for the economy (clothes, shop blueprints, furniture, NPC rent, ect), shops with programmable NPCs that are far more robust that contracts,


None of this requires ambulation. Some of this has never been mentioned and is pure fiction created by the author. This is the prime example of the problem with ambulation. People apply this wishful thinking about what they think and want it to be and completely ignore what CCP has said it will be.

Quote:
and generally cool moments like everyone meeting up to spectate the alliance tournament together while brokers take bets (can you imagine the Impoc going down in a station with eve-voice?).


This has been done for years with the existing system. In fact you couldn't do this with Ambulation because CCP has stated you can't look out windows. You wouldn't be able to see the tourney!

Intoagun Deshana
Minmatar
Sentinel Eradicators of Doom
Posted - 2010.07.30 20:21:00 - [46]
 

Incarna is one of the expansions I have been waiting for since it was a rumor. I really can't was to get to play with it because it has large role-play value. You will be surprised what it will bring into our game, I say our game because we all play a part of it. Now where will I put that strip club now. YARRRR!!YARRRR!!ughughYARRRR!!YARRRR!!

Irritating Troll
Posted - 2010.07.30 20:27:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: Irritating Troll on 30/07/2010 20:28:47
Edited by: Irritating Troll on 30/07/2010 20:27:59
I'll care about Incarna only if I can make my female character completely nude and have /stripperpole dance commands. That fancy-schmancy nVidia crap that makes clothes flow realistically better make ass cheeks and boobs jiggle realistically, too.

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.07.30 22:17:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Pottsey on 30/07/2010 22:18:23
From what we have been told about Incarna its too little too late and still at least 1 year away. There is nothing special about it anymore. It might be nice to have at best.

Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
Posted - 2010.07.31 04:50:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Florio
Originally by: Xereyn
The question I haven't seen an answer to yet is: What does it *do*?

It increases subscriber numbers so CCP can get more money so they can fix fleet lag. Now sit back and enjoy the ride, we're in the best hands ever, in the best virtual world ever.


lol You really believe that?

The vast majority of money gained from new expansions goes directly back into the next expansion.

It's a marketing loop. No existing feature will ever again be balanced or finished as CCPs strategy
is to release half finished, broken, product for 5 years and then spend 6 months on half-assed fixes.

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2010.07.31 04:59:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Florio
Originally by: stoicfaux
Would you rather have new clothing textures or new ship skins? Would you rather have a new GUI for WiS or updates to the existing ship GUI? Would you rather have devs optimizing FPS frame rates or fixing Fleet lag?

For any of those things on your wish list to matter, EVE has to continue as an ongoing virtual world. To do that CCP has no option but to do its best to increase subscriber numbers. If it fails to do this CCP won't get new funding, won't get old funding renewed, and will get a net fall in subscription numbers. It is vital to secure new subscriptions as otherwise EVE really will die (TM).

With CCP having limited resources, and with the success of incarna being pretty damn vital to EVE's long-term success, I for one am pleased that CCP are allocating pretty much everything to incarna. I've been in plenty of fleet fights. Lag makes them suck donkey balls. But you gotta see the bigger picture.

Just LOL!

At the moment the spaceshipguys are paying for the WHOLE SHOW, alone. No other subscribers. No untapped resources.
Get a clue.

If your statement where anyhow close to reality CCP would need to double it's employee base after DUST hits.. I got my doubts on this.

Nalesh
ASYOULIKE corp
Posted - 2010.07.31 05:42:00 - [51]
 

Only thing I don't like about incarna is that it caters to station huggers, get us a way to get them out of the station via walking in station and I'll be happy(Like starting a brawl and getting both of you thrown out)

Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
Posted - 2010.07.31 08:32:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 31/07/2010 08:36:59
Originally by: Magnus Orin
Knowing CCP's new policy on new content vs polish, Incarna will be as shallow as PI.

Absolutely not looking forward to it.

That's the one thing I'm afraid of.

Seeing that CCP isn't exactly building up an excellent reputation what improving and polishing features are concerned I really wonder what we're going to get.

Worst case scenario: we can walk in stations but the shop feature won't get developed. Corp offices don't work and don't get fixed. Minigames are buggy. CCP does nothing and dedicates the majority of its devs to some new feature like astronomic mapmaking, player driven banking and insurance or arenas.


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