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Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2010.07.29 20:27:00 - [181]
 

Originally by: So Sensational

I am ENTITLED to a functioning product by virtue of ****ing capitalism. The thing is, eventually there's going to be competition assuming MMOs remain popular. My entitlement comes in the form of a product that delivers more than this one does, free market style. Until then I'll keep raging and fueling the flames, hoping it will make CCP do something.
Once again you're arguing about what you think SHOULD be and not WHAT IS. Capitalism is about supply, demand and the freedom to choose. Having a sense of entitlement about you doesn't change the reality of the sitution which is this:

CCP has a product. You can either pay them for said product or not. That's pretty much the extent of the reality of this situation.

It may suck, but it is what it is and no amount of "I think it should be different" will change that.

Dirk Culliford
H A V O C
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2010.07.29 20:28:00 - [182]
 

I always knew we were your number one priority!!! You were just trolling all the empire guys! <3



Rolling Eyes

Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2010.07.29 20:34:00 - [183]
 

Originally by: Thresh Avery

You are naive to think an ISP service and MMO account are the same. However, i respect your ability to cancel accounts due to dissatisfaction.
I don't believe they are the same thing, it's called an analogy.

We're paying for a product/service and if you're not happy with it, you can cancel - just like you could cancel your ISP, your phone, stop eating at a particular fast-food restaurant, stop buying BP gas, or whatever you choose to illustrate this point.

People become so emotionally attached to their favorite game they stop acting rationally.

Originally by: Thresh Avery
The truth is, there's two ways of doing it. And although the whining may seem childish to you, don't you think CCP's marketing department are capable of deceiving their playerbase and will cave if the situation gets too uncomfortable?
7 years of "EvE is dying" threads argues otherwise.

Originally by: Thresh Avery
I mean, tbh, we're not even asking for that much. Just a bit of dedication and a respectable timeframe we can expect results in that means they actually care, not running around with a boner for Incarna and Dust. There's no release date on those things, let them wait.
You seem to be missing my point. I'm not saying that they don't need to fix this in a reasonable timeframe - and as a 0.0 denizen, I hope to god they do - what I'm saying is that posting on these forums is not the fast-track to getting things changed - as 7 years of "EvE is dying" threads have proven.


Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2010.07.29 20:35:00 - [184]
 

Originally by: Jordan Musgrat
Originally by: Ranger 1

Actually, yes he can. So can anyone else that knows anything about this type of work.
You have put in a nutshell the entire false premise than 99% of the people complaining about lag are spewing on the forums currently.

Yes, more people are working on Incarna. Incarna requires the input of a huge and diverse group of specialists, none of which are qualified to work on lag issues.

A 5 to 10 man specialist team working on the lag issues in EVE is dangerously close to a serious case of diminshing returns as it is.

If you put your best team of specialists on a project that involves probing deeping into the underlying code of EVE, you have made that issue a priority. How many graphic artists you have working on visuals and lighting algorithms for a future expansion is totally irrelevant. What is relevant is that you have your best team, skilled in the particular issue you are trying to resolve, working together to come up with a solution. These folks have the skills, they could be working on other aspects of EVE's code instead, but instead are devoting a significant portion of their time to a serious issue.

Not really sure how you can keep missing the point on this one.




That's absolutely laughable. I'm not sure why you're so interested in defending CCP over anything else. First, you miss the point of my post which was it's not just the lag, it's the existing features. Second, I know very well that you could put 20 people on analyzing the code changes from before december 09 and after, analyzing the results from fleet tests, and analyzing code in general, trying to figure out what is the bottleneck here. Don't try to tell me that only 5 people can work on fixing lag. There were many more working on it at one time, CCP could confirm this if they wanted to.


1: Your personal wish list of improvements/tweaks you would like to see, but are not going to be worked on right away, do not equal a broken game.

2: Analyzing core system level computer code is not the same a digging ditches. Throwing more people at it does not help, and can rapidly start being counter productive. Especially when attempting to debug that code.

Perhaps you should stick to what you know.

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2010.07.29 20:39:00 - [185]
 

Originally by: news item
'With the help of the EVE community on the test server, we believe we are close to some investigative breakthroughs and will continue to relay any progress via our developer blogs.'
Translation: Nullsec is about as populated as we can expect and is almost to our projected territoral claim goals of everyone and his startup alliance getting a bit of color on the map with full cynojammer support and plentiful supercaps to defend it. So its about time to turn off the lag switch now and finally let them fight it out on mostly even terms instead of the unholy one sided bloodbath it would have been with no new territory being claimed by anyone but the top few major players if we had not borked fleet fights.

Smile

So Sensational
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.07.29 20:39:00 - [186]
 

Edited by: So Sensational on 29/07/2010 20:50:07
Edited by: So Sensational on 29/07/2010 20:42:16
Originally by: Pesky LaRue
Originally by: So Sensational

I am ENTITLED to a functioning product by virtue of ****ing capitalism. The thing is, eventually there's going to be competition assuming MMOs remain popular. My entitlement comes in the form of a product that delivers more than this one does, free market style. Until then I'll keep raging and fueling the flames, hoping it will make CCP do something.
Once again you're arguing about what you think SHOULD be and not WHAT IS. Capitalism is about supply, demand and the freedom to choose. Having a sense of entitlement about you doesn't change the reality of the sitution which is this:

CCP has a product. You can either pay them for said product or not. That's pretty much the extent of the reality of this situation.

It may suck, but it is what it is and no amount of "I think it should be different" will change that.


Wat? I am entitled to a functioning product because that is how capitalism works, the entitlement is inherent and also the same thing as "demand". I am entitled to whatever product I want as long as it can be produced in a profitable way. It's the driving force behind the entire ideology, I want something, I deserve to have it, you supply it and I pay. I don't *have* to help them test the product or any **** like that, it's not my job.

My type of MMO, the type of MMO EVE is, clearly is profitable. In fact doing it right was something CCP was pretty good at an expansion or two ago.

When these guys don't deliver someone eventually will, it's a matter of time. That is what I was saying.

Now atm CCP has a monopoly on MMOs worth playing, as such they can do whatever the **** they want to, capitalism is essentially broken. As it is there is no point in unsubbing, it won't change anything and is likely less effective than flaming on the forums because it can't be done in an organized manner, people won't unsub when they can't replace the product with something else.

edit: If you think "I think it should be different" has no bearing on a free market you're simply an idiot.

Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2010.07.29 20:47:00 - [187]
 

Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 29/07/2010 20:48:54
Originally by: So Sensational

Wat? I am entitled to a functioning product because that is how capitalism works,

No. It isn't. You are either dreaming or deluded to think that capitalism has ANYTHING to do with delivering you a functioning product. What you are ENTITLED to within capitalism is the freedom to choose. And you still have that.

Originally by: So Sensational
the entitlement is inherent and also the same thing as "demand". I am entitled to whatever product I want as long as it can be produced in a profitable way. It's the driving force behind the entire ideology, I want something, I deserve to have it, you supply it and I pay. I don't *have* to help them test the product or any **** like that, it's not my job.
Again, believing that because you want something, someone has to supply it to your standards is NOT capitalism.

Originally by: So Sensational

When these guys don't deliver someone eventually will, it's a matter of time. That is what I was saying.
And guess what? When someone DOES deliver, you'll have the choice to play it! Isn't capitalism wonderful?

Originally by: So Sensational
Now atm CCP has a monopoly on MMOs worth playing, as such they can do whatever the **** they want to, capitalism is essentially broken. As it is there is no point in unsubbing, it won't change anything and is likely less effective than flaming on the forums because it can't be done in an organized manner, people won't unsub when they can't replace the product with something else.

So, your rationalization is that not giving the company money won't show them that you're dissatisfied with their product but posting repeatedly about how close to tears you are will?

I think I am starting to understand why you are so confused.

So Sensational
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.07.29 21:04:00 - [188]
 

Edited by: So Sensational on 29/07/2010 21:21:02
Edited by: So Sensational on 29/07/2010 21:07:55
Edited by: So Sensational on 29/07/2010 21:05:51
Originally by: Pesky LaRue

No. It isn't. You are either dreaming or deluded to think that capitalism has ANYTHING to do with delivering you a functioning product. What you are ENTITLED to within capitalism is the freedom to choose. And you still have that.

And by having the freedom to choose I can choose the superior product, by choosing the superior product I force the suppliers to improve their quality. Thus I am entitled to whatever product I want. This does not apply with a monopoly. See last paragraph for why my only choice is to stay if I wish to enjoy an MMO.

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Again, believing that because you want something, someone has to supply it to your standards is NOT capitalism.

When my standard is the same as everyone else's who want the same product then yes, that is capitalism. And/or if my standard is profitable enough to do it, even though I am the only one who wants it.

Originally by: So Sensational
Now atm CCP has a monopoly on MMOs worth playing, as such they can do whatever the **** they want to, capitalism is essentially broken. As it is there is no point in unsubbing, it won't change anything and is likely less effective than flaming on the forums because it can't be done in an organized manner, people won't unsub when they can't replace the product with something else.

Quote:
So, your rationalization is that not giving the company money won't show them that you're dissatisfied with their product but posting repeatedly about how close to tears you are will?



My rationalization is that I gain nothing from unsubbing from the only game worth playing, that because it does not happen on an organized and large enough scale it has little to no effect on CCP, and that flaming, raging, whining and crying clearly does have an effect. The later proven by their damage control patrol instaresponding.

They already know I'm dissatisfied, they know we all are. It's making them do something about it that matters.

Henri Rearden
Gallente
VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD
Black Star Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.29 21:15:00 - [189]
 

Originally by: So Sensational

Wat? I am entitled to a functioning product because that is how capitalism works, the entitlement is inherent and also the same thing as "demand". I am entitled to whatever product I want as long as it can be produced in a profitable way. It's the driving force behind the entire ideology, I want something, I deserve to have it, you supply it and I pay.


OH. DEAR. GOD. Is this the crap they teach in school now? No wonder the universities are all turning out socialists. I would try to explain and clarify but I think I have to go cry in despair for the world now.

Irritating Troll
Posted - 2010.07.29 21:19:00 - [190]
 

I don't care. The real question to this is: Do we get another 100K SP bonus out of this? Maybe even more!

Tobruk
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.07.29 21:21:00 - [191]
 

Originally by: CCP Manifest
Edited by: CCP Manifest on 29/07/2010 15:54:23
Hey, as pointed out in this thread by "Squat Hardback", our comment finally went live in this addendum.

"Request for comment" came in my inbox at 6:30am and because of sleep and commute (damn them), I didn't get to it in my email queue until then. The article journalist was nice enough to get it up relatively quickly after I immediately attended to it.


I have to say that response took some serious ****ing balls. To tell them you have given carte Blanche and its your No 1. priority right after a dev blog that states the contrary...

how does it feel to be CCPs Baghdad bob?


Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2010.07.29 21:23:00 - [192]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Jordan Musgrat
Originally by: Ranger 1

Actually, yes he can. So can anyone else that knows anything about this type of work.
You have put in a nutshell the entire false premise than 99% of the people complaining about lag are spewing on the forums currently.

Yes, more people are working on Incarna. Incarna requires the input of a huge and diverse group of specialists, none of which are qualified to work on lag issues.

A 5 to 10 man specialist team working on the lag issues in EVE is dangerously close to a serious case of diminshing returns as it is.

If you put your best team of specialists on a project that involves probing deeping into the underlying code of EVE, you have made that issue a priority. How many graphic artists you have working on visuals and lighting algorithms for a future expansion is totally irrelevant. What is relevant is that you have your best team, skilled in the particular issue you are trying to resolve, working together to come up with a solution. These folks have the skills, they could be working on other aspects of EVE's code instead, but instead are devoting a significant portion of their time to a serious issue.

Not really sure how you can keep missing the point on this one.




That's absolutely laughable. I'm not sure why you're so interested in defending CCP over anything else. First, you miss the point of my post which was it's not just the lag, it's the existing features. Second, I know very well that you could put 20 people on analyzing the code changes from before december 09 and after, analyzing the results from fleet tests, and analyzing code in general, trying to figure out what is the bottleneck here. Don't try to tell me that only 5 people can work on fixing lag. There were many more working on it at one time, CCP could confirm this if they wanted to.


1: Your personal wish list of improvements/tweaks you would like to see, but are not going to be worked on right away, do not equal a broken game.

2: Analyzing core system level computer code is not the same a digging ditches. Throwing more people at it does not help, and can rapidly start being counter productive. Especially when attempting to debug that code.

Perhaps you should stick to what you know.



and the other side of the coin is

1. You having a select portion of the game you use working != the game as a whole is functioning fine

2. While throwing more and more resources at a problem may not always make it go away, you have no idea if CCP has even come close to approaching that point.

Just as you can say 100 people may not fix something better than 20, one can also say 20 may accomplish the task much more efficiently than 5 or 10

either way you look at it, the people in this thread are throwing around a load of b.s. they hardly understand. Even if they do understand it, you certainly aren't privy to any inside information that makes your opinion more valuable or correct.


It's a forum. People come to complain and discuss stuff. Which type of people seem more irrelevant to this thread?
-those that came to complain and discuss and yell at CCP
-those saying 'just go away and cancel your subscription. we don't care'

Both are valid. However while one group is complaining... the other is complaining that people shouldn't be complaining.
and THAT is certainly laughable Laughing

Varesk
Gallente
Maelstrom Crew
Posted - 2010.07.29 21:24:00 - [193]
 


Reclamator Janu
Posted - 2010.07.29 21:30:00 - [194]
 

Originally by: Henri Rearden
Originally by: So Sensational

Wat? I am entitled to a functioning product because that is how capitalism works, the entitlement is inherent and also the same thing as "demand". I am entitled to whatever product I want as long as it can be produced in a profitable way. It's the driving force behind the entire ideology, I want something, I deserve to have it, you supply it and I pay.


OH. DEAR. GOD. Is this the crap they teach in school now? No wonder the universities are all turning out socialists. I would try to explain and clarify but I think I have to go cry in despair for the world now.


Welcome to the era of Crybaby Capitalism where kids like that think they get what they want because they want it.

So Sensational
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.07.29 21:34:00 - [195]
 

Edited by: So Sensational on 29/07/2010 21:49:31
Originally by: Reclamator Janu
Originally by: Henri Rearden
Originally by: So Sensational

Wat? I am entitled to a functioning product because that is how capitalism works, the entitlement is inherent and also the same thing as "demand". I am entitled to whatever product I want as long as it can be produced in a profitable way. It's the driving force behind the entire ideology, I want something, I deserve to have it, you supply it and I pay.


OH. DEAR. GOD. Is this the crap they teach in school now? No wonder the universities are all turning out socialists. I would try to explain and clarify but I think I have to go cry in despair for the world now.


Welcome to the era of Crybaby Capitalism where kids like that think they get what they want because they want it.

You get what you want because you want it, and because you can pay for it. It's not like the supplier has a choice, he has to go by demand and try and get as close to it as he can.

Ryhss
Caldari
The Excecutorans
Posted - 2010.07.29 21:37:00 - [196]
 

Why don't I believe that second link? Have I been asleep for 18 months?!

Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
S I L E N T.
Posted - 2010.07.29 21:46:00 - [197]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1

By the way, the UI development team was tripled... but don't let me confuse you further.



Please enlighten me. What did the achieve. Oh I forgot...

3 x 0 = 0

Xroxreariad Ramatarapap
Posted - 2010.07.29 21:53:00 - [198]
 

Edited by: Xroxreariad Ramatarapap on 29/07/2010 21:54:23
Originally by: So Sensational
You get what you want because you want it, and because you can pay for it.


And what do you do in case you want something yet no one is delivering because what you want exists only in your head? Crying in fetal position I suppose?

God damn spoiled kids. But worry not, you'll learn your lesson in time.

So Sensational
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.07.29 21:57:00 - [199]
 

Originally by: Xroxreariad Ramatarapap
Originally by: So Sensational
You get what you want because you want it, and because you can pay for it.


And what do you do in case you want something yet no one is delivering because what you want exist only in your head?

You wait until someone invent it/invent it yourself? Are you implying that the game that we were playing 1 month ago only exists in my head? I mean, beyond the fact that the physical product has changed? I mean are you ****ing ******ed? There's a 30 page thread in this very forum where people are basically saying "We want this, give it to us or we'll be very mad". It is the only thing we can do, there is no other viable choice.

Mernek
Posted - 2010.07.29 22:04:00 - [200]
 

What? Capitalism = autonomy? As far as i'm aware there have been a trio of powerful economists from the 1970s who believed in the persuasion of capitalism. Milton Friedmann is probably the bets known example. Please remember that this field of capitalistic research is currently under a hell of a lot of scrutiny if not open mocking. This is because that C = A belief led to the idea that supply and demand could always regulate a market without any kind of fiscal intervention. You really want to defend that idea given the current climate? Or even better this idea was developed into policy by the administrations of Reagan and Thratcher. Has the wealth trickled down yet?

In reality, the poster has not expressed any love of socialism, in fact i really don't understand how you determined he is a socialist! He didn't say he deserved a good eve client because he put labour into the system. He's saying he deserved it because he payed for it!

Now, one can walk away, you are entirely correct. For example if i put gas in my car at one petrol station but that begins to put water in the pumps; i can use another one. But what if the same company owns all the pumps? That as far as i can tell is what the poster is stating, that there is no other alternative for eve currently. As such CCP know that they can pull this stuff, there is even a post somewhere saying that they know there is no evidence to suggest that fixing current issues will gain more revenue than introducing new featured to gain new subscribers.

So where is supply and demand to fix this issue? Personally, i feel that the C = A system of capitalism is a poor one. This is because essentially tehre can never be freedom in the sense you are speaking of. All you do by making the market 'free' is shift the level of control from the government to the market (remember the market does not equal consumer)

Mern

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2010.07.29 22:06:00 - [201]
 

Originally by: Lubomir Penev
Originally by: Ranger 1

By the way, the UI development team was tripled... but don't let me confuse you further.



Please enlighten me. What did the achieve. Oh I forgot...

3 x 0 = 0


Actually my friend even before the team was expanded they caught a refresh bug in the overview that was causing various issues, including additional lag.

Opps, sorry, trying SO hard not to confuse you with facts...

Monkey Saturday
Unknown Soldiers
The Spire Collective
Posted - 2010.07.29 22:10:00 - [202]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Lubomir Penev
Originally by: Ranger 1

By the way, the UI development team was tripled... but don't let me confuse you further.



Please enlighten me. What did the achieve. Oh I forgot...

3 x 0 = 0


Actually my friend even before the team was expanded they caught a refresh bug in the overview that was causing various issues, including additional lag.

Opps, sorry, trying SO hard not to confuse you with facts...


You mean this one from december 2009? The last time they mentioned lag in their patch notes?

Please point me to the notes that say i'm wrong and i'll gladly say I was wrong.

Gumpy Nighthawk
Amarr
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.29 22:12:00 - [203]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Lubomir Penev
Originally by: Ranger 1

By the way, the UI development team was tripled... but don't let me confuse you further.



Please enlighten me. What did the achieve. Oh I forgot...

3 x 0 = 0


Actually my friend even before the team was expanded they caught a refresh bug in the overview that was causing various issues, including additional lag.

Opps, sorry, trying SO hard not to confuse you with facts...


So then why has the lag increased?? Please enlighten me oh wise one! Can you maybe get that info out of ccp's ass? You seem to be enjoying that place....

So Sensational
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.07.29 22:18:00 - [204]
 

Edited by: So Sensational on 29/07/2010 22:25:40
Originally by: Mernek

In reality, the poster has not expressed any love of socialism, in fact i really don't understand how you determined he is a socialist! He didn't say he deserved a good eve client because he put labour into the system. He's saying he deserved it because he payed for it!

This. I'm not saying CCP has no choice but to provide a client exactly to my specifications, I'm saying that since enough of us want it they eventually must because a free market demands it, it's either that or someone else will do it for them.

Quote:
Now, one can walk away, you are entirely correct. For example if i put gas in my car at one petrol station but that begins to put water in the pumps; i can use another one. But what if the same company owns all the pumps? That as far as i can tell is what the poster is stating, that there is no other alternative for eve currently. As such CCP know that they can pull this stuff, there is even a post somewhere saying that they know there is no evidence to suggest that fixing current issues will gain more revenue than introducing new featured to gain new subscribers.
Yes, and then what other choice than to whine, cry, get media attention, etc, do we have? There's certainly nothing stopping CCP from monopolizing our niche in the MMO market.

Quote:
So where is supply and demand to fix this issue? Personally, i feel that the C = A system of capitalism is a poor one. This is because essentially tehre can never be freedom in the sense you are speaking of. All you do by making the market 'free' is shift the level of control from the government to the market (remember the market does not equal consumer)


But in this case you can already see the consumer shaping the situation, contact media, generate bad press, force reaction. I'll agree that complete freedom is a utopia though. In reality I don't give a **** about politics except if I can get some quick, short term benefits. I love discussing it on forums though because you can go to any length in a theoretical scenario.

p.s. Single-handedly turned a thread about how ****ty CCP is into a thread about capitalism. CCP really should hire me to to their damage control because I'm pretty damn good at it.

Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Posted - 2010.07.29 22:18:00 - [205]
 

Originally by: MyMainIsBiomass
It's not just the lag though. It's their refusal to fix numerous other issues.
Pretty much this, I have not *****ed to CCP about fleet lag yet because I have helped on the SISI tests, seen them viewing fleet fights and well they have shown they are working on that issue.

However... the other problems with the game that really need looking at or have been promised and then just never given does make me sad. I have not played as long as the vets of EVE and for a very long time when people made jokes about how CCP really didn't give a damn about fixing old issues I though "nahh they are just looking at it more in depth" pretty much lost faith in that now.

I wont quit EVE because I do love the game and can still improve and have small fights here and there but I no longer care about future releases or expect anything awesome from a patch.

Otocinclus
Minmatar
Project Nemesis
Moar Tears
Posted - 2010.07.29 22:27:00 - [206]
 

I went to Iceland with a bat wrapped in sandpaper, a sword, and a list of demands. Expect a fix soon.

Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
Posted - 2010.07.29 22:28:00 - [207]
 

Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 29/07/2010 22:40:59
Originally by: Turelus
However... the other problems with the game that really need looking at or have been promised and then just never given does make me sad. I have not played as long as the vets of EVE and for a very long time when people made jokes about how CCP really didn't give a damn about fixing old issues I though "nahh they are just looking at it more in depth" pretty much lost faith in that now.

I wont quit EVE because I do love the game and can still improve and have small fights here and there but I no longer care about future releases or expect anything awesome from a patch.

Yes same here.

I find it slightly disturbing that a lot of issues are still there, also ones that could/should have been fixed with just some moderate effort, like rockets. I don't understand what's the big problem?

Not that they influence my day-to-day gameplay a lot (although I'd love to fly a Vengeance) but because all those small and big things together aren't very promising for future content and expansions. If this becomes a game in which a lot of features only work below par (far from "excellent") I'm seriously start to worry if the overall quality of the game will continue to decrease over time.
Whether I participate in certain things or not (I don't do PI for instance) but as a general tendency. If expansions will bring moderate quality content and mess up existing features that aren't fixed - that's not a good sign. The lag problem already exists for 6 months and making it prio #1 won't magically solve it in a few days.

I hope CCP will prove me wrong.

Monkey Saturday
Unknown Soldiers
The Spire Collective
Posted - 2010.07.29 22:32:00 - [208]
 

Originally by: Otocinclus
I went to Iceland with a bat wrapped in sandpaper, a sword, and a list of demands. Expect a fix soon.


If it's an animal kind of bat then epic win to you sir!

Mire Stoude
The Undesirables
Posted - 2010.07.29 22:39:00 - [209]
 

Edited by: Mire Stoude on 29/07/2010 22:39:38
The only thing broken is the mechanic that allows / encourages 1200 person fleet fights. Alliances should get together all civilized-like and just send their 15 best pilots against each other. Whoever wins gets control of the system. Yes, that is the only solution.

Also, stop crying and making it seem like lagged out fleet fights are something new. Empire is just fine, btw.

Olleybear
Minmatar
I R' Carebear
Posted - 2010.07.29 23:23:00 - [210]
 

What? Eve dying again?!?! We just killed the end boss. Why wont Eve stay dead longer? The respawn timer on this is absolutly ridiculous!

We, the player base, demand that the reapwn timer on the Eve end boss be increased so Eve stays dead longer than it currently is.

It has been scienticifically proven that longer respawn timers helps keep the top gear into the hands of only those that truly deserve it.

Also, we demand more....

What? What do you mean I dont know what I am talking about... Spaceship game? Your mean to say this isn't swords and dragons?

Oh hell, just ship the article with minor changes to include blackholes or something sciency like that. The unwashed masses of attention deficit kids dont have a clue about social engineering and will gobble up the Eve is dying mantra.

Then what you ask?

Then, we sit back and smile at the drama we caused...


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