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Viva Che
Posted - 2010.08.01 17:17:00 - [61]
 

Meh, this crap again?

You NAPsec'ers wanna pull your wang out any time someone with a 3-day old account suggests highsec should be safer and then argue to blue-faces on both sides about how the other is "ruining the game," or "doesn't get EVE."

Take your own advice and stop taking the game so seriously.

PS. Ambivalent at best about the topic. Don't care. Not supporting or Refuting.

Messenger001
Amarr
Posted - 2010.08.01 20:39:00 - [62]
 

Heh, I tell you yet again: I've never been suicide ganked on misssion. But I do know many instances, and want to prevent that possibility. And there is no one, how great smart a#s he could be, can escape a planned professional suicide gank. If they want you - they will get you for sure. And they WILL want you if you're flying something decent they can strip for themselves for no penalty at all. So, that's it: I removed everything valuable from my Paladin (except hull and T2 rigs, heh) and replaced it with T2 junk. Very funny crap it became, and I just wonder: why the developers made all those faction and complex mods in game if we shouldn't use them at all because of continuous suicide gank fest? The progress is stopped, and there's no real point in game.

Container Storage
Posted - 2010.08.01 21:19:00 - [63]
 

They created it for the people who have the ballz to dock out with them and use them. Even them said they never wanted the high-sec to be perfectly secure.

Criminal do have penalty by the way, that why they don't kill anything that move in high-sec but only rich people with really juicy thing. you're arguing that they should be safe, the dev and lot of player said it already, they don't want you to be safe, they want you dying. Your idea have been posted many time now. If the devlopper really wanted for you to be safe they would have done it already.

And you know, some of us love to have risk, even in high sec. I for one love the suicide ganker on gate making stupid trader miserable while they let me pass because of my tank. Just play another game if you don't want any risk.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.08.01 21:27:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Goose99
While highsec shouldn't be completely safe, I do agree that suicide ganks needs a gimp to bring its profitability back down in line with other professions. You can potentially earn billions of isk for a few minutes of work and cheap gankboat that's insured. The reward is far too huge for so little work and no risk for the ganker in insured cheapboat. The risk/workload vs. reward ratio is off.


I made around a bill in a plex this morning, and it was perfectly safe. Since I've run it before and it was in alliance space, the risk was essentially zero. And there was no "potential" about the reward: you get 100M in bounty, 220M in Overseer effects and an X-type module every time. Too less than an hour from undocking to redocking.

So yeah now we've disposed of that silly argument, the suicide ganker can also "potentially" get nothing. How much he gets is entirely up to other players. No guaranteed reward whatsoever. If they're careless with incredibly valuable cargo then it's not that suicide ganking is inherently too easy, it's that the victims are too foolhardy.

All it takes for suicide ganking to be wiped out overnight is for fools to stop AFK hauling valuable cargo in untanked ships. Got a freighter full of tritanium? By all means AFK autopilot that, no-one is gonna bother. Moving the deadspace fittings for your shiny new Nightmare? The for the love of god use a supertanked drake or a covops or something, and at least try and make it difficult.

Move your pricey stuff around in something like this. Unless someone cares enough to get an organised fleet of 20 or so tempests, you can just laugh off any gankers. It's cheap too.

[Drake, Move me]
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Photon Scattering Field II

Improved Cloaking Device II
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Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

163k EHP. Enough cargo to move the fittings for the faction BS of your choice from Jita to whichever misison hub you use. Unless you're moving Estamel class stuff, no-ones going to bother.

Messenger001
Amarr
Posted - 2010.08.01 22:49:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Container Storage
They created it for the people who have the ballz to dock out with them and use them.


Ah. So, they're for people with a great desire to get their own ballz to be separated from themselves. Interesting, indeed.

Quote:
And you know, some of us love to have risk

I've heard about people with such a masochistic perversion. But there is a whole lot of space for them in lowsecs, where they can be ra#ed 24/7, as they wish.

Arkanor
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
Posted - 2010.08.02 00:15:00 - [66]
 

I'd stand by the point that an interceptor is the best way to move small volumes of valuable cargo. Not only is it stupidly fast (which saves you time), it will blast right into warp from gate cloak so unless you fall asleep, no one will even have the chance to lock you.

Hairy Bum
Posted - 2010.08.02 03:23:00 - [67]
 

Or be pro-active about the gankers.

Sit at the undock of Jita 4-4 in a fast hauler (stabs and nanos ftw) and just loot the wrecks as the gankers make them. Game mechanics - same ones the "pirates" lord on about - mean that they can't do a thing to stop you.

Better still, you can create a wreck looter alt in one easy step, mince it and create another one (all within the EULA) so that the wreck creators have no idea that it was you continually stealing "their" stuff Laughing.

DarkStar1128
Minmatar
House Aratus
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2010.08.02 05:10:00 - [68]
 

So really why has this thread made it to 3 pages?

Messenger001 is a alt toon. This is either a troll, or someone who needs to go play wow.

Eve attracts people because of the "sandbox" gameplay, some people like this, others don't. Those who don't shouldn't keep playing eve.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2010.08.02 06:33:00 - [69]
 

Edited by: ShahFluffers on 02/08/2010 06:33:37
Originally by: Messenger001

Quote:
And you know, some of us love to have risk

I've heard about people with such a masochistic perversion. But there is a whole lot of space for them in lowsecs, where they can be ra#ed 24/7, as they wish.


Confirming. I possess a masochistic perversion which involves being held down and ravaged in low-sec. Ohhhh baby, do it harder!!!!

In fact, I am so "full" of my aforementioned perversion that I just HAVE to prance on over to high-sec and share my experiences!! Oh joyous days!!! Twisted Evil

DarkStar1128
Minmatar
House Aratus
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2010.08.02 06:45:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: DeMont Cruiser

All the points that Messenger001 has listed in the original post have been constantly repeated by a lot of other players time after time. Must be a reason for this and it's not the bull**** replies/posts that you all made against Messenger001.

You all think you have a direct line to CCP Dev's and can speak for them when all you really are is just a bunch of no balls Internet bully's hiding behind a computer. All I see in this forum is a bunch of loser griefer trolls who can only get their jollies by talking smack and pretending to be something that they're not.


You all say low security needs more action with more players when in fact it's little kids like most of you that have made low security almost non existent with the 24/7 endless gate camps. And now you're all trying to justify grief exploits such as the suicide gank squads in high security as being piracy. Since you think you're all badass PvP players then go to 0.0 and try your little grief tactics there. You'll get your little butts spanked quicker than you can write a flame troll about me.

Right now you all think you have the upperhand and CCP's blessing while trying to hide behind grief exploits. Just remember that it only takes a few harassment petitions to be sent in to get your characters banned.

I'll gladly go 1v1 against any of you so call PvP experts if you got the balls to do it without having to cry for help from other so called PvP experts.

There will be a reckoning time in Eve. An Apocalypse. A new era. A Vendetta list will be made, character names will be entered and slaughtered, corporations will be hunted down to extinction and Alliances will be broken forever. You'll know it's happening when you see fleets of bounty hunting PvE players come crashing through the gates and snuff out your little world's of exploitation.

Trolling removed - Adida



Finally got around to reading the second page. And as for this part:

Originally by: DeMont Cruiser


There will be a reckoning time in Eve. An Apocalypse. A new era. A Vendetta list will be made, character names will be entered and slaughtered, corporations will be hunted down to extinction and Alliances will be broken forever. You'll know it's happening when you see fleets of bounty hunting PvE players come crashing through the gates and snuff out your little world's of exploitation.



Confirming I'll be waiting at said gate with a discophoon to meet you. And since you are also an alt, all you posts should be removed for trolling. Probably an alt of Messenger001.


Hien Morisato
Posted - 2010.08.12 16:10:00 - [71]
 

Someone once told me "PvP is concentual as soon as you undock"

First off I'd like to state I'm neutral on this subject. I will neither support it because I do infact take part in suicide ganking and other unmoral acts of aggression towards others. Also I condemn others for doing acts of unmoral aggression that I would have nothing to do with. I am in no way a hypocrite though I'm sure many of those that have read the previous sentences believe that I am. I was raised to do on to others are others do on to you. Its not an eye for an eye mentality being that I won't suicide gank someone else for suicide ganking a friend. If it happens to me I respond with the same likeness.

With all that said. Messenger carebears are the minority in this game. Most of the current sitting CSM deligates are PvPers or Pirates. Though I don't believe any of them are confirmed griefers. Either way the only way to remain 100% safe in any world is to lock yourself away from all contact with anyone. Comparing this game to the real world on either side just gives the opposing side of your argument fuel. There are two common ways to deal with a bully.

1.) beat him up and prove your strength to him/her. (This doesn't always work because most of the time they bully will just come back with friends and hurt you again.)

2.) Ignore it and walk away from the fight believing that your the better person. (This never works because the bully knows that eventually you'll crack)

There are other options for you to choose from but that is the most common. As for your purposal I do aggree with one thing and I believe even some of the PvPers aggree with it from my reading of other posts. And tahts the fact that the insurence still pays out even after CONCORD has destroyed the ship. What you need to do first is take a step back from the game and ignore the flames come from the PvPers and re-write your purposal with a bit more of a non-basis view. Incorporate changes that would benefit both groups. Adding more security for ships that fly in high sec but also in turn offer a way to bribe CONCORD sec status so you could esentially pay CONCORD for a +10 sec status. Rather then having to grind your way there in so doing taking on the same risks that the carebears have. But also allowing the carebears more security by having a greater punishment of not giving the suicide ganker an insurence pay out.

On other note, I would like to physically see where CCP has announced that they want this game to harbor hatred and discontent between its players and that they encourage the dis-satisfaction of they're subscribers. Also that the game was primarly designed to be a purely PvP game, and that its the intent of CCP to keep the game purely pvp. If you can provide this documentation I would be greatly appriecative as I'm sure many PvPers wouldn't mind having that information to snuff out any further tears that arrise from carebears in the future. Please keep in mind if these are not formal documents and or if you state that you are speaking on behalf of a company of which you have no employment with and/or can not prove your allogations of CCPs wants and wishes. You need to refrane from doing so being that it could cause legal issues for not only CCP as a company but you as well.

Alias Forgotten
Posted - 2010.08.12 16:45:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Messenger001
Originally by: De'Veldrin

So you're willing to kill the guy who beats you out of a promotion at work, but you won't because you might get caught and go to jail.


No way. If he beats me in work - it just mean's he's better in work. Honest and simple. But if he'd, say, stolen my wallet - that's way another story... for that I could kill with no doubt. But wont. I'm a very law-abiding citizen.

Quote:
And yet you say the pirates in Eve are the ones with the problems. I'm not sure there's a pill to cure what ails you.


No one IRL or anywhere I've been in games couldnt say I treated him unfairly.

It's all about rules. If a person follows certain rules (say, dont fly in low secs, dont respond on PVP provocations, etc) he shouldnt possibly got killed. Now the game has no rules and no one nowhere in no way can prevent himself from being suicide ganked.
By the way, I've never been ganked on mis (although been provoked many times - but that doesnt count), but know many of such an instances. If I'd lose my ship - I'll have to quit, it's too expensive. And I dont want to quit.


I wouldn't want to kill someone in real life because of the emotional trauma it would cause me and their loved ones. That is called empathy. Normal people have empathy. What you are describing is a lack of empathy.

Not having empathy means you are a sociopath. However, sociopaths have really successful lives, I wish you good luck with it. Charles Manson, Jeffery Dahmer, Ted Kaczynski, and Timothy McVeigh -- all famous people.

Guilliman R
Gallente
Northstar Cabal
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2010.08.12 17:06:00 - [73]
 

Has to be said again and again.

The game is designed for YOU to loose your ship regardless of where you are. Wanting to be safe somewhere is against the intention of this game. The only issue at best is balance issue, aka: Suicide gankers have/had it too easy. With the recent insurance changes they need to make sure their target is more valuable then before. Then there is also the possibility of someone suicide ganking you for the fun of it. That's essentially the very foundation of EVE.

Either grow some balls, or find a new game to play.



Bunyip
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2010.08.13 03:58:00 - [74]
 

Messenger, I can agree with you on a couple of points. It hurts to lose a ship in Eve that you've worked so hard to build by yourself, and it doesn't make sense that Concord would pay insurance for ships lost in a criminal act.

That being said, this is Eve. A dev once said that Eve is not built to resemble a cold, dark, cruel universe - it's built to be a cold, dark, cruel universe.

You're now in one of the hinge points that discern those built to play Eve and those not. If you learn from your mistakes, learn how to survive, and keep a good buffer to provide should your ship get lost, you'll do fine in Eve. If you want to whine about how cruel the universe is, this game may not be the ideal one for you.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm a blue-blooded carebear who doesn't engage in PvP for my own reasons. However, this game is a sandbox, and sometimes bullies will come over and destroy the sandcastle you built, even if it costs them a whuppin from their parents.

This is EvE. It's not Player vs Enemy/Environment. It's not Player vs Player. It's Everybody vs Everybody (EvE). It's also not everybody's game, so we won't feel hurt if you decide it's not your game.

Astroka
Posted - 2010.09.14 06:52:00 - [75]
 

In EVE, you're never truly safe unless docked in a station. That's a core part of the game. Love it or hate it, it adds some excitement to your dull carebear lives!

Shwedagon Paya
Posted - 2010.09.14 10:04:00 - [76]
 

No sane insurance company in the real world would insure any active-duty war machine, and EVE ships blow up far more often than their real-world counterparts. Therefore, while it seems logical to say that ships destroyed by CONCORD should not be covered by insurance policies, EVE insurance is completely illogical to begin with. You might as well say, "Remove all insurance from EVE" (which I actually agree with, but that's purely personal preference).

On a side note, I am lulz at this classic carebear whine thread. No matter how many years pass since ye olde days of stacked microwarpdrives, carebears keep on making these threads.

Bo Tosh
Posted - 2010.09.14 10:10:00 - [77]
 

Not supported, live with it or move on.

Larg Kellein
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2010.09.14 21:26:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: DeMont Cruiser


There will be a reckoning time in Eve. An Apocalypse. A new era. A Vendetta list will be made, character names will be entered and slaughtered, corporations will be hunted down to extinction and Alliances will be broken forever. You'll know it's happening when you see fleets of bounty hunting PvE players come crashing through the gates and snuff out your little world's of exploitation.



Hi there spaceships friend. Could you, if it's not too much bother, kindly add me to your list at your earliest convenience?

OP: Not supported, although I wouldn't cry any tears for the removal of insurance for ships lost to Concord, but that's where my sympathy stops. Any restrictions on where people can and cannot attack if they're willing to take the hit for it would be at odds with the core design of the game.

Kariem Mahkasad
Minmatar
Star Frontiers
Ignore This.
Posted - 2010.09.15 03:07:00 - [79]
 

Without reading anything at all that was posted above me,
I am in favor of removing insurance reimbursement for any engagement involving CONCORD officials. Also, we want Prostitutes to start dropping again. They can't all be Exotic Dancers.

TheWarpGhost
Posted - 2010.09.15 18:16:00 - [80]
 

Edited by: TheWarpGhost on 15/09/2010 18:18:29
Firstly, two points:

1) When you log in, you consent to the EULA. You do not consent to PvP or indeed any other specific activity, of which there are many. The "You consent to PvP by playing the game" is a fabricated excuse. There are some reasonable expectations you should bring into the game, but nothing so specific (anyway, in my experience criminals run away screaming from people who explicitely consent to fighting them PvPugh).
2) CCP does not in fact support griefing under any guise, and does not intend the game to be used as such. See here for example.

It amuses me that many use the justification of 'its only a game' for griefing behaviour; it appears in fact to be for precisely this reason that CCP regards it as unacceptable! It also amuses me that many say they grief as a form of 'protest' against the existance of High Security space and the people who 'hide behind it' as a minimal-risk mechanic, whilst themselves hiding behind the minimal risk mechanic of insurance to effectively pay for their habit...

OK, on the subjects the OP raised, I do think it ridiculous that CONCORD effectively subsidises criminal activity (whether done for 'in-game' reasons or griefing). I don't think that people who suicide gank purely for in-game profit should be prevented from such activities though. They are the bandits of EVE, scum but characterful scum (and who wants to live in a fascist utopia anyway?Neutral). I also think it wrong that people who make a genuine mistake, particularly new players, and get CONCORDed, should be denied insurance. Indeed, this has been stated by CCP as exactly the reason they haven't already changed insurance to reflect this (in itself presenting another firm line against the 'legitimacy' of pure griefing).

One solution to this dilemma could be to say you have a '3 strikes and you're out' policy on CONCORD insurance per account (important that it be so, rather than per character, if anti-griefing is indeed the goal). Yes it is still possible to work around, but more difficult and less worth the effort. Probably not possible on per account basis though due to coding.

OTOH, it does impact against for-profit suicide gankers, who CCP evidently regard as legitimate users of game mechanics (me too, but that doesn't matter); whilst this can be reduced by sticking to genuinly profitable targets (as they should be anyway for thieving professions), one might consider a mechanic such as slightly more generous cargo drops for 'criminal' kills within hisec only. Easily justified as a bandit taking extra care to minimise cargo loss, as opposed to the more hectic and hostile enviroments of losec/nullsec where they wouldn't have the chance to take so much care. Note that this mechanic should only be given if it is to balance out a mechanic against it, not as an excuse to just make a more profitable sideline for griefing.

I also don't support the argument that CONCORD should 'safeguard' wrecks; as above, I don't see genuine banditry as a practice to be stamped out.

However, the elephant in the room is for any of this to all be truly effective, there needs to be an improvement of losec as an enviroment (nullsec needs some polishing too). That'll not only more obviously seperate out the pathetic little scumbag griefers (who'll continue to hide in hisec whilst whining about it) from the big manly pirates YARRRR!! (who took to griefing because losec sucks worse, and will rush back for some proper PvP), it'll enrich the game experience as a whole (and better yet tempt a few of the 'good citizen' hisec players out of their reasonably safe home to indulge in some righteous carnage tooWink)

Mr SmartGuy
Posted - 2010.09.15 22:11:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Messenger001

1. High security - for cowards (like myself).
2. Low security - for maniacs and pirates.
3. Null - for the great gang wars.



No, no, no... you got it all wrong.

1. Null - for cowards (like myself) ... how do you guys in empire even live without intel channels?
2. Low security - for mothership ganking hotdrops and FW lolblobs
3. High security - for great gang wars... if you get lucky enough to be wardeced by a corp that actually wants to fight (or find one yourself and declare war) instead of ganking individuals and playing docking games (sooo can't wait the docking game nerf)

On the subject, EVE is a cold dark place where no one is safe. That's why I play it.

captain foivos
Posted - 2010.09.15 22:19:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Messenger001
If I'd lose my ship - I'll have to quit, it's too expensive. And I dont want to quit.


You should probably stop trolling or, if you're serious, quit the game now.

ProContractor
Caldari
Viagra Lovers
Posted - 2010.09.16 07:10:00 - [83]
 

Easy fix for this
Start playing on the Chinese server since there are lots of systems empty you can fool around in, when you skills are god enough you can come back to TQ


Tomarix Vindigo
Posted - 2010.09.16 08:29:00 - [84]
 

I support this, insurerance for being killed by CONCORD should be stripped off the game! I don't mind the wreck point. Let them buddys fight in highsec as they like to, but get this damn insurerance nonsense off the game!

In EvE don't ever fly a ship you can't afford to loose. It's just that easy.

Nuts Nougat
SniggWaffe
FREE KARTTOON NOW
Posted - 2010.09.16 08:34:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Ya Huei
Originally by: Messenger001
What's ruining the game? If you want to be a pirate - low secs are a real paradise for you. Cowards choose high secs for safety, risc kills fun for us. Everyone goes where it suits him. What's wrong with it?


Doesn't it make sense that a pirate will go where it's prey is ? Hardly anything worth looting ventures into lowsec, so u can hardly call it "paradise" for pirates.


This. OP, you should get more people to go to lowsec instead, and highsec will instantly become much safer.

My Postman
Posted - 2010.09.16 14:57:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: DeMont Cruiser

All the points that Messenger001 has listed in the original post have been constantly repeated by a lot of other players time after time. Must be a reason for this and it's not the bull**** replies/posts that you all made against Messenger001.

You all think you have a direct line to CCP Dev's and can speak for them when all you really are is just a bunch of no balls Internet bully's hiding behind a computer. All I see in this forum is a bunch of loser griefer trolls who can only get their jollies by talking smack and pretending to be something that they're not.


You all say low security needs more action with more players when in fact it's little kids like most of you that have made low security almost non existent with the 24/7 endless gate camps. And now you're all trying to justify grief exploits such as the suicide gank squads in high security as being piracy. Since you think you're all badass PvP players then go to 0.0 and try your little grief tactics there. You'll get your little butts spanked quicker than you can write a flame troll about me.

Right now you all think you have the upperhand and CCP's blessing while trying to hide behind grief exploits. Just remember that it only takes a few harassment petitions to be sent in to get your characters banned.

I'll gladly go 1v1 against any of you so call PvP experts if you got the balls to do it without having to cry for help from other so called PvP experts.

There will be a reckoning time in Eve. An Apocalypse. A new era. A Vendetta list will be made, character names will be entered and slaughtered, corporations will be hunted down to extinction and Alliances will be broken forever. You'll know it's happening when you see fleets of bounty hunting PvE players come crashing through the gates and snuff out your little world's of exploitation.

Trolling removed - Adida



Very much this, although the last point made me lol.

1) Remove insurance. Completley. Who cares, i didīnt insure a ship since a long time, and when i lose it, ok lost.
Missionrunners/Miners/Industrialists/Carebears usually have billions (at least i have). You want to suicide my ship? Fine, do it, I can replace it in minutes time.

2) When my ship dies to a suicide gank in highsec it shouldīnt drop ANYTHING. Pirate/suicider can have tasty Rattler KM, i donīt care. Donīt give him my officer fit, as he will end with +1b and i with -2b.

/supported

MinerArt
Posted - 2010.09.16 15:36:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: My Postman
Originally by: DeMont Cruiser

All the points that Messenger001 has listed in the original post have been constantly repeated by a lot of other players time after time. Must be a reason for this and it's not the bull**** replies/posts that you all made against Messenger001.

You all think you have a direct line to CCP Dev's and can speak for them when all you really are is just a bunch of no balls Internet bully's hiding behind a computer. All I see in this forum is a bunch of loser griefer trolls who can only get their jollies by talking smack and pretending to be something that they're not.


You all say low security needs more action with more players when in fact it's little kids like most of you that have made low security almost non existent with the 24/7 endless gate camps. And now you're all trying to justify grief exploits such as the suicide gank squads in high security as being piracy. Since you think you're all badass PvP players then go to 0.0 and try your little grief tactics there. You'll get your little butts spanked quicker than you can write a flame troll about me.

Right now you all think you have the upperhand and CCP's blessing while trying to hide behind grief exploits. Just remember that it only takes a few harassment petitions to be sent in to get your characters banned.

I'll gladly go 1v1 against any of you so call PvP experts if you got the balls to do it without having to cry for help from other so called PvP experts.

There will be a reckoning time in Eve. An Apocalypse. A new era. A Vendetta list will be made, character names will be entered and slaughtered, corporations will be hunted down to extinction and Alliances will be broken forever. You'll know it's happening when you see fleets of bounty hunting PvE players come crashing through the gates and snuff out your little world's of exploitation.

Trolling removed - Adida



Very much this, although the last point made me lol.

1) Remove insurance. Completley. Who cares, i didīnt insure a ship since a long time, and when i lose it, ok lost.
Missionrunners/Miners/Industrialists/Carebears usually have billions (at least i have). You want to suicide my ship? Fine, do it, I can replace it in minutes time.

2) When my ship dies to a suicide gank in highsec it shouldīnt drop ANYTHING. Pirate/suicider can have tasty Rattler KM, i donīt care. Donīt give him my officer fit, as he will end with +1b and i with -2b.

/supported


Hmm... valid arguements, lots of flames, and a lot of no brainers.
I do agree that insurance is a bit off when you get concorded and get rewarded for it by a generous gift of isk because your ship got blown up. /support this bit only.

Of course if we want pirates and police we need players in Concord. Or allow podding of the negative security people in high sec by Concord? I gotta admit it'd be an interesting day to see Concord officers hunting down pirates actively instead of passively.

Anyone else thinking of making an alt to join Concord and naming them Dirty Harry, Joe Friday, or FiveOh?

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2010.09.16 16:58:00 - [88]
 

Your ideas are very un-EVE like. Not supported.

Alexander Third
Gallente
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Posted - 2010.09.17 01:43:00 - [89]
 

High-sec is extremely safe as long as you pay attention. If you're mining you can be AFK because most mining barges can tank long enough to wait for concord to come and blow up the pirates. Don't haul on auto-pilot if you're cargo is much more expensive than a frigate or the pirates will probably gank. missioning ships are almost always safe. as for the ships that come out only once ever, just invest those, keep them for a few years and then sell them. right now the primae is already selling for over 200 million.

Shinde Kudasai
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.09.17 01:47:00 - [90]
 

Agree to no insurance for CONCORD kills, but an absolute no to anything else. High sec isn't about safety, it's about consequences.


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