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Seith Silverstein
Something Rotten
Posted - 2010.07.27 18:52:00 - [91]
 

Edited by: Seith Silverstein on 27/07/2010 18:52:54
Originally by: Dirty Protagonist
Originally by: Frug
Originally by: Rivqua
Confirming it was indeed the most awesomest of fights.


You WOULD say that, oh glorious leader.


Regarding the topic of this thread: I'm not really sure it's worth discussing. There are numerous factors involved, the majority of which you won't see anyone discuss here in some crap alt troll thread. It is what it is. Maybe kill ratio isn't everything, or maybe it is. It depends how you look at it.

Next we can start discussing why people think REPO were good when, frankly, they haven't been able to pvp properly in over two years. It's because people don't understand what's going on, and never will unless they're involved directly and see what means what.

Ambiguous enough? I shall now wait for my superiors to give me another order to stop posting.


why are you talking about repo? how are they relevant to prons being awesome?


I'd like to take this opportunity to apologize for DP. He's barely more intelligent than a 5-year old when he's sober. And he was probably drunk during this entire discussion. Just do exactly what we do on comms: Ignore him unless he says something stupid, then troll him mercilessly.

Continue with your asstarded conversation as before.

BeachParty
Caldari
Semi Precious
Posted - 2010.07.27 19:32:00 - [92]
 

Quote:
Agreed. Orphanage should be curb stomping these guys into dust. Instead, an alliance 1/5th its size is making it look foolish. If you want to move beyond Privateers II you have to be able to smash such numerically inferior opponents. This speaks to crappy leadership all around. Oh, um, and noobs staying afk in major systems makes it hard to hunt emk!

It also makes it hard to play in such an alliance with a paranoid alliance leader sanctioning people for their speech all the time. Get out of your politically correct world and let people shoot the poop as they should be able to. And use better judgement as to what is hateful speech and what is joking around.

Originally by: Hue Janus
It is a very interesting war, looks like Snatch just edges it at the moment which is impressive given their vastly smaller numbers. It looks like a fight between numbers on 0rphans side and player quality on Snatch side.


who do you fly for Snatch, 0rphans, both?

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politically correct world

This comes up all the time with you. Curious what you said to get sanctioned?

Bryan Havoc
Project Nemesis
Moar Tears
Posted - 2010.07.27 20:48:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Frug
I don't even like orphanage, and i have a grudge with prons from our repo days.


Confirming our smack and our skill still has you in emotional structure.

Honestly though, the one fight that I was at and snatch was at was a lot of fun. We should do that more often.




The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2010.07.27 21:16:00 - [94]
 

Edited by: The PitBoss on 27/07/2010 21:35:16

Originally by: biggestboobies
... Although PB means well by his "can't we all just get along" policy, many members have been infuriated by not being able to speak their minds and being targeted by other members as so-called "racists."

Should member "A", who has a gripe with member "B", be able to call the other a racist and get him or her sanctioned? This has disgusted me in the past few weeks in addition to the other issues ...


Just like I said when I gave you the boot from the alliance ... 'What are you 12 years old?'

Just quoting you because you just gave away who you really are ... Rolling Eyes

Your 'Fair and Balanced' Debate so far has been nothing but a troll on people who you disliked or feel slighted by in the alliance and an a$$ kiss to those who you flew with ...

Your credibility is and will always be in the crapper so give it a rest ...

Its a game and move on ... maybe next group you hook up with you'll learn not to be such a douche to ...



CannibalCorpseZor
Caldari
Hello Kitty Crew
Posted - 2010.07.27 22:00:00 - [95]
 

With all due respect to you, I did not create this thread and have moved on. In fact, I have refrained from commenting on this thread out of respect for you and the fun I did have at the 0rphanage while I was there. I am not going to say anything bad about you or your alliance.

And thanks for calling me a douche when all I did do was give billions of my own isk to wars and help mates whenever I could. Classy.

Best of luck in the game,

C

Originally by: biggestboobies
... Although PB means well by his "can't we all just get along" policy, many members have been infuriated by not being able to speak their minds and being targeted by other members as so-called "racists."

Should member "A", who has a gripe with member "B", be able to call the other a racist and get him or her sanctioned? This has disgusted me in the past few weeks in addition to the other issues ...


Just like I said when I gave you the boot from the alliance ... 'What are you 12 years old?'

Just quoting you because you just gave away who you really are ... Rolling Eyes

Your 'Fair and Balanced' Debate so far has been nothing but a troll on people who you disliked or feel slighted by in the alliance and an a$$ kiss to those who you flew with ...

Your credibility is and will always be in the crapper so give it a rest ...

Its a game and move on ... maybe next group you hook up with you'll learn not to be such a douche to ...




HomigoshZur
Rainbows 'n Unicorns
Posted - 2010.07.27 22:30:00 - [96]
 

NO U

THE PINGAS
Posted - 2010.07.27 22:46:00 - [97]
 

this thread needs more pingas, tbqh

HomigoshZur
Rainbows 'n Unicorns
Posted - 2010.07.27 22:52:00 - [98]
 

Wheres the pingas commander when you need him?

Pentinor
The Dark Horses.
Posted - 2010.07.27 22:53:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: THE PINGAS
this thread needs more pingas, tbqh


I should of killed you instead of oto.

HomigoshZur
Rainbows 'n Unicorns
Posted - 2010.07.27 22:59:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Pentinor
Originally by: THE PINGAS
this thread needs more pingas, tbqh


I should of killed you instead of oto.

You mad you lost your carrier? Fit another carrier bro

Pentinor
The Dark Horses.
Posted - 2010.07.28 00:26:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: HomigoshZur
Originally by: Pentinor
Originally by: THE PINGAS
this thread needs more pingas, tbqh


I should of killed you instead of oto.

You mad you lost your carrier? Fit another carrier bro


If memory serves me right it was my idea to let you guys kill it :D Oh and im in a new one spinning it now.

THE PINGAS
Posted - 2010.07.28 05:21:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Pentinor
Originally by: THE PINGAS
this thread needs more pingas, tbqh


I should of killed you instead of oto.


THE PINGAS cannot be beat down

13Child
R U D E
Pure Fun
Posted - 2010.07.28 08:09:00 - [103]
 

Can we have proof you are really the biggest t1t ?

Xylosi
Posted - 2010.07.28 15:05:00 - [104]
 

I like cake.. do you like cake? Also prons are purely and indie corp and are terribad at pvp, unless you steal our rare resources (cake) then we get mad

Freddy Jnr
Racketeers
Posted - 2010.07.29 10:47:00 - [105]
 

Edited by: Freddy Jnr on 29/07/2010 11:49:07
Originally by: biggestboobies
many members have been infuriated by not being able to speak their minds and being targeted by other members as so-called "racists."

Should member "A", who has a gripe with member "B", be able to call the other a racist and get him or her sanctioned? This has disgusted me in the past few weeks in addition to the other issues.


Are you suggesting there are corps around in which racist behaviour and prejudice is tolerated? Shocked

Teff nogero
Project Nemesis
Moar Tears
Posted - 2010.08.02 07:09:00 - [106]
 

bored camping bumpage. god i hate you all.

Telsiah
Posted - 2010.08.03 20:43:00 - [107]
 

Edited by: Telsiah on 03/08/2010 20:45:03
Originally by: biggestboobies
It is telling that the Orphanage cannot effectively squash a pvp alliance that is essentially, what, 1/5th its size. Now, it is not as though Snatch is hiding in stations or deep in 0.0. If that is not the case, which it is certainly is not, then what explains a Goliath of empire pvp like the 0rphanage being demolished by a David like Snatch?

First, not all the corporations in the 0rphange are awful. Project Nemesis is among the best merc corps in the game and relentless when it comes to killing hard to kill targets. Furthermore, select pilots in MBALM are superb, Rico Felix being one of them and Telshiah. Not to mention Helliot. These individuals are creative and driven at what they do. Others, like the Pit Boss and Viktor Vegas are sub par. The leader of an alliance flying a caracal to a fleet fight does not instill confidence in member pilots. And a sensor boosting, egomaniacal blow hard also does not make members feel squishy inside or bring out performance.

Now back to the central question: Why is a large empire pvp alliance having its a$# handed to it by an alliance with inferior numbers? I suggest to you that the answer to this question is found in the issue of quality. Now, there is quality in the 0rphange as I have said, but it is overpowered by rank mediocrity and noobishness. I would also add to this laziness. Sitting twenty ships on the Mad/Nia gate is a complete waste of resources and a mindless activity. It may garner some kills but not nurture skill in pilots.

The issue of quality is also directly related to a lack of good fleet commanders. I submit that there are less than five “good” fleet commanders in the whole of the 0rphanage. On the other hand, Snatch certainly has more than five good fleet commanders in its roster and it shows in the statistics. Built into this lack of good leadership is an attitude among the 0rphanage of kill mail whoring. As stated before in this thread, there is no need for twenty people to be on a pod or a rookie ship. Finally, the largest corporation in the 0rphanage, MBALM, has an open-door recruitment policy, which means they take everyone from the best of the best to what one finds at the bottom of a barrel - brainless amoebas and used condoms. For example, it has been reported by anonymous sources that some members of MBALM ask on their alliance TS such whoppers as: “Is it good to fit more than six sensor boosters on my ship?” “What does that red star mean?” and the always comical, “I can’t understand why I couldn’t dock. I stopped shooting. If you still have the guy pointed, you should be able to still dock, right?”

To the best of my knowledge, Snatch has none of these problems and it shows in spades in the results, which are undisputable. If you have the isk, go with Snatch or even Solar Revenue Service, yet another example of the 0rphange not being able to curb stomp smaller but better organized and led opponents. I would add Everto Rex Regis to this list of quality. As it currently stands, the 0rphanage has some quality, principally in the form of the superb pilots of Project Nemesis. But the quality ends there and the mediocrity and stupidity begins and is endless.

Let the trolling begin!


Although I was not going to respond to this vitriolic thread the mention of my name albiet misspelt I thought I would try to clear somethings up, Firstly my name is spelt Telsiah.

Now getting back to Biggestboobies's publicity stunt, His favorite scapegoats are the government, the economy, the environment, society, parents, teachers, and just about everything else. His rash, loud prophecies are merely a distraction to keep us perennially behind the eight ball.

Rather, if you're like most people you just shrug your shoulders whenever you hear about Biggestboobies's latest solutions. When your shoulders get tired of shrugging I hope you'll realize that I avouch that it is not difficult to see the undercurrents of demagogism in Biggestboobies's practices

Juan Sezole
The Colonial Forces
Posted - 2010.08.04 15:23:00 - [108]
 

Didnt this thread die around the time of the last ice age??

other than that Necro O hai

Brian Badondi
Posted - 2010.08.06 11:09:00 - [109]
 

0rphanage must be doing something right, they're wiping the floor with the "2nd best alliance" in Eve.

Lexa HeIIfury
Incura
Posted - 2010.08.06 11:30:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: Brian Badondi
0rphanage must be doing something right, they're wiping the floor with the "2nd best alliance" in Eve.


Yeah, Garmon was like "Let's go brawl close range against 30 guys with our 9". And then Orphanage was like "Let's brawl these 9 guys with our 30" which is a vastly superior idea.

CyberRaver
Wildly Inappropriate
Posted - 2010.08.06 12:57:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Lexa HeIIfury
Originally by: Brian Badondi
0rphanage must be doing something right, they're wiping the floor with the "2nd best alliance" in Eve.


Yeah, Garmon was like "Let's go brawl close range against 30 guys with our 9". And then Orphanage was like "Let's brawl these 9 guys with our 30" which is a vastly superior idea.


Was a little surprised when 3 of your guys jumped in with the fleet there, the scout needs a kick up the arse for sure :)
We are enjoying our fights with you lot though, the second the war went live you brought a force to us which is rare
Either way should be an interesting week, win or lose

Lexa HeIIfury
Incura
Posted - 2010.08.06 13:18:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: CyberRaver
Was a little surprised when 3 of your guys jumped in with the fleet there, the scout needs a kick up the arse for sure :)


They kind of did it on purpose? Wink

Prozacxx
Caldari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.08.06 13:28:00 - [113]
 

Who would be mad enough to take on such a massive fleet with so small numbers???

What is this game turning into...

Qolde
Minmatar
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2010.08.06 19:59:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: Steintz
Originally by: Ja'Dur Deathwalker
Come on, they decced Gunmen of the apocalypse the other day who usually hang out in low sec not far from a high sec hub, and guess what, They didnt see a member of 0rphanage for the whole week they were decced.




Yes ... You are right

We only did 16 of them... Im deeply sorry.

Been more fun to see your alliance burn

Dear 0,
I forgot to thank you guys for killing some of our more carebearish members and high sec alts. Maybe one day you will come down and meet our actual combat pilots. Hint: No wardec is required.
XOXO,
Qolde

The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2010.08.06 20:46:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Qolde
Dear 0,
I forgot to thank you guys for killing some of our more carebearish members and high sec alts. Maybe one day you will come down and meet our actual combat pilots. Hint: No wardec is required.
XOXO,
Qolde


Dear Q,

Why .. when we're having fun on our terms in empire ... If you want to kick our teeth in .. why don't you travel from the 'land of milk and honey' and try it ...

hint ... our war decs are rotating .. so you can prepare for next time right now Wink


Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
Posted - 2010.08.06 22:40:00 - [116]
 

I think the Pitboss is funny.

Warlord Master
Critical Density
Posted - 2010.08.06 23:39:00 - [117]
 

Confirming El'Tar really didn't fix his sec. so he could kill any Orphans.

hellsknights
Element 115.
Posted - 2010.08.07 00:53:00 - [118]
 

I fell all warm inside.....come and play boys, we are easy to kill.

Thanks the the free advertising BooB.

Researcher 4148
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.08.07 01:20:00 - [119]
 

I will give orphanage credit where it is due. They recognized the worthless nature of the ex repo members and showed them the door.

Lolz. Whilst boasting of their own individual ability, being tossed out of their peers alliances seems to speak the truth.

Make sure you keep a safe distance from these skags, as the droppings of fail may stick in close proximity.

Kudos to orphanage for smelling it and cleaning their shoes promptly.

Dopekitten
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.08.07 06:10:00 - [120]
 

I believe the issue lies in the Orphange's inability to be flexible. Specifically with their tax rate.


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