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Manivald Kostaja
Posted - 2010.07.21 12:51:00 - [1]
 

help halp.

I have some stuff that needs to be moved from dodixie to amarr 10k m3? There are lots of similiar contracts available but for example 500m collateral dodixie amarr contract has only 1m reward?

Do people do these contracts even with such a pathetic reward? Or how much should I pay for the job?


ThisIsNotMyAlt
Posted - 2010.07.21 13:00:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Manivald Kostaja
help halp.

I have some stuff that needs to be moved from dodixie to amarr 10k m3? There are lots of similiar contracts available but for example 500m collateral dodixie amarr contract has only 1m reward?

Do people do these contracts even with such a pathetic reward? Or how much should I pay for the job?




base the reward off the distance, not the collateral. set collateral to a few mil above what your stuff is worth.
and yes people do haul your stuff for incredible small rewards.

Mazen Alane
Posted - 2010.07.21 14:55:00 - [3]
 

A Freighter has what? 960k cargo space?

That'd be 96 of your courier orders at 1m isk reward each (If there were so many available and people had the cash as collateral available) . Not too bad imho.

Just keep the collateral above the items values and tax at 500k per jump (depends on low / highsec etc). The contract will get filled (though it might be a day or so).

Also worth a check: http://red-frog.org/faq.php

ThisIsNotMyAlt
Posted - 2010.07.21 15:01:00 - [4]
 

500k per jump is much to high. you will easily get your stuff hauled in high sec for about 50k per jump and even less.

SpyAlt122
Posted - 2010.07.21 15:08:00 - [5]
 


Or make profit some other way. Put up a courier mission that has a few assembled shuttles, ask for 2B collateral and then waste the courier.

LuckyQuarter
Gallente
Lucky Galactic Expeditions
Posted - 2010.07.21 15:17:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: LuckyQuarter on 21/07/2010 15:21:57
The problem with courier contracts is a relatively high supply of haulers compared to demand. Yes, you can probably get a small amount of cargo moved from Dodi to Jita or Amarr for 500K even if you wait long enough. The smaller the cargo, the greater the likely hood. Still, I think most smart freighter pilots end up doing hauling as supplemental source as income rather than primary. Even if you could fit 86 contracts in one haul, you're not going to be able to find them....most regions only have a few jita contracts created every hour, many of them for low amounts (even 100K isk)...and spending all day going around regions of eve to get that one optimum load is not effective. Honestly, the best way to ensure a good pilot will pick up your stuff is to put 3 days rather than 1 in the duration field. This allows them to bundle/optimize -- but is relatively unpopular.

Note -- if you want courier contracts picked up quickly, price contract at 1% of collateral. 2% would be fair if supply/demand was not so unbalanced. Note that it is collateral rather than cargo space that usually is the limiting factor in how many contracts can be hauled at once.....freighter pilots are hesitant to move more than 1B of collateral in one haul.

Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2010.07.21 15:37:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Abdiel Kavash on 21/07/2010 15:38:21
Originally by: ThisIsNotMyAlt
500k per jump is much to high. you will easily get your stuff hauled in high sec for about 50k per jump and even less.


Unless you need it there NOW, I pay out 500k per trip, 1 mil if it is long (I mean LONG long - 40 jumps or w/e) or through lowsec. The contracts still get accepted within a day or two. If you need it there NOW, haul it yourself.

Reason? I am going from A to B, and look, there is a contract from A+1 to B-2, let's take it with me and make some extra ISK for no effort. Multiply by how many people play EVE and you get a reasonable chance of somebody willing to take it.

All in all, while there are people willing to work for slave wages, I see no reason to pay them more.

PinkFish
Posted - 2010.07.21 17:25:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: PinkFish on 21/07/2010 17:25:59
I routinely ship stuff back and forth with a partner in high sec. Our usual contracts are between Jita and Rens (a good amount of jumps). We compete to see who can spend less for hauling an average of around 100k m3. Currently my record is 25k isk, accepted within a day. Thats with over a billion in collateral, mind you.

Sometimes I keep prices higher just because I feel bad for people who would do these jobs. The truth of the economic chopping-block that EVE has become is that you can pay pretty much whatever you like and someone will haul your stuff. You could probably do it for free if you throw in some role-playing description.

Hrm, I'm going to have to test that. If I babble on about amarr long enough I wonder if someone will pay me to haul my goods.

Gabriel Rosencrantz
Gods of Freight
Posted - 2010.07.21 21:17:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Gabriel Rosencrantz on 21/07/2010 21:18:01
Just ship it with Red Frog Freight. Join us in channel RF Freight.

ThisIsNotMyAlt
Posted - 2010.07.21 23:02:00 - [10]
 

the prices on the red frog website are unrealistic. 350k per jump ? Laughing
you will get your stuff shipped alot cheaper by just setting up a public contract.
i never pay more than 50k per jump and i have my stuff hauled very regulary and
i never wait longer than a day for someone to accept the contract.

Vasaczk
Posted - 2010.07.21 23:55:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: ThisIsNotMyAlt
the prices on the red frog website are unrealistic. 350k per jump ? Laughing
you will get your stuff shipped alot cheaper by just setting up a public contract.
i never pay more than 50k per jump and i have my stuff hauled very regulary and
i never wait longer than a day for someone to accept the contract.

I barely even look at courier contracts these days, and I love the idea of hauling.

People just value their time so ******edly low and take something requiring ~5+ jumps for 50k >.<

Red frog is exspensive, but they are reliable.

I just wish there were more middle ground (indy size) hauling contract available. I point blame at ******ed haulers rather than Red Frog being greedy.

LuckyQuarter
Gallente
Lucky Galactic Expeditions
Posted - 2010.07.22 10:26:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: LuckyQuarter on 22/07/2010 10:26:25
If you are moving stuff in Gallente regions, you can get stuff moved very reliably (up to freighter loads) via Lucky Galactic Hauling:

$235K isk per 50K m3 of cargo (rounded up to nearest increment of 50K m3)
$ 50K isk per jump or additional delivery (min 1 jump)
$ 50K isk for every 25M of collateral (rounded up)

Courier runs are made twice/day. $750M ISK Collateral Limit.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1353246

(note, I was going to avoid advertising our services in this topic, but if redfrog can get away with it, we should too!)

Kane Portnoy
Posted - 2010.07.22 11:08:00 - [13]
 

i sometimes take some courier contracts (highsec) and go for them afk watching some tv or anything else.

it is much more effective to get some 2-3mil isk while hauling afk instead of sitting with your character in station.

sometimes you get really good contracts (took one with 600mil collateral and 20m reward for highsec only) but i have to agree the demand for those courier's is much lower than the supply of haulers.

personally i am very sad about haulerpilots are not allowed to get on alliance 0.0 stations.
belonging this point i would be interested into some freight hauling corps doing npc 0.0 station business.
you can write ma an evemail with price offerings.


kingrat
Posted - 2010.07.23 01:59:00 - [14]
 

50k per jump in a freighter.... 20 jumps for a million isk... Some people have such little respect for their own time. You can make more money mining in .9 sec. Won't even get into the fact that after your collateral and the cost of your ship.. you could be risking upwards of over a billion isk everytime you leave a station... for 50k a jump??

kingrat
Posted - 2010.07.23 03:16:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: kingrat on 23/07/2010 03:17:01
So it would take you 13000 jumps just to pay off your freighter... sounds like fun me .... gah or 650 20 jump trips.... and then u can start making money.. I think these people crazy enough to do this job should at least make a decent living in this game.

Pooshka
Posted - 2010.07.23 06:44:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Pooshka on 23/07/2010 06:48:56
what I find is that if you put up a contract reward for anything over a million it gets picked up pretty quick. Volume/collateral/distance don't seem to be that much of a issue. In general, when i'm trading I do courier contracts if I can make 10%+ profit once it reaches the destination and sells. This means that when I'm moving something with X hundred million collateral, I'm expecting to make x-tens of million upon sales, i.e. I don't mind rewarding the hauler a generous sum of a few million.

clixoras
Posted - 2010.07.25 07:41:00 - [17]
 

Does anyone know a channel where you can advertise courier contracts?

Laxyr
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.07.25 13:32:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: clixoras
Does anyone know a channel where you can advertise courier contracts?


There is a mailinglist for such purposes called "The Courier Hub"

On a sidenote, I love to do courier contracts. Lowsec/NPC 0.0 about 5k m for 3mil + depending on the jumps / sec status of the systems. There are suprisingly many of those contracts available.

Regards, Lax

Dracnys
Caldari
Posted - 2010.07.25 17:01:00 - [19]
 

If you have enough time on hand you can just make laughably low reward with a high collateral. With a bit less time but more contract slots split the stuff so it fits into an industrial and again, laughably low reward.
My courier contracts are usually high-reward, as I can't afford to have capital tied up in an outstanding contract. Sometimes I pay more than the mentioned 500k jump for a very urgent delivery, which results in very very quick completition (gets accepted within minutes, in Jita probably less than a minute). Furthermore I'd recommend Red Frog Freight, even though they're kind of expensive in comparison to those joke rewards, they deliver fast and reliable.

Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Posted - 2010.07.25 18:29:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: kingrat
Edited by: kingrat on 23/07/2010 03:17:01
So it would take you 13000 jumps just to pay off your freighter... sounds like fun me .... gah or 650 20 jump trips.... and then u can start making money.. I think these people crazy enough to do this job should at least make a decent living in this game.


Hint: they're probably already hauling something more worthwhile if either end of the journey is at a trade hub, and the courier contract just nets them a little bit extra on the side for no additional effort.

Faccat
Posted - 2010.07.25 20:16:00 - [21]
 

Collateral is absolutely meaningful to reward, especially if you're in the industrial range of haulers (2000-40000) range. If you're going to risk a billion for 1 million profit, you need to complete 99.9% of your runs just to break even, not including the cost of your ship. There are any number of reasons you might not complete a mission: ganked, ISP problems, hardware problems, etc... When you're looking at 1000:1 ratios, you are into that territory of chance that you might have to walk away from the computer and can't come back for a day.

Secondly, there is the opportunity cost. With the billion:million example, I can easily make a million without moving anywhere through trade.

In the industrial range, ganking is a real possibility for things above a certain level, so collateral is again meaningful.

That said, most of these cheap contracts are picked up by people who are already heading to that location. If you're heading into a trade hub you may as well see if there is something that is headed that way.

My experience, however, is that the hauling market is too tight. So I switched to trading. I've even made a lot of distance trades hiring haulers for cheap. The margins on some items are much higher than it costs to hire someone to move them. And I take no risk and very little time to do it.

Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.07.25 20:27:00 - [22]
 

Dude if you set your collateral higher then what your stuff is worth then people are just going to accept it and sell your crap for luls.

Collateral should never be more then 150% of your reward price.

Shar Tegral
Posted - 2010.07.25 21:29:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Xenuria
Dude if you set your collateral higher then what your stuff is worth then people are just going to accept it and sell your crap for luls. Collateral should never be more then 150% of your reward price.
Please, anyone reading this: Do not follow this advice.

If you do, please contact me for your transport needs. I'll show you why this is so full of fail - quick.

PS: Really, this is about the worst possible advice somebody can give.

Scott McClellan
Forum Posters Anonymous
Posted - 2010.07.25 22:06:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Xenuria
Dude if you set your collateral higher then what your stuff is worth then people are just going to accept it and sell your crap for luls.

Collateral should never be more then 150% of your reward price.


Not only does this even make any sense, but shar is right, it is horrible advice.

Collateral should be set at more than you plan to receive for the sale of the items. In order to move contracts faster I usually use around 1.3-2x my planned sell value, that way if they run off with it or die I get instant money, and more than expected.

Mazen Alane
Posted - 2010.07.26 17:38:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Xenuria
Dude if you set your collateral higher then what your stuff is worth then people are just going to accept it and sell your crap for luls.

Collateral should never be more then 150% of your reward price.


Go ahead and open them. Then I can save the hassle of actually putting up all the Items onto the Market and still have my profit saved.

Ave Volta
Perkone
Posted - 2010.07.26 19:14:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: ThisIsNotMyAlt
the prices on the red frog website are unrealistic. 350k per jump ? Laughing


Our 17,000 completed courier contracts this year would beg to differ with you. Smile

Beyond excellent service and reliability we offer the ability to move massive volumes very quickly. Need 15,000,000 m3 moved in the next 24 hours? No problem. Send us your contracts. We do that all the time.

adriaans
Amarr
Ankaa.
Nair Al-Zaurak
Posted - 2010.07.26 19:23:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Ave Volta
Originally by: ThisIsNotMyAlt
the prices on the red frog website are unrealistic. 350k per jump ? Laughing


Our 17,000 completed courier contracts this year would beg to differ with you. Smile

Beyond excellent service and reliability we offer the ability to move massive volumes very quickly. Need 15,000,000 m3 moved in the next 24 hours? No problem. Send us your contracts. We do that all the time.


you're max collateral of 1b sucks big time though... you're fast, but that's the ONLY thing you have that makes the service worth it.


Ave Volta
Perkone
Posted - 2010.07.26 19:58:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: adriaans

you're max collateral of 1b sucks big time though... you're fast, but that's the ONLY thing you have that makes the service worth it.




The collateral limit is for security. You won't find fast and reliable if it's not secure.

Aluka 7th
Amarr
Posted - 2010.07.29 07:39:00 - [29]
 

Collateral is only equal to value of stuff u transport. You can't tell from that what profit is on that item.
Maybe someone bought implant for 200mil and want to sell it for 205mil, now to pay 1 mil for transport is a lot for that guy (20% profit).

So only focus on transport fee and 4get about collateral.
When I need to move stuff between systems that already have lot of freighter traffic (Jita-Amarr-Dod-Rens and all system on the way) then fee is 1-5isk per m3 per jump, depending how fast show stuff be moved. When you need it moved to more obscure places then raise the fee. Roughly i use this for between hub transport:
Cargo can fit frigate (<240m3, 2x120) - 1isk per m3 per jump
Cargo can fit industrial (<15600m3, 4x3900) - 3isk per
Cargo needs freighter (>15600m3) - 4-5isk per

JanusFinnegan
Posted - 2010.07.29 22:14:00 - [30]
 

Just a quick note form a very satisfied Red Frog user. My stuff was hauled extremly quick and the price so many of you complain about...In my point of view it is cheap as hell, i even felt a bit shady and gave 5m extra for an 2h delivery from contract up to finished.


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