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Jason1138
Posted - 2010.07.17 14:55:00 - [1]
 

in CCP Zulu's new blog he basically acts like you guys are crazy for reporting that CCP has all their resources for the next year tied up on Incarna, and also suggests that the CSM minutes are factually incorrect or incomplete and give people the wrong idea of what the CCP/CSM interaction really was like


then in the rest of the blog he pretty much confirms everything you guys have been saying about CCP's general direction and attitudes. also i thought the minutes were reviewed by CCP before being posted?


so, regardless of what our opinions are on those directions and attitudes i was just wondering if any of you wanted to comment on the general tone he was taking with the minutes and these "rumors and half truths" you guys are spreading around? Not trying to start anything I just wondered what your reactions were

thanks in advance

Mynxee
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.07.17 15:56:00 - [2]
 

I'm not fussed. Everyone at an event will come away with a different impression. The CSM's job is to report on events in a manner that accurately reflects their opinion and perspective. We did that in the Minutes, in blog posts, on Twitter and via other social media. CCP Zulu's dev blog--and responses in that thread (curiously none from Zulu in the first 17 pages) and others--are just CCP doing the same for themselves...if a bit late to the party.

The evidence pretty much speaks for itself. P(l)ayers are smart enough to see it and furthermore, to read between the lines.

Of greater concern to me is CSM's lack of any effective, timely communications channel with CCP. I don't see how CSM can work productively with CCP on behalf of players if that situation is not addressed in a more satisfactory way by CCP.

The role and objectives of the CSM going forward is a topic under discussion among CSM delegates. If the status quo--particularly with regard to communication and response to CSM issues--on CCP's side does not change, it seems to me that the CSM will have to evolve in ways that will allow it to work on players' behalf in spite of roadblocks and lack of communication from CCP. To be honest, I think that evolution has already begun. However, where we go from here is not clear yet.


farfrael
FP Enterprise
Posted - 2010.07.17 16:27:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Mynxee
I'm not fussed. Everyone at an event will come away with a different impression. The CSM's job is to report on events in a manner that accurately reflects their opinion and perspective. We did that in the Minutes, in blog posts, on Twitter and via other social media. CCP Zulu's dev blog--and responses in that thread (curiously none from Zulu in the first 17 pages) and others--are just CCP doing the same for themselves...if a bit late to the party.

The evidence pretty much speaks for itself. P(l)ayers are smart enough to see it and furthermore, to read between the lines.

Of greater concern to me is CSM's lack of any effective, timely communications channel with CCP. I don't see how CSM can work productively with CCP on behalf of players if that situation is not addressed in a more satisfactory way by CCP.

The role and objectives of the CSM going forward is a topic under discussion among CSM delegates. If the status quo--particularly with regard to communication and response to CSM issues--on CCP's side does not change, it seems to me that the CSM will have to evolve in ways that will allow it to work on players' behalf in spite of roadblocks and lack of communication from CCP. To be honest, I think that evolution has already begun. However, where we go from here is not clear yet.




You go Mynxee!
FWIW, Have entire confidence in you and the other CSM

Delilah Wild
Posted - 2010.07.17 19:19:00 - [4]
 

I agree. Its great the CSM is finding a way through the bureaucratic tangle. Is it appropriate for someone on the CSM to give us an inkling of what alternative methods might be in the offing? Or is that premature at this point in time?

Delilah

Mynxee
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.07.17 22:13:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Delilah Wild
I agree. Its great the CSM is finding a way through the bureaucratic tangle. Is it appropriate for someone on the CSM to give us an inkling of what alternative methods might be in the offing? Or is that premature at this point in time?


We are only just starting to think about it...it's still at a conversation level at this point. I'm sure when/if any strategy changes are determined, you'll see that reflected both in our social media outlets and actions Wink

Delilah Wild
Posted - 2010.07.18 04:10:00 - [6]
 

KK. Good speed at working within and outside CCP. You folks have been doing fine work. I'm sure you will let us know when we can be of help.

Delilah

Cromo Effect
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2010.07.18 09:56:00 - [7]
 

My favorite part was where Vul kept good on his promise to the community and really let CCP have it about that lag cluster **** where super caps were spawned back after they jumped out.

The right decision was made.

:brofist: Cool

Javis Wral
Posted - 2010.07.18 12:38:00 - [8]
 

thanks for doing such a great job representing our point of view to the developers, and owners of the company. They seem to be focused on other things right now, but I still have hope that there heart is in the right place.

Jason1138
Posted - 2010.07.19 16:19:00 - [9]
 

reading CCP Zulu's latest devblog and the resulting threadnaught, i have lost that hope


the only way CCP will address player issues is if they are forced to by economic realities, it seems to me

Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.07.19 19:04:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Jason1138

the only way CCP will address player issues is if they are forced to by economic realities, it seems to me


The realities are already here, question is if we can make them see them in time..

RDNx 02
Posted - 2010.07.20 11:45:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: RDNx 02 on 20/07/2010 11:47:15
Edited by: RDNx 02 on 20/07/2010 11:46:52
Edited by: RDNx 02 on 20/07/2010 11:46:11
Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Jason1138

the only way CCP will address player issues is if they are forced to by economic realities, it seems to me


The realities are already here, question is if we can make them see them in time..


In time for what?

the death of EVE?

This is not a troll post, but a genuine question.

Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
Posted - 2010.07.20 20:12:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: RDNx 02
In time for what?

the death of EVE?


I doubt it'll get that bad. Let's just say "in time to avoid serious damage to Eve's brand and player base".

Bunyip
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2010.08.14 17:41:00 - [13]
 

I can't say it was a smooth ride in CSM 2 (with Pattern and the POS exploit), but I really must commend CSM 5 on their dedication and efficacy in this term. Kudos guys, and keep up the good work.

As to whether Eve is dead, I don't think Eve will ever die - some peoples' lives are tied up in it. However, this might be worse than the T2O event, and only time will reveal the truth about that.

Like the current CSM, I love this game and don't want to see it die. If you guys need anything I can be of help with, just let me know.


 

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