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Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2010.07.15 08:43:00 - [121]
 

Originally by: Charlemeign
Edited by: Charlemeign on 15/07/2010 08:36:30
Wow, another Dev doing something totally irrelevant to to make the enormous amount of problems with this game seem less irrelevant. I would have nev..


You seem to have stumbled into the wrong forums. Allow me to assist you.

The World of Warcraft forums for whinney little kiddies are that way ->

C.

Freyya
Advanced Planetary Exports
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2010.07.15 08:54:00 - [122]
 

Frack it, I voted for poking the TQ park and i'll do it again.
Frack the minor impact it will have on day to day life in the alliance arena. They all want to have lag free fights so if they start wining about extra lag or dropouts then tell em to shove it up a hole no sun will ever shine. TQ is where it happens and TQ is where it needs to be poked at.

I propose a dare to you Tanis.
Drop into fleetfight systems, say in local you're poking the server to find the cause for lag and finally be able to fix it, apologise for any extra inconveniece it might cause but that they're fracked either way so stop wining. Ohh and say the logs won't show a thing so petitions will have no effect either way.

Get results from 1000+ fleetfights with ALL the things that happen in normal combat.

Anyone that thinks that is a bad idea and doesn't want their little fleet fight (for as much as you can call it a fight) interrupted or perhaps even get kicked off the server. Shove it where the sun will never shine... First people whine about CCP not doing enough to fix the lag but then people will whine about CCP fixing the lag most likelyRolling Eyes

TL;DR: POKE TQ WITH A 1000 YEAR OLD RAINFORREST TREE WHEN A FLEETFIGHT IS HAPPENING CCP!
Tell anyone that whines to **** off since you're doing what they want; Trying to find a cause and fix lag. a few more fracked up fleetfights aint gonna hurt anyone much more than it already has.

Please do not evade the profanity filter. Zymurgist

Midge Mo'yb
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.07.15 09:05:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: Freyya
Frack it, I voted for poking the TQ park and i'll do it again.
Frack the minor impact it will have on day to day life in the alliance arena. They all want to have lag free fights so if they start wining about extra lag or dropouts then tell em to shove it up a hole no sun will ever shine. TQ is where it happens and TQ is where it needs to be poked at.

I propose a dare to you Tanis.
Drop into fleetfight systems, say in local you're poking the server to find the cause for lag and finally be able to fix it, apologise for any extra inconveniece it might cause but that they're fracked either way so stop wining. Ohh and say the logs won't show a thing so petitions will have no effect either way.

Get results from 1000+ fleetfights with ALL the things that happen in normal combat.

Anyone that thinks that is a bad idea and doesn't want their little fleet fight (for as much as you can call it a fight) interrupted or perhaps even get kicked off the server. Shove it where the sun will never shine... First people whine about CCP not doing enough to fix the lag but then people will whine about CCP fixing the lag most likelyRolling Eyes

TL;DR: POKE TQ WITH A 1000 YEAR OLD RAINFORREST TREE WHEN A FLEETFIGHT IS HAPPENING CCP!
Tell anyone that whines to **** off since you're doing what they want; Trying to find a cause and fix lag. a few more fracked up fleetfights aint gonna hurt anyone much more than it already has.

Please do not evade the profanity filter. Zymurgist


this, TQ has progressed the the point that sisi is no longer a relevant test, you cant get enough people on to stress the server like TQ gets thus problems will never be found until tq is poked, dont even tell them poke when you think there is data to be gained and an insight to be found. develop some tools that have as little effect as possible on the fight.

you wont fix TQ till you start diagnosing on TQ

TheBlueMonkey
Gallente
Fags R Us
Posted - 2010.07.15 09:06:00 - [124]
 

Originally by: CCP Tanis

  • Wear a kilt and war-paint

  • Dress up as an exotic dancer for the next CCP staff-meeting

  • Answer petitions for a day, wearing a wig, dress, and high-heels

  • Dye my hair pink

  • [/list]



    That it?
    None of that is anything special, I mean, oh the crazeyness of dressing up like a woman.... Dasty does that all the time!!

    What about you give all participant 500mil on the live server?
    That's not enough to break any wars but it's enough to get people on and playing.

    I've skipped a load of posts so kill me if this is a duplicate but please, if you're going to go for a "prove me wrong" bet then give the winning side something rather than.

    "Ha, dressed like a lady"

    Dryoghan
    Caldari
    Silver Star Federation
    On the Rocks
    Posted - 2010.07.15 09:26:00 - [125]
     

    i agree with bluemonkey seeing you dress in some woman clothes isn't anything special
    a better one would be if all of CCP would go to Jita get the most expensive ships and fits they can find and then turn hostile to everybody and watch as players release stress by killing their most favorite Dev/game designer Very Happy
    you can even make a Dev blog about it calling it CCP goes on strike

    now that would make people join the mass tests

    Comrade Obamba
    Posted - 2010.07.15 09:38:00 - [126]
     

    If the goal is increased participation then it must be incentivized.
    You're asking pilots to give up productive time from the real virtual world.
    No offense but seeing pictures of a guy with pink hair wearing a dress and high heels isn't going to do it for most.
    That sort of thing work for intra-office motivation where ppl are invested in seeing the person humiliated.
    The best way to get that sacrifice out of your paying base is to offer incentive they will desire.
    Offer some appropriate number of skill points for participation and you'll be turning people away.

    CCP Veritas

    Posted - 2010.07.15 09:47:00 - [127]
     

    Originally by: Freyya
    Frack the minor impact it will have on day to day life in the alliance arena.


    If I could be sure it'd only affect the fight I'm experimenting on, I'd be with ya. All the nodes are on the same cluster though, so unintended casualties happen. For instance, one experimental fix we've been trying out on TQ recently accidentally torched Jita during prime time.

    Jarnis McPieksu
    H A V O C
    Against ALL Authorities
    Posted - 2010.07.15 09:59:00 - [128]
     

    Originally by: CCP Veritas
    Originally by: Freyya
    Frack the minor impact it will have on day to day life in the alliance arena.


    If I could be sure it'd only affect the fight I'm experimenting on, I'd be with ya. All the nodes are on the same cluster though, so unintended casualties happen. For instance, one experimental fix we've been trying out on TQ recently accidentally torched Jita during prime time.


    And nothing of value was lost... Jita, the hive of scum, villainy and 24/7 local scam spam.

    Midge Mo'yb
    Bat Country
    Goonswarm Federation
    Posted - 2010.07.15 10:02:00 - [129]
     

    Originally by: CCP Veritas
    Originally by: Freyya
    Frack the minor impact it will have on day to day life in the alliance arena.


    If I could be sure it'd only affect the fight I'm experimenting on, I'd be with ya. All the nodes are on the same cluster though, so unintended casualties happen. For instance, one experimental fix we've been trying out on TQ recently accidentally torched Jita during prime time.


    a neccisary casualty, maybe the act of experimenting on TQ will lead you to create tools that avoid torching systems - again SISI is no longer adequate to test for TQ you will never get the same results as you can never recreate TQ with 500 people. maybe there are issues that only crop up on tq because of its massive size/load/structure.

    so long as your not crashing 100 systems a day and only when you are trying to gather data that will help fix TQ then it is a neccissary evil IMO

    Bomberlocks
    Minmatar
    CTRL-Q
    Posted - 2010.07.15 10:15:00 - [130]
     

    If you pay me, then I'll come to your mass testing. As it is, I think you are trying to get free work done for you by your customers. And if you can't afford to hire 500 people to run through some one or two hour sessions, then very possibly, CCP is far worse off than your ridiculous hubris always claims it is.....

    Bomberlocks
    Minmatar
    CTRL-Q
    Posted - 2010.07.15 10:18:00 - [131]
     

    Originally by: CCP Veritas
    ...For instance, one experimental fix we've been trying out on TQ recently accidentally torched Jita during prime time.
    Was that the one called Eve Online?

    TheBlueMonkey
    Gallente
    Fags R Us
    Posted - 2010.07.15 10:38:00 - [132]
     

    Edited by: TheBlueMonkey on 15/07/2010 10:38:56
    Originally by: CCP Veritas
    Originally by: Freyya
    Frack the minor impact it will have on day to day life in the alliance arena.


    If I could be sure it'd only affect the fight I'm experimenting on, I'd be with ya. All the nodes are on the same cluster though, so unintended casualties happen. For instance, one experimental fix we've been trying out on TQ recently accidentally torched Jita during prime time.


    You're refusing to turn the fire sprinklers on because "the carpet will get wet" as the house burns to the ground.

    edit:
    That's assuming you tell us that "you're going to be expeimenting on x to make y better so be aware weird **** might happen"

    Freyya
    Advanced Planetary Exports
    Intergalactic Exports Group
    Posted - 2010.07.15 10:57:00 - [133]
     

    Edited by: Freyya on 15/07/2010 11:02:01
    Edited by: Freyya on 15/07/2010 10:58:02
    Originally by: CCP Veritas
    Originally by: Freyya
    Frack the minor impact it will have on day to day life in the alliance arena.


    If I could be sure it'd only affect the fight I'm experimenting on, I'd be with ya. All the nodes are on the same cluster though, so unintended casualties happen. For instance, one experimental fix we've been trying out on TQ recently accidentally torched Jita during prime time.


    You accidentally the whole Jita? Good man!Give him a medal!Pay raise! Anything!
    If experimental fixes and a collateral damage report every now and then is what will fix Eve, then so be it. Even if you're not doing experimental fixes Jita still feels the load after it goes on for so long. Even if people will scream murder and death (as we all do, i admit) when things are fixed because you burned Jita to the ground 3 times no-one will complain.

    If you break a bone do you still whine to the doctor who gave you grief because he had to pull it back in alignment once it's healed? No you thank him because you understand that what he did was neccesary to get healed properly, even if it ment biting off your tongue at that moment. If people start leaving because sometimes Jita gets a bit laggy, which it does anyways so...???, they'll be back not before long because they read on the forums that everything is now 10 times better. Worth the effort and pain.

    Fleetfights would improve over time back to pre dominion levels and perhaps even beyond so people start telling their friends again; Hey you know the game i told you about that has massive fleetfights as a selling point but wasn't actually worth the trouble because you wouldn't even see one ship before you crashed and died? THEY FIXED IT SO COME ON AND JOIN!

    Equals influx of old and new players that look forward to actually being able to carve out their patch of space again in my book.

    Like said before me by a wise man; (slightly adjusted)
    You're afraid of turning on the sprinklers because the carpet will get wet, while the 1000 story building is burning and starting to crash in around you with senior and newborn people bailing out before that happens.

    TQ will creak and burst at some of the testing sure, but by revealing where the seams and cracks are you can fix them up so you have a 100% foundation again.

    Edit; besides, the logs don't show anything anyways so what's the problem? Wink

    EDIT 2;
    You still get fleetfight notifications right? Send out a cluster wide warning box that experimental testing will be conducted to make Eve a better place for all. Give em 5-10 minutes with a warning timer box like before DT to get their miner, missionrunner or whatever to safety and run the test. Anyone who didn't listen or pay attention is f*cked and has only themselves to blaim at that point.

    Jamyl TashMurkon
    Amarr
    Posted - 2010.07.15 11:14:00 - [134]
     

    You should fix the lag instead of going around in a dress.

    Tres Farmer
    Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
    Posted - 2010.07.15 11:24:00 - [135]
     

    Originally by: CCP Veritas
    Originally by: Freyya
    Frack the minor impact it will have on day to day life in the alliance arena.

    If I could be sure it'd only affect the fight I'm experimenting on, I'd be with ya. All the nodes are on the same cluster though, so unintended casualties happen. For instance, one experimental fix we've been trying out on TQ recently accidentally torched Jita during prime time.

    Can't you run your special code on the null-sec nodes only if you're so concerned about the high-sec-dwellers and the petition avalanche incoming after a hickup of the experimental code?
    I thought each blade had it's own HDD with the server code on it and that the systems where assigned to that blade.. keep a copy of the normal failback/failover there too.. if **** hits the fan switch over and get back to status quo.

    It's obvious to most of the players and prob some CCP DEVs (the ones working on it and offering them selfes as object of mockery) that you don't get enough people onto Sisi to get the data you want..

    How long do you want to drag this along?
    What if this offer of CCP Tanis doesn't catch up?
    What do you want to do next? StevieSG in lingerie? Really? Or every participant get's x number of SP/items/whatever?

    If that what blobbers say is true, you can't screw up 0.0 fleet fights much more..
    We're 7 months after Dominion now and there is NO silver lining on the horizon.
    Put your experimental code onto the null-sec blades/nodes/whatever and have a go with it.. you can't possibly make it worse.
    Get some logs onto the server that show something.

    Krod Mandoon
    Posted - 2010.07.15 11:37:00 - [136]
     

    Hey instead of the 4000 posts, that read: "WAHH ::tears:: ::rage:: ::Emo:: CCP is trying to fix the problems but I'm a whiny little know it all and have to complain about how they're doing it. Clearly all their engineers are incompitent and should listen to me, because I am the smartest person in the world!" Why don't all of you curl your E-peens back up, stick them back in your pants, and let the grown ups talk... we aren't impressed. CCP Good luck diagnosing the problem, I'll be there if I can, and I want to see tanis Dress up like braveheart and lead a raid on Blizzard entertainment head quarters (just don't hurt the starcraft team)

    cyclobs
    Minmatar
    Posted - 2010.07.15 11:41:00 - [137]
     

    /supported

    Must be posted on youtube for epic lols Laughing

    doc 21o6
    Posted - 2010.07.15 11:49:00 - [138]
     

    Edited by: doc 21o6 on 15/07/2010 11:51:15
    Edited by: doc 21o6 on 15/07/2010 11:49:33
    EvE is poisened by fat 40+ yrs old no-life-small-*****-scum with a bloated ego
    and no real self esteem.

    You whining kids should be locked out of the game.

    CCP ... go ahead, test on TQ.
    Really ... it doesn't matter anyway, those f****** morons will whine anyhow.

    Actually, it would be great if you'd just **** them off so much,
    that they leave ... and the average IQ in EvE can raise again.

    thx ... and why is the forum ignoring which char i've chosen? :)

    (now test and fix the damn lag already :)

    EdFromHumanResources
    Caldari
    GoonWaffe
    Goonswarm Federation
    Posted - 2010.07.15 12:55:00 - [139]
     

    Originally by: DJ Obsidian
    Originally by: EdFromHumanResources
    [

    Some of the worst lag I ever experience comes from jump bridging into a fight, not jumping through a gate. Why does there seem to be a massive difference in load time for jump bridging or going through a gate? Do you even realize there's a difference?





    That was one of the most intelligent things posted then it got dumb after that. Good Idea though. During the mass test a thing to check during a mass test, instead of jumping into the system by way of gates, have 3 fleets - 1 defend, 1 attack, and 1 bridge/hotdrop in.


    Actually the mass tests need to farther than that to simulate an attack, they already have people jump in via cyno in their caps, all like 20 of us. Once in system the fleets never move off the gate, the fight never moves to another system. People just sit at 0 on a gate and have at it, it's kind of like getting twenty preschoolers together to fight eachother and saying you're testing for MMA fighting. I think podding is definitely important, what if the server attempting to session change 300 dead people is part of what ****s it so hard? We'd have no idea with the way we test on SISI.

    Pan Crastus
    Anti-Metagaming League
    Posted - 2010.07.15 13:36:00 - [140]
     

    bah, just start a lottery for some old rare ship (guardian vexor anyone?) among all participants of the mass testing. ;-)

    DemonKezzington
    Amarr
    Imperial Shipment
    Posted - 2010.07.15 13:40:00 - [141]
     

    how about u wear a man kini

    or dress up as an exotic dancer with a starp on? =D

    lol now that wud make for some great pics and you would have a record 40000 poeple do mass testing =D

    Catari Taga
    Centre Of Attention
    Middle of Nowhere
    Posted - 2010.07.15 13:55:00 - [142]
     

    OP will easily win his bet for many reasons, only one of them being that the last few SiSi builds are just crashing for me anyway.

    Fearless M0F0
    Incursion PWNAGE Asc
    Posted - 2010.07.15 14:03:00 - [143]
     

    Good try but since these mass test are for new stuff instead of figuring the fleet lag you introduced in Dominion I'll pass.

    Let me know when you program a mass test event to specifically address what you guys screwed up in Dominion and I'll join.

    Glasson
    Posted - 2010.07.15 14:23:00 - [144]
     

    Suggestion: Deliver the results of the testing in a video dev blog while dressed as an exotic dancer while dancing as said exotics do... on a pole.


    Cyrus Doul
    E0 Corp
    Posted - 2010.07.15 14:33:00 - [145]
     

    wait a sec, i just had an idea. If sisi is weird about stuff like that on the fact that the server is one node or whatever. why not just take volunteers to Jove space, seed the station and give them a hour for everyone to get fits ready. It would hopefully make it so you don't accidentally the whole server. If you set stuff to like .01 isk per unit I don't think people would care. Just no seeding skill books or implants as those can be snuck back out in people's heads.

    Cronan Vile
    Caldari
    Posted - 2010.07.15 15:13:00 - [146]
     

    Suggestion.

    Run a Marathon for a charity of the EVE communitys choice.

    I think you should make the forfit more of a challenge and someone should benefit from all the nefarious villany of EVE.

    D

    Ourico
    Posted - 2010.07.15 15:26:00 - [147]
     

    Get us a BeerShip!

    Abdiel Kavash
    Caldari
    Paladin Order
    Fidelas Constans
    Posted - 2010.07.15 15:32:00 - [148]
     

    Edited by: Abdiel Kavash on 15/07/2010 15:34:02
    Even a minor token of gratitude (100k SP - less than a day of training? Unique ship along the lines of the event ones? Flashy graphics modules (pink smartbombs?) otherwise equal to the standard TII ones?) would certainly convince more people to spend their time on the tests. Acting like a moron for the amusement of all the 12 year old kids? Hell no, I'd rather spin my ship in station OMG PLANETZ! CCP needs to realize that just like minerals you mine yourself, testers you get from your playerbase are not free.

    EVE Online: the only game where it's up to the players to debug the game code.

    Cronan Vile
    Caldari
    Posted - 2010.07.15 15:33:00 - [149]
     

    that would work too...Laughing

    Bucky O'Hair
    Minmatar
    Minmatar Ship Construction Services
    Ushra'Khan
    Posted - 2010.07.15 16:01:00 - [150]
     

    Wear a kilt and war-paint

    Dress up as an exotic dancer

    Dye my hair pink

    All three of these,

    only not around the office,

    Do it at Fan Fest!!!!

    Laughing



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