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CCP Fallout

Posted - 2010.07.13 12:35:00 - [31]
 

Do you REALLY want to see Tanis in a kilt????!!!!

Sturmwolke
Posted - 2010.07.13 12:39:00 - [32]
 

If there was "Pod-A-Dev" session, I might be interested in re-participating.

PvP Godess
Posted - 2010.07.13 12:47:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Sturmwolke
If there was "Pod-A-Dev" session, I might be interested in re-participating.


Or better yet, have them stare at that mother****ing "Loading\Black Screen" I always seem to encounter

Lashnar
Caldari
LEGEND OF THE SHADOW GUARD
Posted - 2010.07.13 12:56:00 - [34]
 

I would join if it wasn't a confusing twisted mess to get onto sisi. I would rather start up EVE and switch my server to sisi than have to do whatever it was that I would need to do.

0oO0oOoOo0o
Posted - 2010.07.13 13:23:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: TheTravler
why not give us SP for helping them with the mass test. Say, a days worth of SP?


Yes that's a good idea. Mass test usually have that large fleet fights, put a GM/BH/DEV in a flagship (officer fitted Titan or MS), give everyone, who is on the killmail of the flagship a 50k SP pool present on TQ. This would however bring more people to masstest than CCP wants, don't think SiSi can handle fleetfights with 10k players involved.

Rellik B00n
Posted - 2010.07.13 13:23:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Rellik B00n on 13/07/2010 13:24:33


hi,

1. lack of incentive. I barely have time to achieve the things i need to on TQ let alone test. Give me a reason to invest time and energy into making the game i play better.

2. Terrible "route to the testserver." Seriously would it be so hard to have a hardlink "download test server" somewhere? One that didnt try and install over TQ eve?

3. better autopatching for users of test. I use test maybe once a year. I would use it more but everytime I go back i discover i need a complete re-install: cba.

4. Some indication (again would a page on here be so hard?) of what CCP are currently working on fix-wise and what previous tests have achieved. Like a big old list that they could tick stuff off as they go. Honesty is the best policy: id rather see one added tick a month than hear vague assurances that things are being looked at.

5. some indication that players are listened to. I subscribe to "too many cooks spoil the broth" (in retrospect that old english saying has a WHOLE new meaning in modern internets speak! Shocked) mantra. I do still remember the "ask us" thread however. That was a very positive thread. More of this. EDIT: also the current CSM debacle: if you can't do anything for them then im positive you cant do anything for me.

I dont believe anything here is unreasonable or hugely time consuming.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2010.07.13 13:26:00 - [37]
 

Huge motivator could have been if CCP actually showed that they cared about their existing players and not just about new ones. Alas they just did the opposite and that begs the question why anyone would want to support a company that doesn't really give a damn about them.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2010.07.13 13:35:00 - [38]
 

How to encourage people come to the mass test


With results.

el caido
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2010.07.13 13:39:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
How to encourage people come to the mass test


With results.
/me applauds

Ghoest
Posted - 2010.07.13 13:54:00 - [40]
 

If you want me on the test server just make a click to run/install application instead of the current crap.


Cory Sopapilla
Minmatar
Kiroshi Group
Posted - 2010.07.13 15:32:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
Do you REALLY want to see Tanis in a kilt????!!!!


No thanks!

But I do think you'd get quite a few more on the test server if you had it active during patch days. People need their Eve fix and will find their way to it.

ThisIsNotMyAlt
Posted - 2010.07.13 15:35:00 - [42]
 

turn the china server into the new test server

Stegas Tyrano
Posted - 2010.07.13 16:30:00 - [43]
 

Why can't we just test on TQ?

Find the least populated node for minimum whine

Tell people to turn up to some random event i.e. pod the Dev or a P.L.E.X salvage hunt.

???

Profit

Darth Vapour
Posted - 2010.07.13 17:13:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
Do you REALLY want to see Tanis in a kilt????!!!!


Haha, how funny.

Don't worry about declining mass test participation, if you found the cause of lag in the next one there would not be any resources to implement it anyway for the next 2 years.

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2010.07.13 17:15:00 - [45]
 

Ok from the feedback i have seen

Pod a dev would be cool, and it has been done before. CCP TomB taunted everyone in his Eidolon and successfully fought against 50+ people and they couldnt break his tank.


Next - There have been results of the testing, several client fixes have been made and is pretty well optimized. I havent kept up myself but im pretty sure the new round of mass tests is for optimizing the server and communication with the server.

Why not do it on tq? It would break tq honestly test server is exactly as it sounds, testing, for experimental patches and server fixes. To implement these tests on TQ would be a very very bad idea.

--Constructive feed back

Yeah I agree getting on to TQ should be easier, but it works, and helps keep our TQ folders form borking up.

CCP Fallout - This would apply to the entire lag team not just tannis, and the lag team includes the test server team =P

Hertford
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.07.13 17:32:00 - [46]
 

But EVE is, from a technical standpoint, in the best shape it's ever been. There's no actual need for mass testing, right CCP?

David Grogan
Gallente
The Motley Crew Reborn
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2010.07.13 17:38:00 - [47]
 

to get numbers for mass test give everyone on test server 10mil sp to allocate on SISI server only so players can test out various skill training paths.... the extra 10mil sp should only last until next server mirror update.

SammyullJackson
Posted - 2010.07.13 17:42:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: SammyullJackson on 13/07/2010 17:43:03
Originally by: David Grogan
to get numbers for mass test give everyone on test server 10mil sp to allocate on SISI server only so players can test out various skill training paths.... the extra 10mil sp should only last until next server mirror update.


Agree on this.

It's great and all to say "train your character on SiSi just like you do on TQ to try out new skills!" but why would I waste a month training up strategic cruisers on Singularity to test them, find out that I DO like them, and then put the skills on my TQ character where I can waste another month waiting for it to build up? Or alternatively, just simultaneously train the same skills on both servers, and then find out that whatever I skilled up or qualified for is something I don't really like?

randomname4me
Posted - 2010.07.13 17:58:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: SammyullJackson
Edited by: SammyullJackson on 13/07/2010 17:43:03
Originally by: David Grogan
to get numbers for mass test give everyone on test server 10mil sp to allocate on SISI server only so players can test out various skill training paths.... the extra 10mil sp should only last until next server mirror update.


Agree on this.

It's great and all to say "train your character on SiSi just like you do on TQ to try out new skills!" but why would I waste a month training up strategic cruisers on Singularity to test them, find out that I DO like them, and then put the skills on my TQ character where I can waste another month waiting for it to build up? Or alternatively, just simultaneously train the same skills on both servers, and then find out that whatever I skilled up or qualified for is something I don't really like?
You both seam to misunderstand the purpose of the test server. It is not a log on and test your uber leat titan fit server. It is a log on and help test server code and game feature server. They do regularly give test users the needed skills when the need them to test a certain thing IE when PI was on there and when the needed supercaps tested. For the most part you shouldn't need more skill points then you already have on TQ since your only legitimate use of them is testing a bug you have encountered on TQ or working with something the devs need mas tested.

If any of you remember the chaos that was the all level 5 skill event before dominion you have some idea as to how bad of an idea that is.

SammyullJackson
Posted - 2010.07.13 18:00:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: SammyullJackson on 13/07/2010 18:01:57
Originally by: randomname4me
Originally by: SammyullJackson
Edited by: SammyullJackson on 13/07/2010 17:43:03
Originally by: David Grogan
to get numbers for mass test give everyone on test server 10mil sp to allocate on SISI server only so players can test out various skill training paths.... the extra 10mil sp should only last until next server mirror update.


Agree on this.

It's great and all to say "train your character on SiSi just like you do on TQ to try out new skills!" but why would I waste a month training up strategic cruisers on Singularity to test them, find out that I DO like them, and then put the skills on my TQ character where I can waste another month waiting for it to build up? Or alternatively, just simultaneously train the same skills on both servers, and then find out that whatever I skilled up or qualified for is something I don't really like?


You both seam to misunderstand the purpose of the test server. It is not a log on and test your uber leat titan fit server. It is a log on and help test server code and game feature server. They do regularly give test users the needed skills when the need them to test a certain thing IE when PI was on there and when the needed supercaps tested. For the most part you shouldn't need more skill points then you already have on TQ since your only legitimate use of them is testing a bug you have encountered on TQ or working with something the devs need mas tested.

If any of you remember the chaos that was the all level 5 skill event before dominion you have some idea as to how bad of an idea that is.


Funny, I spent time in it... the system where everyone is has several beacons where you warp to and participate in battles to test fits... I dunno, while that might not be what everyone on the server does, there are quite a few people that hang out there, trying out new fits, asking people to fight with them to test something or other, etc.

But I suppose CCP did that to test the, uh, bugs of 1v1 frigate battles. Of course.

EDIT: And I don't WANT a titan, I don't WANT a capital, I just want to know, say, if it's worth it to get T2 weapons, or how ships that I can't handle yet (T2 Cruiser, BSs, stuff like that) are worth it to me (glories praised in forums aside, I want to know how it fits ME, personally)

Planktal
Gallente
Kenshao Industries
Galactic Acqisition Specialists
Posted - 2010.07.13 18:02:00 - [51]
 

The simplest way to get people to do something is tell them they can't do it.

Flaura
Posted - 2010.07.13 18:19:00 - [52]
 

The moment ccp decides to allocate some resources to fix the game. The latest CSM deal left all that hope to rest as they refuse to listen to the community and actually fix what most likely would be a huge moneymaker for them in many years to come.
Instead they use all their manpower on another quakeclone that will bring little new to the gamingworld and be outdated in a short time.

The Crushah
Gallente
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2010.07.13 18:35:00 - [53]
 

You could also consider putting the mass test at a time which would allow people other than Eurotrash to attend. Very Happy

FireT
Gallente
Royal Advanced Industries
Imperial Crimson Legion
Posted - 2010.07.13 18:53:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: SammyullJackson

EDIT: And I don't WANT a titan, I don't WANT a capital, I just want to know, say, if it's worth it to get T2 weapons, or how ships that I can't handle yet (T2 Cruiser, BSs, stuff like that) are worth it to me (glories praised in forums aside, I want to know how it fits ME, personally)


Agreeing with this. If I was on SiSi I would not be flying actual capitals on a 24/7 style. Maybe just to satisfy my curiosity.

Overall I would be spending more time with all the various ships and the various weapon styles.

trite boon
Caldari
Advocated-Destruction
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2010.07.13 18:57:00 - [55]
 

Quote:
make it alot easyer to get to sisi and more ppl will join on the tests.



this please back in the day you could pick the server on a drop down box




David Grogan
Gallente
The Motley Crew Reborn
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2010.07.13 19:36:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Flaura
The latest CSM deal left all that hope to rest as they refuse to listen to the community and actually fix what most likely would be a huge moneymaker for them in many years to come.



all the more reason to abstain from then next csm election........... why waste time voting for csm representatives if ccp is unwilling to listen to them?


Clarissa Ming
Posted - 2010.07.13 19:49:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
Do you REALLY want to see Tanis in a kilt????!!!!


Nope but SteveSG in just a kilt will do :P

Siiee
Recycled Heroes
Posted - 2010.07.13 21:37:00 - [58]
 

Turns out CCP was right, the players don't care about fixing the game only new shinies Rolling Eyes gratz everyone

TBH I think the install system is perfect for keeping the riffraff out, if you CBA to make a copy of a folder and run a simple installer then you're probably not even worth it as a warm body in a mass test. Any "reward" would be met with the same sense of entitlement that FD currently is, that is already a reward for using Sisi.

The mass test is the final thing you can do to "put your money where your mouth is" re: server lag, short of unsubscribing. With subscription numbers not dropping and few people attending testing events it's "obvious" that lag isn't a problem, at least not a problem that anyone really cares about.

Geralden
Posted - 2010.07.13 21:54:00 - [59]
 

I dont want shiny's - but i dont want to use 2 to 3 hours figuring out where/how/whynot the client i downloaded wont open sisi.

If you are serious about wanting players to go to test - then make it click and play.

CCP Veritas

Posted - 2010.07.13 23:15:00 - [60]
 

Unfortunately, I haven't got a kilt. I do, however, have some code on Sisi that needs a lot of people to test. Please help me out.


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