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Dariah Stardweller
Gallente
NO U111 Enterprises
Posted - 2010.07.18 14:10:00 - [121]
 

Originally by: TeaDaze

Thus if Incarna is Eve then the CSM would in theory have the same input as they do with flying in space (I'll leave that open for a joke about the CSM having no real input Wink).
Well, the influence of the CSM seems to be quite limited...

Better than no influence at all though and I apreciate the hours you guys put in. Smile

Burning Furry
Posted - 2010.07.27 07:10:00 - [122]
 

Confirming both my accounts are now cancelled. Will not be re-suscribing.

Louanne Barros
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.07.28 19:34:00 - [123]
 

Quote:
It was mentioned by CCP that the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features.


Dear CCP,

We built a multi billion dollar company based on exactly the opposite of what you just said.

Sincerely,

Steve Jobs

SickSeven
Simplistic Syndicate
Posted - 2010.08.13 23:55:00 - [124]
 

Edited by: SickSeven on 13/08/2010 23:56:42
I read most of it, enought to be... well mad. I agree with a lot of other paying customers here: The thing that was stated over and over from CCP in this meeting was: We are doing "this" for the next 18months, no matter how well you try to convince us otherwise, we may start to consider your concerns a year and a half from now.

Wow, W T F is the CSM for? I absolutely commend this iteration of the CSM for putting it to CCP and representing the concerns of the player base very well. Unfortunately for all of us CCP just gave them the finger. I can promise you that players canceled their subscriptions after reading those minutes. This meeting proved that CCP is going to do what they want regardless of outside influence.

And I'm still waiting to hear what is going to make Incarna worth 3 years of development, and degraded game quality/polish for the next 18 months...... You can't do anything meaningful outside of your ship, so why has this 'feature' taken up so much time and resources? Especially at the cost of previous expansions that have been abandoned in unfinished states?

rantuket
Caldari
SPORADIC MOVEMENT
Merciless.
Posted - 2010.08.19 01:21:00 - [125]
 

Quote:
pg 4. In time for the 5th CSM December Summit, CCP will tag all CSM-raised issues currently in the backlog and have a list of them made available to the CSM.


Will be interesting to see if this gets done and what is in it.

Quote:
pg 6. CCP disagreed strongly with the claim that it isnít committed to excellence and feels that the resources being used to constantly improve Eve Online are a clear sign of this commitment.


Fixing lag is only 1 element of a very big picture, the amount of promised changes for small elements (rockets, AF's for example) should be a solid focus point as much as giving me a ****ty incarna mini game that I will never use.

Quote:
pg 20. Although CCP has no room for Low Sec changes for a minimum of 18 months


A minimum of 18 months... that is before they will even look into the issues let alone develop fixes or roll out changes. It is a shame that such a large portion of the game will not see any love for 2 years.

Quote:
pg 26. CSM will provide a list of key balance issues to CCP. CCP will review the list and respond with a benefit analysis and proposed actions. CSM will then submit a prioritized list of balance items.


So these issues will be looked at in 18 months along with everything not related to walking in stations?

Overall very much a let down, PI brought a new set of industry which is no fun and anything but exciting. How they will make people fight over such pitiful planet side income is certainly a mystery.

Cromo Effect
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2010.08.21 08:17:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: Dariah Stardweller
Originally by: TeaDaze

Thus if Incarna is Eve then the CSM would in theory have the same input as they do with flying in space (I'll leave that open for a joke about the CSM having no real input Wink).
Well, the influence of the CSM seems to be quite limited...

Better than no influence at all though and I apreciate the seconds you guys put in. Smile


FYP

Yeay Fritg
Caldari
Confrerie de Kaedri
Cluster Of Rebirth
Posted - 2010.09.13 10:41:00 - [127]
 

CSM,

Sorry to say but I will come back in 18 months to get the CSM5 information feedback.

Enjoy your meeting pontifications but players except information.

Not just reading you meeting planing agenda.

At least just the facts but I see nothing except that you will give them to us...sounds like CCP. thnen as CCP player will expect results in 18 moths.

Yeay

TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2010.09.13 12:09:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: Yeay Fritg
CSM,

Sorry to say but I will come back in 18 months to get the CSM5 information feedback.

Enjoy your meeting pontifications but players except information.

Not just reading you meeting planing agenda.

At least just the facts but I see nothing except that you will give them to us...sounds like CCP. thnen as CCP player will expect results in 18 moths.

Yeay

I'm slightly unsure what your complaint is here. We publish our meeting discussions and we make available information from CCP when we get it (providing they are not under NDA).

We have something in progress which will provide some additional information, watch this space.

Yeay Fritg
Caldari
Confrerie de Kaedri
Cluster Of Rebirth
Posted - 2010.09.13 13:05:00 - [129]
 

Edited by: Yeay Fritg on 13/09/2010 13:06:52
Edited by: Yeay Fritg on 13/09/2010 13:05:51
Hello,

I'm complaining about a clear answers, a list of point where can see rapidly what's on the table between CSM and CCP. Who hold the point and who needs to act in a list ?

CSM not publishing cause CSM does not agree internally ?
CSM not publishing cause CCP does not allow to ?
CCP does not answer you but engaged to do it ?
Why does it take so long just to have a clear view about dates ?
Who needs to act ?
Does the CSM have answer of CCP ?
Which subject CCP does not give you date/answers on ?
For an issue where can I have a date of resolution ?
Where can I see a list ?

State which point is under NDA ?

NDA means no information from us, please state them too !

I find some elements but please make a list link on the forum about the relevant wikipage. May be a thread just for us to follow ?

Thank you for publishing the Log but do you think we can follow you by reading a discussion we aren't aware of the exact details just by the Logs ?

CSM is too much a black box concerning what's on the table with CCP. I'm sure you have the information but make it clearly on a page where we can go and clearly see what's on the table please.

Yeay





TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2010.09.13 14:19:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: Yeay Fritg
I'm complaining about a clear answers, a list of point where can see rapidly what's on the table between CSM and CCP. Who hold the point and who needs to act in a list ?

I don't have time to respond in detail but these two wiki categories are a good place to start.

Issues raised by CSM waiting responses from CCP

CSM Issues resolved by CCP - Not 100% accurate because tracking of CSM issues by CCP won't be in place till the next summit meeting in December.


Originally by: Yeay Fritg
CSM not publishing cause CSM does not agree internally ?

CSM publishes all meeting logs except sections where there is discussion of NDA items (this doesn't happen very often, maybe 5 times in the last year). Also CSM maintains the wiki. What else are you expecting?


Originally by: Yeay Fritg
CSM not publishing cause CCP does not allow to?

Only items under NDA are not published.


Originally by: Yeay Fritg

CCP does not answer you but engaged to do it ?
Why does it take so long just to have a clear view about dates ?
Who needs to act ?
Does the CSM have answer of CCP ?
Which subject CCP does not give you date/answers on ?
For an issue where can I have a date of resolution ?
Where can I see a list ?


Most of this would come under CCP's development schedules which are decided after considering all the issues raised by the Eve stakeholders (which the CSM is one of). CSM can request information from CCP and frequently does. See the other business sections of most meetings where status updates are discussed.


Originally by: Yeay Fritg
State which point is under NDA ?

NDA means no information from us, please state them too !

I can't tell you what items are under NDA, sorry. All I can say there is very little under NDA right now and one thing should be published this week.


Originally by: Yeay Fritg
Thank you for publishing the Log but do you think we can follow you by reading a discussion we aren't aware of the exact details just by the Logs ?

Yes. The exact details of issues under discussion are in the wiki and in the meeting logs. The logs and voting results are public and the issues are on the wiki which links to the original assembly hall threads. It is all there.


Originally by: Yeay Fritg
CSM is too much a black box concerning what's on the table with CCP. I'm sure you have the information but make it clearly on a page where we can go and clearly see what's on the table please.

Incorrect. All player issues raised by CSM to CCP are clearly displayed on the wiki.


If you want to know the date when things are going to be resolved then I have to say that nobody, not even CCP, can say that for the majority of the issues.

Yeay Fritg
Caldari
Confrerie de Kaedri
Cluster Of Rebirth
Posted - 2010.09.13 15:16:00 - [131]
 

Thank you


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