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Ugleb
Minmatar
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.07.10 09:26:00 - [1]
 

Let this be a lesson to all would-be betrayers.

In Providence the eradication of the Opticon Alliance draws near. The newly formed Opticon were granted sovereignty in a corner of Providence even as the old Amarrian power bloc was being removed. They signed their name on the treaties that would make them part of the pacts that bind the new resident alliances together. Each of us is free to conduct ourselves as we choose, but we are promised to fight side by side should the day come that one of us is threatened from outside.

Opticon broke that trust. They were approached by the CVA and promised rewards for their loyalty and assistance. Opticon listened, and agreed. They promised their support in exchange for lands and wealth. They sided with the old enemy, with the Slaver.

They are paying the price, even as I speak. The dismantling of Opticon holdings is well advanced, and the desertion of their pilots and corporations rampant. In the Ushra'Khan we reserve a special fate for betrayers, the same fate that we promised the Sylph Alliance. Complete destruction. For Opticon the war ends with their complete disbanding and removal from CONCORD's alliance registry.

As it did for Sylph. Heed this lesson, for in such matters our patience is infinite. And our lust for vengeance is insatiable. Opticon, this ending was well earned.

Icarus3
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
Posted - 2010.07.10 09:36:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Ugleb
Let this be a lesson to all would-be betrayers.

In Providence the eradication of the Opticon Alliance draws near. The newly formed Opticon were granted sovereignty in a corner of Providence even as the old Amarrian power bloc was being removed. They signed their name on the treaties that would make them part of the pacts that bind the new resident alliances together. Each of us is free to conduct ourselves as we choose, but we are promised to fight side by side should the day come that one of us is threatened from outside.

Opticon broke that trust. They were approached by the CVA and promised rewards for their loyalty and assistance. Opticon listened, and agreed. They promised their support in exchange for lands and wealth. They sided with the old enemy, with the Slaver.

They are paying the price, even as I speak. The dismantling of Opticon holdings is well advanced, and the desertion of their pilots and corporations rampant. In the Ushra'Khan we reserve a special fate for betrayers, the same fate that we promised the Sylph Alliance. Complete destruction. For Opticon the war ends with their complete disbanding and removal from CONCORD's alliance registry.

As it did for Sylph. Heed this lesson, for in such matters our patience is infinite. And our lust for vengeance is insatiable. Opticon, this ending was well earned.



Just another pathetic example of just how desperate "Lord Aralis" and the rest of the CVA have become. I hear even Hydra reloaded have reset standings with them. No doubt they grew tired of this all as well.

It warms my heart to witness the Opticon Alliance purge with my own eyes.

Their numbers have reduced by 50% last time I checked... surely even more "loyal" corporations have left since then.


Be brave and fly free my brothers and sisters in the Ushra'Khan!

Forlorn Wongraven
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.07.10 09:46:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Forlorn Wongraven on 10/07/2010 09:45:50
Originally by: Icarus3
Their numbers have reduced by 50% last time I checked... surely even more "loyal" corporations have left since then.


Opticon alliance ceased to exist this night.

Merdaneth
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.10 09:54:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Ugleb
Let this be a lesson to all would-be betrayers.


Mr. Ugleb, while I agree that those who betray their word are sinners and their punishment is a just cause, I am wondering about what they betrayed exactly?

Originally by: Ugleb
Opticon broke that trust. They were approached by the CVA and promised rewards for their loyalty and assistance. Opticon listened, and agreed. They promised their support in exchange for lands and wealth. They sided with the old enemy, with the Slaver.


This sounds like Opticon alliance needed to sign a treaty in exchange for a land grant and Opticon was thereafter not free to determine who their friends and enemies are. While I think this is a perfectly normal feudal arrangement, I've heard some people call treaties of this kind 'standings enclosurism'. Opticon become friendly to one of your enemies, and such is apparently not allowed by the 'masters of Providence'.

Originally by: Ugleb
And our lust for vengeance is insatiable.


Those who think to ever make a treaty with Ushra'Khan should keep the above sentence in mind.

Victorick
High House Of Shadows
Republic Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.10 12:40:00 - [5]
 

As a former member of Ushra’Kan, which left due to a long coma I suffered, I cannot help but wonder when the brutality of Providence will cease, and peace rains down upon those who call the space their own.

However, that said, the bitter taste of betrayal is not one easily washed from ones mouth, so these actions are justified.

Ugleb
Minmatar
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.07.10 12:53:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Merdaneth

This sounds like Opticon alliance needed to sign a treaty in exchange for a land grant and Opticon was thereafter not free to determine who their friends and enemies are. While I think this is a perfectly normal feudal arrangement, I've heard some people call treaties of this kind 'standings enclosurism'. Opticon become friendly to one of your enemies, and such is apparently not allowed by the 'masters of Providence'.



Opticon chose to enter into a 'non-invasion pact' with their neighbours, of whom we are just one. The pacts affirm that each entity will not invade the other, but otherwise they are free to conduct themselves freely, even so far as raiding one another on a daily basis if they choose.

Opticon chose to move against the spirit of that pact and align with the recently dethroned lords of Providence, the CVA. Whom we all know seek to retake their former holdings.

As far as the Ushra'Khan is concerned, we have one inflexible demand; that none work with the slaver. Opticon chose to do just that, and in the process aligned with an entity seeking to wage 'sov-war' against their neighbours. To do so is clearly to act against the spirit and intent of the agreement, leaving all with an unreliable and volatile neighbour.

My only regret here is that I did not wait a few hours longer before making the opening statement, Opticon's destruction came even more swiftly than expected.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2010.07.10 12:59:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Ugleb

Opticon chose to enter into a 'non-invasion pact' with their neighbours, of whom we are just one. The pacts affirm that each entity will not invade the other, but otherwise they are free to conduct themselves freely, even so far as raiding one another on a daily basis if they choose.

Opticon chose to move against the spirit of that pact and align with the recently dethroned lords of Providence, the CVA. Whom we all know seek to retake their former holdings.




They only moved against the spirit of the pact?

That implies that they didn't actually break the terms of their agreement with U'K.

Nikita Alterana
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2010.07.10 13:37:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Ugleb
our lust for vengeance is insatiable. Opticon, this ending was well earned.



the feed activates for a moment and a long, harsh, wicked laugh is heard echoing through the comm unit. the feed then deactivates again

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2010.07.10 14:00:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Forlorn Wongraven
Opticon alliance ceased to exist this night.


Congratulations to the involved on all fronts.


Revan Neferis
Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik

Merdaneth
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.10 14:27:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Merdaneth on 10/07/2010 14:28:13

Originally by: Ugleb
Opticon chose to enter into a 'non-invasion pact' with their neighbours, of whom we are just one. The pacts affirm that each entity will not invade the other, but otherwise they are free to conduct themselves freely, even so far as raiding one another on a daily basis if they choose.


Mr. Ugleb, once again, if you were betrayed and a pact was broken, you were justified in seeking retribution. Only your answer makes me wonder what pact or trust was betrayed. This is my current understanding:

1. Opticon Alliance and Ushra'Khan were enemies
Both sides were killing each other's soldiers and destroying their ships prior to the betrayal. There was no bond of friendship, no alliance, not even a non-aggression pact, just a non-invasion agreement.

2. Opticon Alliance didn't invade any Providence systems
At no time did Opticon Alliance install any structures that indicate an attempt to gain sovereignity.

3. Ushra'Khan has unilaterally added an unwritten rule to the non-invasion pact
The non-invasion pact states that signatories are free to conduct their own relations, but as far as Ushra'Khan is concerned, this freedom does not extend to being friendly towards those that support slavery. This hidden exception is not universal, there are signatories who don't care if others are friendly with slavers, it is an Ushra'Khan invention.

If this is true, I believe that Ushra'Khan are the traitors here. They broke the non-invasion pact. They broke the agreement that their neighbours are free to conduct their own relations without interference. They forced their own (unwritten) rules on another party.

Mr. Ugleb, you are a pact-breaker, a traitor and trying to enforce a standings enclosurist regime. You can conjure 'spirits' all you like, but the fact of the matter is that Ushra'Khan didn't agree with Opticon's relations and therefore attacked them. Next time I would suggest to wait for the other to actually break the pact before you go breaking it yourself, if you don't want to be labeled a traitor.

Andreus LeHane
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2010.07.10 14:47:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Merdaneth
The non-invasion pact states that signatories are free to conduct their own relations, but as far as Ushra'Khan is concerned, this freedom does not extend to being friendly towards those that support slavery.


Well obviously. What the hell do you expect, Merdaneth? Ushra'Khan have existed since the dawn of the infomorph age more than six years ago and they've existed to destroy slavery. Do you think they're going to suddenly through their hands up and say "Oh, no, we were wrong after all! Let's just let the slavers and their friends mill about as they please!".

Merdaneth
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.10 14:53:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Andreus LeHane
Well obviously. What the hell do you expect, Merdaneth? Ushra'Khan have existed since the dawn of the infomorph age more than six years ago and they've existed to destroy slavery. Do you think they're going to suddenly through their hands up and say "Oh, no, we were wrong after all! Let's just let the slavers and their friends mill about as they please!".


Not at all. I merely thought they would be bigger than making up some kind of 'you betrayed us' sob story. Opticon Alliance were friendly to slavers, and all friends of slavers should be destroyed, pact or no pact. Not this 'we were the victims here' nonsense.

BlazerV
Minmatar
Crescent Devils
Circle of the Shadows
Posted - 2010.07.10 15:47:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Merdaneth
Edited by: Merdaneth on 10/07/2010 14:28:13

Originally by: Ugleb
Opticon chose to enter into a 'non-invasion pact' with their neighbours, of whom we are just one. The pacts affirm that each entity will not invade the other, but otherwise they are free to conduct themselves freely, even so far as raiding one another on a daily basis if they choose.


Mr. Ugleb, once again, if you were betrayed and a pact was broken, you were justified in seeking retribution. Only your answer makes me wonder what pact or trust was betrayed. This is my current understanding:

1. Opticon Alliance and Ushra'Khan were enemies


Both sides were killing each other's soldiers and destroying their ships prior to the betrayal. There was no bond of friendship, no alliance, not even a non-aggression pact, just a non-invasion agreement.

2. Opticon Alliance didn't invade any Providence systems
At no time did Opticon Alliance install any structures that indicate an attempt to gain sovereignity.

3. Ushra'Khan has unilaterally added an unwritten rule to the non-invasion pact
The non-invasion pact states that signatories are free to conduct their own relations, but as far as Ushra'Khan is concerned, this freedom does not extend to being friendly towards those that support slavery. This hidden exception is not universal, there are signatories who don't care if others are friendly with slavers, it is an Ushra'Khan invention.

If this is true, I believe that Ushra'Khan are the traitors here. They broke the non-invasion pact. They broke the agreement that their neighbours are free to conduct their own relations without interference. They forced their own (unwritten) rules on another party.

Mr. Ugleb, you are a pact-breaker, a traitor and trying to enforce a standings enclosurist regime. You can conjure 'spirits' all you like, but the fact of the matter is that Ushra'Khan didn't agree with Opticon's relations and therefore attacked them. Next time I would suggest to wait for the other to actually break the pact before you go breaking it yourself, if you don't want to be labeled a traitor.


Such utter non-sense. Do you really believe after Opticon told us, and yes they did tell us, they where going to help CVA in some sort of an invasion against the freed providence lands, that we would simply let them do so? This broke the non-invasion pact.

Don't be a fool, they broke the pact, they payed the price.

Ugleb
Minmatar
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.07.11 19:26:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Merdaneth
Edited by: Merdaneth on 10/07/2010 14:28:13

Originally by: Ugleb
Opticon chose to enter into a 'non-invasion pact' with their neighbours, of whom we are just one. The pacts affirm that each entity will not invade the other, but otherwise they are free to conduct themselves freely, even so far as raiding one another on a daily basis if they choose.


Mr. Ugleb, once again, if you were betrayed and a pact was broken, you were justified in seeking retribution. Only your answer makes me wonder what pact or trust was betrayed. This is my current understanding:

1. Opticon Alliance and Ushra'Khan were enemies
Both sides were killing each other's soldiers and destroying their ships prior to the betrayal. There was no bond of friendship, no alliance, not even a non-aggression pact, just a non-invasion agreement.

2. Opticon Alliance didn't invade any Providence systems
At no time did Opticon Alliance install any structures that indicate an attempt to gain sovereignity.

3. Ushra'Khan has unilaterally added an unwritten rule to the non-invasion pact
The non-invasion pact states that signatories are free to conduct their own relations, but as far as Ushra'Khan is concerned, this freedom does not extend to being friendly towards those that support slavery. This hidden exception is not universal, there are signatories who don't care if others are friendly with slavers, it is an Ushra'Khan invention.

If this is true, I believe that Ushra'Khan are the traitors here. They broke the non-invasion pact. They broke the agreement that their neighbours are free to conduct their own relations without interference. They forced their own (unwritten) rules on another party.

Mr. Ugleb, you are a pact-breaker, a traitor and trying to enforce a standings enclosurist regime. You can conjure 'spirits' all you like, but the fact of the matter is that Ushra'Khan didn't agree with Opticon's relations and therefore attacked them. Next time I would suggest to wait for the other to actually break the pact before you go breaking it yourself, if you don't want to be labeled a traitor.


'Mr' Merdaneth. I, am not lawyer. Nor did I come to debate legalistic principles. I came with simple facts.

1. Opticon and the Ushra'Khan were not at war. Their alliance was formed of some former enemies, but when it formed it was recognised as a new political entity and treated as such. There was no war before their act of betrayal.

2. The question is not if they attempted a sov assault, but that they aligned directly with the one entity most intent on mounting an attack at that time. With the clearly stated intent of joining such an attack. This is an intent to conduct sov warfare and to assist another alliance in doing so. That is clearly in breach of the deal.

3. The Ushra'Khan were not the only one of Opticon's neighbours to take action. And we have always been very clear on our stance towards those who would work with pro-slaver organisations. Nothing changed in our policies.

Opticon changed their political position moving to a pro-CVA position which is against the intent of all pact members, we expended considerable effort in ridding Providence of CVA dominance and have no wish to see it return. Opticon were well aware of this but made their choice in spite of this.

The bottom line is simple; Opticon sought to supplant theirs neighbours and collaborators. They paid for it. Others would do well to consider this tale in their future dealings.

Borza Slavak
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.07.11 21:49:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Ugleb

Opticon chose to enter into a 'non-invasion pact' with their neighbours, of whom we are just one. The pacts affirm that each entity will not invade the other, but otherwise they are free to conduct themselves freely, even so far as raiding one another on a daily basis if they choose.

Opticon chose to move against the spirit of that pact and align with the recently dethroned lords of Providence, the CVA. Whom we all know seek to retake their former holdings.




They planned to. They were pre-empted.

If you agree with someone not to punch him if he doesn't punch you, and a short time later he starts to swing for you do you wait for his blow to land before responding?
They only moved against the spirit of the pact?

That implies that they didn't actually break the terms of their agreement with U'K.

Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
Fates Assembly
The Final Stand.
Posted - 2010.07.12 00:21:00 - [16]
 

treachery confirmed and confirmed many times over.

all i'd like to add is that many of their honorable men did leave when they found out that some of their alliance leadership made this backroom deal to break the signed, voted and ratified treaty.

There are good and honorable pilots (and corporation leadership) from Opticon that did leave it to die from the vile traitorous stupidity.

I hope all former Opticon do not get tarred with the same brush.

cannonman58102
Phoibe Enterprises
Peregrine Nation
Posted - 2010.07.12 01:11:00 - [17]
 

Let us clear this up shall we? I do not like speaking publicly, but in some cases there is need. There is misinformation, misunderstanding, and outright lies in this communication. Opticon chose to leave providence to escape the oppressive yoke of Ushra'Khan.

It was Ushra'Khan that engaged us on our home territory, slaughtering our civilians and builders while the warriors were out fighting for "the cause", a fight Ushra’Khan had requested our assistance with. It was Ushra’Khan who brought us into this arrangement with the understanding that providence would return to a state where, at least in systems they controlled, neutrality would reign supreme. It was Ushra'Khan that threatened us time and again when we did not bring overwhelming numbers to their operations, nonchalantly adding a new rule to our already agreed upon terms.

Do not get me wrong, this is not meant to be an attack on Ushra’Khan. In fact, there are those I respect in Ushra’Khan, Evanga and Karn Mithralia being foremost. But to the other 1690 pilots, you have shown me nothing to deserve respect; indeed you are barely capable of maintaining the guise of “allies” to any of those in providence.

Because of these betrayals, and many more unnamed, we chose to leave providence in the hands of CVA. Lord Aralis approached me not with offers of riches, or even the land that we were already prepared to lose. Lord Aralis offered us something more. He offered us a chance to strike back and regain some measure of our dignity, and we gladly took it in the hopes of redemption.

Even now, as you make your claims of Opticon dying while chest beating about how 20,000 people pushed a 400 man alliance with roughly 4,000 allies from their systems, we have re-formed and are rebuilding. You may call us dead, but I have never seen our pilots so alive. They now have something worthwhile to fight for, something UK has lacked for several months now.

I thank you for your time gentlemen, and for those who defended us against these blatant lies in my absence, I owe you much.

Karn Mithralia
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.07.12 01:52:00 - [18]
 

Lord Aralis, the slavers tongue that sinks alliances.

Let’s go back a few months, the Providence invasion is in full swing, the forces of freedom have taken 9UY and are looking around for the next target. We open comms with the holders - those we respect for the honourable conduct in war, for their ability to keep their word, to negotiate potential peace.

Aegis Militia are on our list, once proud slavers, always hard fighters, they have earned are respect over the years. I open comms with them, prepared to negotiate peace and their survival in return for them renouncing slavery and joining the good fight. At first discussion seems promising.

Then, turmoil. They drop sov in several systems, and elements of their leadership refuse to negotiate. I probe to see what has happened - Lord Aralis has spoken and encouraged a coup d'etat among their leadership, with promises of glory, spacing holding and mutual defence.

Aegis Militia collapse, we take their space. CVA utterly fail to defend them.

Time passes, Aegis Militia reform under the banner of Opticon Alliance. They approach me again. Swearing they are no longer slavers they negotiate to have their old space back, buying their stations off us, pledging themselves to the Providence NIP agreement.

The war goes on, CVA are driven from Providence, then Aralis speaks to Opticon again. Join us he says and keep your space when we invade with our mighty allies, join us and we will defend you against the forces of freedom.

Opticons leadership swallow his words, they send out comms to other members of New Providence encouraging them to join them in supporting CVA and overthrowing AAA and U'K. Very quickly, before we even act they begin to collapse, several corps leaving on principle alone.

Now Opticon are no more, their space is now anothers, once again the slavers word has seen their demise.

Lord Aralis, your devious plotting, your worm tongue does more for our cause than guns ever could. Twice you spoke whispering promises, twice you caused the same alliance to break with your words alone.

Conlin
Gallente
LangToun
Posted - 2010.07.12 02:39:00 - [19]
 

This doesn't surprise me in the least to hear of an ex provi going against their word , not that they understand what giving their word means .
Just a pity some people are gullible enough to listen .
There will be more of these events in the future where ex provi's lie through their teeth , and l'll be around to re-educate them , in the only way they understand Wink

cannonman58102
Phoibe Enterprises
Peregrine Nation
Posted - 2010.07.12 02:42:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: cannonman58102 on 12/07/2010 02:43:47
Due to my respect of you, I will merely correct these mistakes as just that, mistakes and not lies.


Aegis Militia entertained a talk with you and AAA, this is true. We had never been "on the verge" of an agreement with you, nor did we try and convince other alliances to the cva banner. I pulled myself from diplomacy channels, and even mailed you to have one of our pilots removed from your communications channels that you had been kind enough to make him an administrator in. Do you deny this? Will you answer a straight to the point question? How about commenting on those issues that UK has done that pushed us away from your side?

I have never known you to back down from a fight karn, either in space or in speech. I ask you now, if you are going to talk about this, at least show the initiative to address the reasons we left, rather than sidestepping the issue and throwing out accusations you KNOW are untrue.


Once more, as I seem to have to re-affirm this again and again. Many of our corperations indeed left BEFORE we sided with CVA, and you can ask many of those ceo's that left. Being attacked by would be allies at the worst possible times, being scolded for putting a fleet into action and losing it while UK stayed safely docked up in 9uy, these are what led to many corps leaving. Indeed, three corporations refused to accept NRDS, but that is all. We did not care about keeping the space, our original intent was to pull out. Had we cared about the space, we would have just shut up and done what we were told. We care about the cause, those that are left do.

sidenote: You will see he admits to talking with old providence holders about overthrowing CVA, then accuses us of doing the same with the new providence holders like it is unethical, even when it is a lie.

Karn Mithralia
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.07.12 03:51:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 12/07/2010 03:56:12

My post wasn't a response to yours cannonman, the timing was coincidental, you posted as I wrote mine. Aralis' role in your 2 x downfall is note-worthy to say the least and needed highlighting.

Beware the slavers tongue, for it bears ill wind!

I stand by what I said, the facts are as I present them. I'm well known for straight talking and standing by my word, and I'm happy to let the readers of this summit judge me on it.

Enjoy your new found freedom.

Invelious
Amarr
Adamant Edge
Posted - 2010.07.12 04:35:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Karn Mithralia
Lord Aralis, the slavers tongue that sinks alliances.

Let’s go back a few months, the Providence invasion is in full swing, the forces of freedom have taken 9UY and are looking around for the next target. We open comms with the holders - those we respect for the honourable conduct in war, for their ability to keep their word, to negotiate potential peace.

Aegis Militia are on our list, once proud slavers, always hard fighters, they have earned are respect over the years. I open comms with them, prepared to negotiate peace and their survival in return for them renouncing slavery and joining the good fight. At first discussion seems promising.

Then, turmoil. They drop sov in several systems, and elements of their leadership refuse to negotiate. I probe to see what has happened - Lord Aralis has spoken and encouraged a coup d'etat among their leadership, with promises of glory, spacing holding and mutual defence.

Aegis Militia collapse, we take their space. CVA utterly fail to defend them.

Time passes, Aegis Militia reform under the banner of Opticon Alliance. They approach me again. Swearing they are no longer slavers they negotiate to have their old space back, buying their stations off us, pledging themselves to the Providence NIP agreement.

The war goes on, CVA are driven from Providence, then Aralis speaks to Opticon again. Join us he says and keep your space when we invade with our mighty allies, join us and we will defend you against the forces of freedom.

Opticons leadership swallow his words, they send out comms to other members of New Providence encouraging them to join them in supporting CVA and overthrowing AAA and U'K. Very quickly, before we even act they begin to collapse, several corps leaving on principle alone.

Now Opticon are no more, their space is now anothers, once again the slavers word has seen their demise.

Lord Aralis, your devious plotting, your worm tongue does more for our cause than guns ever could. Twice you spoke whispering promises, twice you caused the same alliance to break with your words alone.



Somewhere, in all of this, you missed the fact that AAA did all the real work, and that none of this supposed "success" was possible without AAA.

Seanbeansan
Posted - 2010.07.12 04:48:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Seanbeansan on 12/07/2010 04:50:33
Edited by: Seanbeansan on 12/07/2010 04:49:30
Ho-Hum.

Victoria Stecker
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2010.07.12 04:54:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Invelious
Somewhere, in all of this, you missed the fact that AAA did all the real work, and that none of this supposed "success" was possible without AAA.


The fact that AAA does all the heavy lifting while U'K does the talking is not news. I'm pretty sure they have a formal arrangement to that effect. AAA is secure enough not to care, so they allow U'K to take credit for their work and puff themselves up. Rather altruistic of them, I must admit.

cannonman58102
Phoibe Enterprises
Peregrine Nation
Posted - 2010.07.12 04:56:00 - [25]
 

I will leave that conversation with you closed here, karn, though undoubtedly others will bring the issue back to life. I want everyone to understand, this change was not done out of malice to UK, but rather a change of heart afterwards. We decided democratically to join CVA's side, there were no "backroom deals" as have been implied above, all the ceo's knew, hence why one of our ceos from a corp called blazingangels had the information needed to betray us to UK in our deliberation period, thus speeding up what came.

As far as the nip being broken, many have taken the stance that UK was a betrayer in this sense, I disagree. I believe UK betrayed us well before we went to CVA's side, but I also firmly believe that UK had every right to attack us once we sided with the other side of a 6 year old disupte, and someone who is actively engaging in sov warfare. Furthermore, us being allowed in providence was a threat to UK. Not a physical one, but rather an idealogical one.

Andreus LeHane
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2010.07.12 06:52:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Andreus LeHane on 12/07/2010 06:52:31
Originally by: Invelious
Somewhere, in all of this, you missed the fact that AAA did all the real work, and that none of this supposed "success" was possible without AAA.


This statement's so full of bitterness I could print it out, shred it and use it to flavour drinks at my next soiree.

Rorin Cutter
Caldari
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.12 07:23:00 - [27]
 

"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
- The Scriptures, Amarr Askura 10:3

Please understand Cannonman that those corporations that call themselves Ushra’Khan are rightfully bitter at this point, and they are of course taking this out on your alliance and its corporations.
You see Ushra'Khan assumed that CVA and the holders would dry up and disappear after loosing so much space. To see that the holders are still true to there faith, and burning away the veil of evil that has covered the lies and mistruths that Ushra'Khan has spread, is for them a hard truth to swallow, much less sell to there minions.
The fact of the matter is, there are more faithful, more “Amarr Victors!” being called every day. Ushra'Khan can never win, because they lack Gods blessing, and they lack the will of the people who live in these systems that AAA stole by force, and Ushra'Khan knows this well.

Never believe the Southern Coalitions propaganda, that Lord Aralis, is the “cause” of anyone’s downfall, this is not true. Lord Aralis is of course very much the “cause” of many pilots finding there lost faith and finding there way back to the Holy Empire.

Please make no mistake, God and the Empire will overcome this short-term problem in Providence, and you have chosen the correct side.


-Rorin Cutter
-Amarr Victor!

Michael Bross
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.07.12 07:54:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Rorin Cutter

You see Ushra'Khan assumed that CVA and the holders would dry up and disappear after loosing so much space.


Have you even bothered to read previous statements by Ushra'Khan?

I think we have stated more than enough times that we DO NOT believe the loss of Providence will destroy CVA or their agenda.

Maybe that will make it a little clearer for you to understand.

Rorin Cutter
Caldari
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.12 09:00:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Rorin Cutter on 12/07/2010 09:00:22
Of course you have stated that to the outside, but I have talked to many pilots during my personal wanderings, and they have told a different story.
Regardless, I do not recall seeing the word “destroyed” in my communication. Dry up and disappear are the words I remember using. And as I can see from the tone of your message, I was right about Ushra'Khan being disappointed.
You know, if you would simply acknowledge God, ask for forgiveness, and ask for help at the nearest Theology Council you too can be saved and brought closer to God. This is our duty, to help those that are unfortunate find the path to God.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin"
- The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

-Rorin Cutter
Amarr Victor!

Punx Evangeline
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.07.12 12:00:00 - [30]
 

Well done U'K. That is a fitting end for betrayers.

-Evangeline


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