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democrities
Zebra Corp
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.07.09 20:47:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Rawrr Baby
As topic says.

Plex is bought with real life money and scamming something that is involving real life money is probithet by law.

Extreme issue is here scamming of plexes and/or lossing them.


If i woud losse plex, i woud ****ing report it to police. I give a flying ****, i want that plex back, it was my money.


Yes, call the cops. You need to get the cops, Interpol the FBI and a swat team to surround CCP head quarters, and it may even be necessary to call in the natl guard. This will be something broadcast live on all news stations, and will be the utmost priority of all law enforcement agencies in the world. Game item theft is a class G-14 Felony, and ranks up there in the international world with genocide and warcrimes. Good luck.

Oh, and if you can find them, you may also be able to hire...
The A-team.

Maki Lolo
Posted - 2010.07.09 20:52:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Aqriue
Originally by: Intense Thinker
GTC are bought with rl money and cannot be scammed, PLEX are bought with isk and can be scammed. There is no way someone can force you to click accept on a scam contract and if you did you are teh suck Laughing


Who said they were accepting a scam contract? A player buys a PLEX (its a micro-transaction, no matter how much gravy you cover it with!) with RL cash. Its how its lost that may be the issue.

1. Player A spends RL money
2. redeems PLEX, relize they are in wrong station 2 jumps over, load into ship, get scanned, get popped, PLEX are looted by Player B
3. Player A miffed off at CCP's policy calls bank and has charges reversed, Player B gets free month.

Usually the company that completes the transaction has to eat the loss (CCP in this case) and pay back the customer. Player A may also cancel their account at the absurdity of the company's policy in question if they no longer like their policy. Oops! Harsh world CCP, got to adapt or die from your stupid mistakes. Sometimes its better to think it through then just giving the go ahead.

Where does CCP even come up with such silly ideas? Shocked


Incorrect, CCP wouldnt have to pay any money back, they just prove that the player in question got what they purchased. Once cush proof has been made then no refund is ever made back to the person that bought it.

Periapsis
Caldari
DotCoDotUk
Posted - 2010.07.09 20:54:00 - [33]
 

Something I dont quite get...if you can spend RL cash on a plex and that becomes an ingame item, why can you not then buy a fitted ship for cash.

For me the bottom line is the phrase "ingame item" a ship is an ingame item which is a destroyable item, if CCP make a plex the same surely they should now allow you to buy all destroyable ingame items with RL cash.

Just wandering out loud. Still love the game.

Tellenta
Gallente
versic LLC
Posted - 2010.07.09 22:13:00 - [34]
 

You know what would be awesome, if he actually did call the police and the police officer that showed up was the guy that scammed him. However the world is not that cool so it won't happen =/

Takashi Halamoto
Mercurialis Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.09 22:22:00 - [35]
 

but the police would still show up to caution him for wasting police time, that in itself would be a priceless image

because any lawyer would look at the EULA and say ccp has a cast iron defence in that once ANYTHING is an ingame item your rights are nonexistant and at the whim of ccp, if you dont like that you should have properly read the EULA and if you still dont like it, leave,

threatening legal action that will frankly fail horribly and incurr you costs does not make you look good

Thrasymachus TheSophist
Posted - 2010.07.09 22:26:00 - [36]
 

Its an interesting question. PLEX's special treatment (which thankfully now is a historical fact) combined with its admittedly unidirectional direct exchange for actual cash makes this a harder question than most posters here are willing to acknowledge.

Ultimately I hope it never goes that way, because once in-game items become legally recongized as currency, we'll all be paying sales and other miscellaneous taxes to whichever governments choose to enforce/introduce them.

Kesta Sovek
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2010.07.09 22:32:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Ehranavaar

in short if you have any intention of retaining your dignity NO.


I think that ship has sailed already.

Dr Deadbolt
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.09 22:50:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: BrundleMeth
Originally by: Aerilis
English isn't everyone's first language.
Just as in real life, I ignore those people completely. I don't speek gibberish and have no interest in trying to sort out someone elses mumbling...


I don't speek gibberish


LOL u are not very bright are you ?

Jeune
The Scope
Posted - 2010.07.10 00:22:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Rawrr Baby
As topic says.

Plex is bought with real life money and scamming something that is involving real life money is probithet by law.

Extreme issue is here scamming of plexes and/or lossing them.


If i woud losse plex, i woud ****ing report it to police. I give a flying ****, i want that plex back, it was my money.


We buy GTC's with RL money and convert them to PLEX in game. Essentially this is like a micro-transaction in other MMO's. If you lost your Scintillating Sword of Ass-Kicking in WoW would you still call the police? Doubt it... but if you do, record the convo and post it please. Twisted Evil
Also... it's your decision to try to transport it knowing that you could lose it, therefore the responsibility is yours, not CCP's.

Jason W0rthing
Posted - 2010.07.10 00:30:00 - [40]
 

OP is either an idiot or a troll.

Tai Paktu
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2010.07.10 00:35:00 - [41]
 

Bad troll was bad. 1/10.

Ascendic
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.07.10 00:43:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: War Kitten

And you'd probably find its not *that* easy to just "have the charges reversed" on your credit card so frivolously either.


Actually that is where you are wrong. I can and have on many accounts called my credit card company or even do it online and all I say is a) I did not buy this b) The company I purchased this product from is fraudulent

Bingo instantly charges reversed and company now gets to deal with my credit card company. Credit card company will send a paper for me to sign stating reasons for reversal etc. I sign and send it back. Good luck getting your money.

KaarBaak
Minmatar
Seatec Astronomy
Posted - 2010.07.10 00:43:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Larkonis Trassler
Originally by: Caphelo
It's actually a good question. Credit card companies probably would reverse the charge, and it would be up to CCP to challenge it. Would they challenge it over $15? It would probably cost them more than that to do the challenge. The easiest thing for CCP to do in reaction is to delete the PLEX or gametime that came from it.


No, the easiest thing to do would be to ban the person who reversed the charge for fraud.


^^This^^

That is the reason I no longer play EQ2. "Disagreement" about renewal dates and renewal terms (Yearly vs quarterly). Reversed the charge through my CC company no problem. Permaban from SOE, no problem. (actually, they were nice enough to say that if I made good on the reversed amount, they would re-activate it.)

KB

Digital Solaris
Posted - 2010.07.10 01:17:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Digital Solaris on 10/07/2010 01:17:25
Originally by: Rawrr Baby
Edited by: Rawrr Baby on 09/07/2010 18:09:48

Originally by: Johnny Dexter
Originally by: Rawrr Baby
Extreme issue is here scamming of plexes and/or lossing them.

If i woud losse plex, i woud ****ing report it to police. I give a flying ****, i want that plex back, it was my money.
I can sort of understand 'loose', but how the flying turd is it possible to think 'losse' is the correct spelling?


You do understand that there is not only america in this world Rolling Eyes On this forum, there are germans, swedish, russians, polish, etc...etc...

Welcome to world of many difirent talk's dumbed down idiot YARRRR!!


I am Swedish myself and I agree with Johnny Dexter. Where did you learn English?

tek0n
Teknival Info Line
Posted - 2010.07.10 01:32:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: tek0n on 10/07/2010 01:42:40
Only in the us civilian court would give you reason

QT McWhiskers
EdgeGamers
Situation: Normal
Posted - 2010.07.10 01:34:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: QT McWhiskers on 10/07/2010 01:42:05
Edited by: QT McWhiskers on 10/07/2010 01:41:20
Originally by: Thrasymachus TheSophist
Its an interesting question. PLEX's special treatment (which thankfully now is a historical fact) combined with its admittedly unidirectional direct exchange for actual cash makes this a harder question than most posters here are willing to acknowledge.

Ultimately I hope it never goes that way, because once in-game items become legally recongized as currency, we'll all be paying sales and other miscellaneous taxes to whichever governments choose to enforce/introduce them.


I will answer your question with another question. Do you pay tax on your ccp subscription? (other than the banks 2 dollar currency change charge) Do you pay tax on itunes songs?

And my answer to ANYONE who gets ganked with a PLEX in their cargo hold. Train up for a cove ups ship. The ONLY way to get ganked in high sec with a cove ops ship, is if you get smart bombed. And then at that point, it wouldnt matter anyways cause neither of you would get the game time.

And by cove ops, I mean helios, anathema, cheetah, or buzzard. I reguarly transport worm hole loot, sometimes in excess of 1 billion, in my anathema. Never once have I been even locked on the gates near trade hubs. Simply put train up for a covert ops ship with a covert ops cloaking device, and you wont get ganked easily.

Hari Markkus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.07.10 01:50:00 - [47]
 

I would be very careful saying such things. You don't want to give George Osborne, Steingrímur J. Sigfússon or Γιώργος Παπακωνσταντίνου any ideas on where they may find the cash they need.

If a plex has a value that is worth reporting to the police then it has a value that can be taxed.

Ori Blake
Posted - 2010.07.10 01:59:00 - [48]
 

I don't think it's possible because consenting to take it in your hold and out into space is accepting the risk. The thing is though, if you don't want the risk don't move it at all.

It's not a bad idea because its forced risk, it's just pointless because no sane person would take it out of its hold unless they are like the pinata ship guy and intending to lose it. There are plenty of commodities in game to play arbitrage on, gametime is a silly one.

Lekegolo Khanid
Arbeitaholics Anonymous
Posted - 2010.07.10 03:27:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Lekegolo Khanid on 10/07/2010 03:30:13
Edited by: Lekegolo Khanid on 10/07/2010 03:29:13
Originally by: Rawrr Baby
As topic says.

Plex is bought with real life money and scamming something that is involving real life money is probithet by law.

Extreme issue is here scamming of plexes and/or lossing them.


If i woud losse plex, i woud ****ing report it to police. I give a flying ****, i want that plex back, it was my money.



What if you got a PLEX, sold it, used the isk to buy....a carrier (i know) and then undocked the carrier and lost it? That was entirely possible with the old system and still is, what is the difference?. If you don't want to risking losing PLEX don't undock with PLEX. As for legality....you signed the EULA.

Kesta Sovek
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2010.07.10 03:42:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Ascendic
Originally by: War Kitten

And you'd probably find its not *that* easy to just "have the charges reversed" on your credit card so frivolously either.


Actually that is where you are wrong. I can and have on many accounts called my credit card company or even do it online and all I say is a) I did not buy this b) The company I purchased this product from is fraudulent

Bingo instantly charges reversed and company now gets to deal with my credit card company. Credit card company will send a paper for me to sign stating reasons for reversal etc. I sign and send it back. Good luck getting your money.


If I was CCP I'd probably ban your account for doing that. After I set your security status to -10 and moved you to Jita for a good laugh that is.

Shirei Fenikkusu
Knights of the Eternal Flame
Posted - 2010.07.10 07:53:00 - [51]
 

At this point, I believe that what CCP is doing is not illegal, but very unethical. It gives CCP the power, through their own game mechanics, to take away someones game time and boost their own bottom line. Of course, I could just never undock with a PLEX in my hold, but if CCP are willing to add game mechanics that have the potential of robbing me, how much can we really trust CCP not to do that out-of-game?


Zachstar
Posted - 2010.07.10 08:29:00 - [52]
 

First off don't just make a simple whine thread. Put some detail in it and describe what sections of laws violated by the damage.

Second you don't call the police over a game like this. That will get you read the Riot act if you are lucky or ticketed or even arrested for wasting a patrol officer's time.

Also while the ability for the plex to be lost or destroyed will likely face a serious legal challenge in court once someone loses thousands of dollars of RL money due to large amounts of plex lost in one run. No one single or even tens of lost plex is going to matter much to the authorities. At worst it will get them in trouble with the BBB but that is about it.

Also there is a clear and defined method of not losing your plex. Never undock with it in cargo.

Miss Connolly
Public Relations Corp
Posted - 2010.07.10 08:45:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Caphelo
It's actually a good question. Credit card companies probably would reverse the charge, and it would be up to CCP to challenge it. Would they challenge it over $15? It would probably cost them more than that to do the challenge. The easiest thing for CCP to do in reaction is to delete the PLEX or gametime that came from it.


this is unrealistic. The CC company / bank will only reverse the transaction if you become the victim of a crime. Since ccp correctly delivered you your PLEX the transaction is complete and there are no grounds to reverse the payment. All steps you take after this initial purchase happens within eve and is thus subject to the EULA / ToS (which expressly allow theft and destruction of in-game assets). Thus you'd be the one scamming CCP (by reversing the transaction after taking posession of the goods you purchased) and not the other way around.

Jack Icegaard
The Omega Project
Posted - 2010.07.10 08:52:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Jack Icegaard on 10/07/2010 09:40:36
Items lost through normal game-play is of course not a case for the police. It would be like calling the cops over losing poker chips on a poker site. “I got bluffed, surely Interpol will give me my money back!”

mandaro
Posted - 2010.07.10 14:07:00 - [55]
 

(Insert explanation over how GTC is ingame item etc etc etc EULA blah blah blah CCP yadda yadda blah blah)

Here's a novel idea:
Add the freaking things to your account time where you've redeemed them.

They are remotely useable and from what I can read in the devblog, this won't change.

tl;dr:
Just do what you've been doing till now.Rolling Eyes

TR4D3SM3N
Posted - 2010.07.10 14:33:00 - [56]
 

I have no idea about contract law, but by you clicking accept on a contract, you have therefore agreed to the above details. Displaying incorrent or unsound information on a real life contract probably has rules.

mandaro
Posted - 2010.07.10 14:35:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: TR4D3SM3N
I have no idea about contract law, but by you clicking accept on a contract, you have therefore agreed to the above details. Displaying incorrent or unsound information on a real life contract probably has rules.


ZOMG EVE R RL LIFE NAU?

Novantco
The Tuskers
Posted - 2010.07.10 14:39:00 - [58]
 

Ahahahaha.

Riedle
Minmatar
Paradox Collective
Posted - 2010.07.10 14:45:00 - [59]
 

There ain't no cure for stupid.

And education, far from curing stupid, tends only to aggravate it.

When I wonder where my taxes are going, I remember people like the OP.

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2010.07.10 14:47:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: BrundleMeth
Originally by: Aerilis
English isn't everyone's first language.
Just as in real life, I ignore those people completely. I don't speek gibberish and have no interest in trying to sort out someone elses mumbling...
Ever been in a country where they don't speak your language, or is the thought of leaving the trailer park too frightening?


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