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jakejekel
Caldari
Night Breed Pack
Spectrum Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:20:00 - [91]
 

i can't say for sure, but doesn't this change remove a little bit of strain from the servers too? i mean, a special restriction on 1 item would require coding and such for that 1 item. removing the restriction would allow that coding to be removed as well, thus streamlining all of eve just a little bit. also, i would do the same thing as far as being destroyed goes, it is good business strategy. either way, it is a good move, thank you ccp.Very Happy

Larkonis Trassler
Doctrine.
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:21:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: CopyCatz
I sure hope this is legal in all the subscribers home countries.. If I buy a subscription to a magazine, and the paperboy gets podded along the way, I still have the right to receive the copy I paid for. Since when would an online game allow people's subscriptions to be stolen... If anything some annoying US lawyer could have a field day with this Very Happy


Wow. You're dumb.

Once the PLEX has been redeemed in game it is in your posession. If your paper gets stolen from you after you've taken delivery of it then you don't have the right to demand another copy from the publisher.

CopyCatz
Caldari
Brewery Research Ltd
Ethereal Dawn
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:21:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: TimT7

It's fun how CCP thinks their subscribers are all morons who don't see the real logic behind this change. This is just plain greedy from CCP and that's the bottom line reason why I don't like the change. I can totally understand the change from CCP's point of view, I would like the free money too without having to provide anything (game content) in return.


Greed it is. But could it be illegal this time :) /me grabs popcorn Cool

Flippington Bigboy
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:23:00 - [94]
 

What a fantastic idea. Well done CCP; moving a truckload of PLEX around in my cargo hold will be a brilliant bit of nail - biting fun.

TimT7
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:23:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: CopyCatz
Originally by: TimT7

It's fun how CCP thinks their subscribers are all morons who don't see the real logic behind this change. This is just plain greedy from CCP and that's the bottom line reason why I don't like the change. I can totally understand the change from CCP's point of view, I would like the free money too without having to provide anything (game content) in return.


Greed it is. But could it be illegal this time :) /me grabs popcorn Cool


I don't think it's illegal or anything. Other games have been offering in-game items for real money already (buy a shiny sword for 5 euros). I hope that CCP uses some of the free money to actually improve EVE (remove lag please).

Eaton d'Sorder
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:25:00 - [96]
 

/me gets tinfoil hat out....

how do we know it isn't still a 'special case' ?
what is to keep CCP from setting the destruction/loot drop percentage lower than other items so that more get bought than actually used?

Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Spikes Chop Shop
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:25:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: CopyCatz
Originally by: TimT7

It's fun how CCP thinks their subscribers are all morons who don't see the real logic behind this change. This is just plain greedy from CCP and that's the bottom line reason why I don't like the change. I can totally understand the change from CCP's point of view, I would like the free money too without having to provide anything (game content) in return.


Greed it is. But could it be illegal this time :) /me grabs popcorn Cool


considering PLEX scam is perfectly legitimate within game, nothing changes. some people regulary lose more than PLEX worth a kill.

CopyCatz
Caldari
Brewery Research Ltd
Ethereal Dawn
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:26:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Larkonis Trassler


Wow. You're dumb.

Once the PLEX has been redeemed in game it is in your posession. If your paper gets stolen from you after you've taken delivery of it then you don't have the right to demand another copy from the publisher.


The purpose of a plex is not the item itself but the month of gametime it stands for. You're not buying an icon you know... Essentially you're buying game time in advance, and this is basically CCP saying damned if we care if you can't apply it.

I know this game is supposed to be all about griefing, but when real money gets involved, real life can get involved too.

Ceirah
SniggWaffe
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:30:00 - [99]
 

So, just another 300 ish mil worth item that you can find in the wreck..

Larkonis Trassler
Doctrine.
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:31:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: CopyCatz
Originally by: Larkonis Trassler


Wow. You're dumb.

Once the PLEX has been redeemed in game it is in your posession. If your paper gets stolen from you after you've taken delivery of it then you don't have the right to demand another copy from the publisher.


The purpose of a plex is not the item itself but the month of gametime it stands for. You're not buying an icon you know... Essentially you're buying game time in advance, and this is basically CCP saying damned if we care if you can't apply it.

I know this game is supposed to be all about griefing, but when real money gets involved, real life can get involved too.


Considering that, as it stands, you can scam PLEXs I really don't see this making much difference.

The vast majority of people who buy PLEXs do so for resale (protip: subscriptions are generally much more efficient RL money wise than PLEXs).

And as has been said, nobody is going to force you to undock with a PLEX in your hold.

Once you have ownership of a PLEX it is no different to any object with a similar value up until you trade it for game time.

TimT7
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:32:00 - [101]
 

Edited by: TimT7 on 09/07/2010 17:32:59
You can already buy SP:s with real money (max skilled or 100m sp character for X amount of ISK). You can already buy a titan with real money. The ISK+plex thing is just the middle point in this process of converting real money to ISK and then to in-game items or sp:s. CCP could just slap a real money pricetag on every item in this game. Titan 1000 euros, JF 200 euros etc. It's all good business but actually this kind of development will kill people's interest in EVE.

Kweel Nakashyn
shadow and cloaking
Yggdrasill.
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:33:00 - [102]
 

Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 09/07/2010 17:42:13

THIS IS MADNESS

well, sort of.

Nobody can destroy one month subscription so why would CCP do that, within their "destroyed cargo" black box algorythms.

CCP, it's a dangerous gray area there, putting real life money into a game and loosing it is heavely ruled in some countries.

Galax Jin
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:39:00 - [103]
 

YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!Hope CCP is ready for the amount of pirates at hubs to increase four folds.YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!

Haang D'man
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:40:00 - [104]
 

Let the trading begin..Very Happy

Burseg Sardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:42:00 - [105]
 

Amazing.... Simply amazing.

Huge Heffner
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:43:00 - [106]
 

Stage 1) Setup Covert Ops gank squad outside station
Stage 2) Talk a noob into collateral-lessly couriering PLEX a few stations away under the premise that too many people will be looking for you with a PLEX ("just do it in your shuttle, nobody will ever expect you")
Stage 3) ??? [HINT: Guilt] ???
Stage 4) Profit !

AdZc
Caldari
Legio Prima Victrix
Imperius Legio Victrix
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:47:00 - [107]
 

Edited by: AdZc on 09/07/2010 17:49:53
Lol i cant wait for the first tears for the Freighter filled with em! hahaha...unlikely but im sure there is someone silly enough.

Ok so maybe not a freighter sized....u get the idea.

Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn
Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 09/07/2010 17:42:13

THIS IS MADNESS

well, sort of.

Nobody can destroy one month subscription so why would CCP do that, within their "destroyed cargo" black box algorythms.

CCP, it's a dangerous gray area there, putting real life money into a game and loosing it is heavely ruled in some countries.



Until u apply it to ur account its still an ingame item, u are losing wat 400mil? like Dev Blog Says there are ships more vaulble than that.

I use plex on my accounts, rest assured i will not be taking out of station lol.

1) Trading alt (on same account) in jita/wherever
2) Give isk to Alt
3) Buy Plex
4) $%^ Magic
5) 30 days on ur account yay!

Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:48:00 - [108]
 

good change i guess, doesn't really make any difference tho

what's really needed is the ability to apply plexes to other characters/accounts so you can activate other accounts without having to buy a forum GTC

AdZc
Caldari
Legio Prima Victrix
Imperius Legio Victrix
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:52:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
good change i guess, doesn't really make any difference tho

what's really needed is the ability to apply plexes to other characters/accounts so you can activate other accounts without having to buy a forum GTC


+1 i have this problem occasionaly, however a helpful GM set my alt account to give me the 10 day reminder u get after you apply a GTC so i can tell wen my alt getting low on playtime :)

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:56:00 - [110]
 

Nice blog Zulu, and nice EVE-ish cut and dried reasoning for the change!

I hope the same type of reasoning could be applied to something else you've promised to look into.

The last recorded EVE forum post from you is dated 2009.03.05 and has this to say:

Originally by: CCP Zulupark

Ok, so here's where things stand:

Currently over the past months the devs have been busy working on Apocrypha and so far there hasn't been a lot of revisiting old systems or rebalancing. However those things (especially local in 0.0 and black-ops) are very high on the priority list post-release.

So things are happening, just not as fast as everyone would have wanted. It's hard to balance the development of new features against iterating on old ones. We most definitely want to take some time after release and examine a lot of gameplay and re-evaluate it.

Hope that answers your questions.

Hopefully, since then you've had plenty of time to have been very vigilant in monitoring the status of Delayed Local in-game, its usage and potential. You should currently be at a point where you've been looking at the pool, measuring the depth, estimating tactics and now it's simply time to dive in.

Isn't it? Or is Delayed Local in 0.0 just another sacrifice to Incarna and Dust, just another case of internet spaceships becoming less and less important to Serious Business?

Hope this isn't so.

Telorast
Caldari
Helljumpers
White Noise.
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:58:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
good change i guess, doesn't really make any difference tho

what's really needed is the ability to apply plexes to other characters/accounts so you can activate other accounts without having to buy a forum GTC


That's why they added the redeem system, just buy one in advance and add it to redeemable items then you can reactivate your account after it has expired.


What I don't understand is why anyone would want to move PLEX from stations when they can be applied from anywhere anyway.

AdZc
Caldari
Legio Prima Victrix
Imperius Legio Victrix
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:59:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: Larkonis Trassler



The vast majority of people who buy PLEXs do so for resale (protip: subscriptions are generally much more efficient RL money wise than PLEXs).




How so? I cant afford 2 account subscriptions....so i make isk in game and pay for it?

End of month u out of pocket - 30 or so
Me - nothing!

I love the fact that eve allows this.

Shiho Weitong
Caldari
Koa Mai Hoku
Posted - 2010.07.09 17:59:00 - [113]
 

Nice change. I like it.

No more special status for a 0.01 m^3 piece of paper.

And to people who seems to whine and cry. HTFU, and realize, that as soon as you buy a plex, you don't own the money anymore. You have holding right over a piece of intellectual property owned by CCP.

Remember that EULA you signed. In that you acknowledge that CCP owns everything on the server. EVERYTHING. That's right. Your plexes, your ships, your loot and even your characters.

Georgiy Giggle
The Sith Syndicate
Posted - 2010.07.09 18:00:00 - [114]
 

It's epic fail!

If you want to make able to redeem plex into\from player\s tation, just DO THAT!
It's realy not necessary to make PLEXes be able to haul by ships in space.

Sure it's realy good for CCP.
Example: player bought PLEX, undocked, lost ship, PLEX destroyed.
Then he is going to buy new one.
CCP earned more money.
Realy good system to make your wallets bigger, CCP!

So, i absolutely disagree.

E P I C F A I L !

Elgaris Dukor
Caldari
Femti Runa Eru
ParadoXon Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.09 18:02:00 - [115]
 

Hello CCP,

Im not sure this is a good change (well mabe for you. I explain later). While you can compare the value of a PLEX to other ingame items they are still not the same.
PLEX are nothing more than kondensed game time. This makes them special towards every other item. If 300m ship explodes its gone but there is no effect outside of the game. If a PLEX gets destroyed 30 days of gametime vanish that have to be bought again! This makes you effectively 15€ for every PLEX that gets destroyed.

I do not appreciate this changes, because it is a machanic that lets players consume more gametime without acctually getting more gametime.

Elgaris

Larkonis Trassler
Doctrine.
Posted - 2010.07.09 18:02:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: AdZc
Originally by: Larkonis Trassler



The vast majority of people who buy PLEXs do so for resale (protip: subscriptions are generally much more efficient RL money wise than PLEXs).




How so? I cant afford 2 account subscriptions....so i make isk in game and pay for it?

End of month u out of pocket - 30 or so
Me - nothing!

I love the fact that eve allows this.


I was implying that buying PLEX to apply to your own account with RL money isn't as cost effective as directly subscribing.

Aineko Macx
Posted - 2010.07.09 18:06:00 - [117]
 

I recon this is a good way to thin out PLEX supply. So this is stealth nerf to people paying for their game time with ISK.

AdZc
Caldari
Legio Prima Victrix
Imperius Legio Victrix
Posted - 2010.07.09 18:06:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Larkonis Trassler
Originally by: AdZc
Originally by: Larkonis Trassler



The vast majority of people who buy PLEXs do so for resale (protip: subscriptions are generally much more efficient RL money wise than PLEXs).




How so? I cant afford 2 account subscriptions....so i make isk in game and pay for it?

End of month u out of pocket - 30 or so
Me - nothing!

I love the fact that eve allows this.


I was implying that buying PLEX to apply to your own account with RL money isn't as cost effective as directly subscribing.


Ok i get u now Smile

Shiho Weitong
Caldari
Koa Mai Hoku
Posted - 2010.07.09 18:07:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: Georgiy Giggle
It's epic fail!

If you want to make able to redeem plex into\from player\s tation, just DO THAT!
It's realy not necessary to make PLEXes be able to haul by ships in space.

Sure it's realy good for CCP.
Example: player bought PLEX, undocked, lost ship, PLEX destroyed.
Then he is going to buy new one.
CCP earned more money.
Realy good system to make your wallets bigger, CCP!

So, i absolutely disagree.

E P I C F A I L !


Protip: Don't undock with a plex, if you need it for gametime.

Protip: Don't redeem a plex where the price isn't high enough, if you need it for isk.

Protip: Don't cry when you buy a cheap plex on market and try to haul it somewhere to profit, and gets arped.

Protip: HTFU

0oO0oOoOo0o
Posted - 2010.07.09 18:08:00 - [120]
 

Edited by: 0oO0oOoOo0o on 09/07/2010 18:10:17
Hardly anyone will transport a plex in a ship that is not 100% safe from ganks, there is no point for the pirates to yarr so loud in this thread.

CCP, can you make a change that really matters ? Can you give us the option to buy an attribute remap timer reset for 1 plex, so that we don't have to wait a whole year ? I bet this way you'd "remove" much more plexes from the game than in potential destructions while being in the cargo of a ganked ship.


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