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Fumitsugu
Posted - 2010.07.09 12:05:00 - [1]
 

I'm looking to get into a Sabre for 0.0 fun. Unfortunately, bubbling and interdictor tactics aren't something you can practice until you're in your expensive piece of origami.

Is there an up to date guide on dictors, or does anyone have any pearls of wisdom to share? I'm specifically looking at solo or small gang work.

Thanks in advance!

Lightningshade
Caldari
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2010.07.09 12:26:00 - [2]
 

if it's gang, bubble up, run away.

Not sure for small work where they need extra DPS

SpankSkank
Posted - 2010.07.09 13:47:00 - [3]
 

If you want to practice, load up SiSi and try it out there. I'm pretty sure there are FFA zones, not sure if they are 0.0 (ie. bubble friendly) or not, but maybe worth a look.

Astald Ohtar
AtlantiA French Corp
Yulai Federation
Posted - 2010.07.09 13:51:00 - [4]
 

its in fd- system in syndicate region , and yes its a 0.0 system with bacons for FFA and ships/modules are 100isk , read the rules of the test server before login

Ethan Blue
Caldari
Dirty Rotten Bastards
Posted - 2010.07.09 19:35:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Astald Ohtar
its in fd- system in syndicate region , and yes its a 0.0 system with bacons for FFA and ships/modules are 100isk , read the rules of the test server before login


So they throw out chunks of ham for you to warp to?

Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
Posted - 2010.07.09 19:56:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: SpankSkank
If you want to practice, load up SiSi and try it out there. I'm pretty sure there are FFA zones, not sure if they are 0.0 (ie. bubble friendly) or not, but maybe worth a look.
Bubbles arn't allowed on SiSi (maybe allowed with consent between parties). Anyways it you set them up on the beacons or the gates you may be banned until the next mirror.

Arch Widowmaker
Cry Wolf.
Posted - 2010.07.10 20:24:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Arch Widowmaker on 10/07/2010 20:30:54
Hey Fumi!

Give me a yell in public next time you see me on, and I'll do some tests with you on sisi.

Edit: I know you asked specifically on guides for dictors, but perhaps this guide on Heavy Interdictors could give some insight? At least I found it to be a fairly good read a while back.

http://evemonkey.wordpress.com/2009/09/07/heavy-interdictor-guide/

Fumitsugu
Posted - 2010.07.11 11:19:00 - [8]
 

Thanks everyone, was forgetting Sisi

Originally by: Arch Widowmaker
Edited by: Arch Widowmaker on 10/07/2010 20:30:54
Hey Fumi!

Give me a yell in public next time you see me on, and I'll do some tests with you on sisi.

Edit: I know you asked specifically on guides for dictors, but perhaps this guide on Heavy Interdictors could give some insight? At least I found it to be a fairly good read a while back.

http://evemonkey.wordpress.com/2009/09/07/heavy-interdictor-guide/


Thanks Arch, I appreciate it. Let me actually get the skills ready (still got evasive 5, prop jamming 5 and destroyers 5 to come Laughing)and I'll take you up on your offer.


Demolishar
Posted - 2010.07.11 11:31:00 - [9]
 

If you think Dictors are expensive, they're not the ship for you.

Chicken Runner
Posted - 2010.07.11 12:21:00 - [10]
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdoR7mhyWe8 this was made in 2007 but will give you a good start.

Lithia Tsanov
Posted - 2010.07.12 04:12:00 - [11]
 

Fumitsugu,

Once you complete the "My First Sabre" coloring and activity book, you'll need to decide if you're serious about flying a Dic.

If you're still syched to fly one after your first loss, you'll want to find a mentor. Most Sabre pilots treat it like a mini-Vaga. Some treat it like an interceptor or assault frig. To each their own... Find yourself an interdiction specialist that knows the difference between screen and sling, between reveal and covert-reveal, and when to implement the various interdiction methodologies.

Currently, there is no interdiction guide available. The existence of one would likely ruin the game for many players.

If you get stuck and cannot find a mentor, ping me and I'll see if I can set you up with someone (I still train, but only for isk).

LT

Fumitsugu
Posted - 2010.07.12 06:13:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Fumitsugu on 12/07/2010 06:16:04
Edited by: Fumitsugu on 12/07/2010 06:14:09
Originally by: Lithia Tsanov
Fumitsugu,

Once you complete the "My First Sabre" coloring and activity book, you'll need to decide if you're serious about flying a Dic.

If you're still syched to fly one after your first loss, you'll want to find a mentor. Most Sabre pilots treat it like a mini-Vaga. Some treat it like an interceptor or assault frig. To each their own... Find yourself an interdiction specialist that knows the difference between screen and sling, between reveal and covert-reveal, and when to implement the various interdiction methodologies.

Currently, there is no interdiction guide available. The existence of one would likely ruin the game for many players.

If you get stuck and cannot find a mentor, ping me and I'll see if I can set you up with someone (I still train, but only for isk).

LT


Thanks for the help Lithia, I'll bear it in mind.

Fumi

ed. And thanks chicken, I'll check the video later, currently at work.
ed. 2 , removed early morning/ no coffee response to Demolishar's post. It's actually pretty good advice Embarassed

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.12 07:04:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Furb Killer on 12/07/2010 07:08:01
Main difference from that vid is that these days you cannot warp out of bubbles anymore if you initiated the warp before the bubble was dropped.

If you dont think dictors are expensive, you probably arent flying them. Remember they have a big PRIMARY sign painted on them. And while faster, they are still destroyers which is the class with least survivability.

Imo you really dont need to worry that much about how hard flying a dictor would be. A drag bubble isnt that hard to understand, but it is also barely used by interdictor pilots, they are used far more often by anchorable bubbles or hictors than dictors.
Important thing what you do need to know when a roaming gang starts, what the FC wants you to do when a red jumps in on you: Bubble always, only on FC command, or what you think is best.

Shade Millith
Caldari
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.07.12 08:32:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Furb Killer
If you dont think dictors are expensive, you probably arent flying them. Remember they have a big PRIMARY sign painted on them. And while faster, they are still destroyers which is the class with least survivability.



Depends on what you're used to flying as well, and which Dic your using

Basicly, if at all possible, don't use a sabre for fleets. Use the cheaper ones.

Flycatcher is only slightly more expensive than a intercepter, while the sabre is twice the flycatcher

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.12 12:50:00 - [15]
 

True, i use myself sabres for gangs and eris for fleets (granted havent used them in fleets in long time and sabre not that often also, mainly fly logistics these days). But for gang work sabre is just clearly best, and for fleet work you either warp out in time or die.

Lithia Tsanov
Posted - 2010.07.12 16:15:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Furb Killer
Important thing what you do need to know when a roaming gang starts, what the FC wants you to do when a red jumps in on you: Bubble always, only on FC command, or what you think is best.


Once you have gotten your chops, do your best to interpret what the FC desires, rather than doing exactly what they say.

Most FCs are not interdiction practitioners and need a bit of assistance with its implementation. Don't get discouraged when the FC calls you a "Fail Dictor" on comms when you use reveal tech. He just doesn't know any better (yet).

LT


Drykor
Minmatar
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2010.07.12 18:26:00 - [17]
 

All I can say is don't fly them as mini-vaga's or interceptors/assault frigs. They're interdictors and they're ment to do 2 things: drop bubbles, and stay alive to drop more bubbles. Interceptors can do the interceptor role just fine. Post Sabre-nerf AND speed-nerf they're really too fragile to actually use for dps. You can help tackle stuff when going after single targets though.

FullNelson Mandella
Posted - 2010.07.17 20:33:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Drykor
All I can say is don't fly them as mini-vaga's or interceptors/assault frigs. They're interdictors and they're ment to do 2 things: drop bubbles, and stay alive to drop more bubbles.


Note that having a friendly falcon present greatly changes the role. A Sabre does about as many DPS as a typical Rapier. It's basically half a vaga and makes a great light tackle. This is.. provided that you can "Rodeo" the target for 8 seconds while your falcon gets jams.

I keep a cowboy hat by my desk for this very reason.

LT


n0thing
Executive Intervention
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2010.07.18 00:12:00 - [19]
 

Like someone said above, your ship has specific value in gang, and because of this, it can also make all your team get shot down,
Listen to your FC, throw a bubble only by his command, even if you see the enemy warp to you, dont touch the interdiction probe untill FC calls for it, I have seen quite a few gangs shot down just because dictor dropped a probe when bait came in.

gl

Lithia Tsanov
Posted - 2010.07.18 01:59:00 - [20]
 

Agreed. Most young dictor pilots are entirely too cavalier with their bubbling. That said. If you are not a dictor, and you find yourself in a bubble, your first priority is to "get out of the bubble". Then fight, then yell at your dictor pilot. Only a seasoned PvPer is capable of doing all three at once.


Oguras
Gallente
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2010.09.23 05:13:00 - [21]
 

hehe expensive piece of origami? They are cheap as chips, and with insurance changes you can even make money loosing it with some reimbursement program (any serious alliance has them).

Can't afford to loose, don't fly it..

Anyway, that's sad there's no proper guide how to fly them in fleet battles..

ROXGenghis
Perkone
Posted - 2010.09.23 13:38:00 - [22]
 

Not yet mentioned are cloaks and double-bubble.

Double-bubble is great on a fleet dictor (not a Sabre) to improve your flexibility. You can drop 2 bubbles in quick succession if you're not under threat. Or, after warping out, you can warp back in for your second bubble more quickly. Or you can bubble both sides of a gate very quickly.

Cloaks can be great on all dictors to improve survivability. In a fleet dictor, your job isn't to target things, so who cares about your lock time? Even on a Sabre it can be worth it. A common tactic is to sit 2000<x<2500 below a gate, cloaked, until a surprise bubble is needed.

Originally by: Lithia Tsanov
Find yourself an interdiction specialist that knows the difference between screen and sling, between reveal and covert-reveal, and when to implement the various interdiction methodologies.


I'll bite: what is "reveal" and "covert-reveal"?


Intigo
Amarr
Genos Occidere
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.09.23 17:41:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Intigo on 23/09/2010 17:41:49
Hahaha.

Lithia throwing terms around again to act smart. Wink Hope you're good, Lithia!

Also, Sabre is a good fleet dictor. Heretic may be slightly better, but the Sabre still beats out the bad-catcher and the Eris (unless you are specifically going for price).

K5Project
Imperial Manufactorum
Armada Assail
Posted - 2010.09.23 18:41:00 - [24]
 

Interdictors die it whats happens and your own bubble is your worst enemy (in combo with the guys shooting at you)

ROXGenghis
Perkone
Posted - 2010.09.24 13:42:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Intigo
Edited by: Intigo on 23/09/2010 17:41:49
Hahaha.

Lithia throwing terms around again to act smart.


OK, so they're just terms he made up to describe something everyone knows about anyway. When you spend your entire Eve career in a single ship I suppose you get that privilege :)

Demented Foe
Posted - 2010.09.27 07:42:00 - [26]
 

Just common tips i'd pass along as a dictor pilot.

1> Know the gang you are flying with.

If you are in a small gang, fit one bubble and a cloak. If it is a large fleet engagement, double up. When in doubt, ask the FC.

Reason for the cloak is this. If you are sitting on a gate, you want to be cloaked. Doing so and remaining hidden can get you action. Instead of nailing the scout for a juicier target you sit and wait. People will chance a lot if they don't see a dictor and think they can blow through the camp. Seeing a dictor is a STOP for most folks trying to hustle through systems.

2> You are not a DPS ship.

You're sole job is to make it a pain for the target to get away. Sit above the gate, drop bubble when FC asks for it. Be prepared to jump through and bubble the other side in case the target tries to burn back.

If it is a bigger engagement, drop bubble, pulse mwd, and cloak. I like to pick my alignment point before hand. If you survive, you live to drop another bubble.

That is pretty much it. Plan on dieing a lot but being everyone'e hero for catching your target.

Other than that, it is just getting a feel for how it works.

MrZany
Amarr
Brood of Redemption
Posted - 2010.09.28 17:26:00 - [27]
 

Hope this helps..oldie but goodie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdoR7mhyWe8


 

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