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Miss Fayr
Posted - 2010.07.08 19:01:00 - [1]
 

Over at Blizzard, you can see some interesting developments in regards to their RealID feature. Most notably, their real names are not only available on the forums but necessary—i.e., when people post on Blizzard, they have their real names attached to their posts.

My first reaction was that the ≡v≡ FORUMS and in-game characters NEED this! Having peoples' real names entangled with the drama that unfolds would seriously eliminate most of the trolling, griefing, and intercorp drama that happens on these boards and in game. How could someone dare to scam someone when they could be held accountable in real life? How could someone bear to gank my raven knowing full well that they would always be associated with destroying hours upon hours of my hard work? It would be as if someone came into my house and burned my money—but this time I know their name.

Not only would this help eliminate some of the problems plaguing ≡v≡ and ≡v≡'s forums but also help bind people closer in the game. Knowing people's real names would help people become closer because they are not only making a virtual friendship but a real life one too. This, in turn, would allow people to value their ≡v≡ experience more.

People should be held accountable for their online actions! Anonymity hurts this game, and the future is moving forward to consolidated accounts that are linked to your real personality and name. Your Google account, your OpenID, your Facebook account, and now RealID. Make a CCP id and make the internet intimate again!

~Miss Fayr~

Albetta
Gallente
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2010.07.08 19:04:00 - [2]
 

Considering how fanatical people get over WoW, i wouldn't be surprised if somebody ends up dead because of this "real ID".

Felix Esperium
Lysergic Distortions Research and Development
Posted - 2010.07.08 19:05:00 - [3]
 

ibtl

Imprez04
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.07.08 19:06:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Imprez04 on 08/07/2010 19:06:26
Originally by: Albetta
Considering how fanatical people get over WoW, i wouldn't be surprised if somebody ends up dead because of this "real ID".


"CCP ID"

FIFY.


and i agree.

Barakkus
Posted - 2010.07.08 19:07:00 - [5]
 

A third thread wasn't really necessary.

Please review this before posting in the future.

el caido
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2010.07.08 19:09:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Miss Fayr
... would seriously eliminate most of the trolling ...
Ironic, considering the nature of the OP. Also, your argument does not meet a burden of proof. IBTL?

CCP Zymurgist


Gallente
C C P
Posted - 2010.07.08 19:09:00 - [7]
 

Moved from General Discussion to Out of Pod Experience.

Albetta
Gallente
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2010.07.08 19:10:00 - [8]
 

As a follow up, I consider the internet a place of neutrality. Whether or not the OP was being a troll or not, this is a serious issue. In my opinion, your actions in real life and online should not interact. Anonymity is what allows us to pour our TRUE selves into our in-game characters. Knowing that we will not be critised for what we really think. That, and the idea that everything i have said and done online can be traced by a simple google search is what puts me against this real ID crap.

Jada Maroo
Posted - 2010.07.08 19:12:00 - [9]
 

To the OP/troll who wants everyone to use their real names here: You first.

Miss Fayr
Posted - 2010.07.08 19:18:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Jada Maroo
To the OP/troll who wants everyone to use their real names here: You first.


Well I would willingly give my name and/or main account but I would not want to be the target of griefing from ANONYMOUS people.

~Miss Fayr~

Yuki Katsumura
Caldari
Carthage Industries
Posted - 2010.07.08 19:20:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Miss Fayr
Originally by: Jada Maroo
To the OP/troll who wants everyone to use their real names here: You first.


Well I would willingly give my name and/or main account but I would not want to be the target of griefing from ANONYMOUS people.

~Miss Fayr~


But it wouldn't end in anything serious, right? If you give me your name, I'll give you mine, so there, no anonymous griefing.

Miss Fayr
Posted - 2010.07.08 19:23:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Yuki Katsumura
Originally by: Miss Fayr
Originally by: Jada Maroo
To the OP/troll who wants everyone to use their real names here: You first.


Well I would willingly give my name and/or main account but I would not want to be the target of griefing from ANONYMOUS people.

~Miss Fayr~


But it wouldn't end in anything serious, right? If you give me your name, I'll give you mine, so there, no anonymous griefing.


Just call me Pär.

~Miss Fayr~

Yuki Katsumura
Caldari
Carthage Industries
Posted - 2010.07.08 19:28:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Miss Fayr


Just call me Pär.

~Miss Fayr~


You and Sir Molle share the same first name Wink

But that also seems to be a common first name Wink

Jett Rockswell
Posted - 2010.07.08 19:34:00 - [14]
 

Dear OP, are you saying you want everyone who plays this game to have your personal information, and be able to email you, look you up on FB, etc, and generally have the ability to dig into your real life? And this would make you feel more secure?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Yuki Katsumura
Caldari
Carthage Industries
Posted - 2010.07.08 19:39:00 - [15]
 

You wouldn't happen to be Pär Lönnerhed or Pär Moberg would you? Seem to be alot of Pär's associated with EVE online Razz

Miss Fayr
Posted - 2010.07.08 19:42:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Jett Rockswell
Dear OP, are you saying you want everyone who plays this game to have your personal information, and be able to email you, look you up on FB, etc, and generally have the ability to dig into your real life? And this would make you feel more secure?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!



Yes it would be cause I can do the same thing to them thus making thepoint moot. Who would do that when the same thing could happen to them?

~Miss Fayr~

Jada Maroo
Posted - 2010.07.08 19:47:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Jada Maroo on 08/07/2010 19:48:06
Originally by: Miss Fayr


Yes it would be cause I can do the same thing to them thus making thepoint moot. Who would do that when the same thing could happen to them?

~Miss Fayr~


How are you going to know who's harrassing you, especially if there's 10-20 people ragging on you? It could be any one of them and they could harrass you outside of the official forums in any number of very well populated unofficial forums all they want in total anonymity.

If I really wanted to harrass someone I would get a picture of them, photoshop them into some sick sexual position, or burning a Quran, or stomping a kitten and put all their contact info on it and upload it to usenet and 4chan in a totally untraceable way.

Barakkus
Posted - 2010.07.08 19:48:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Miss Fayr
Originally by: Jett Rockswell
Dear OP, are you saying you want everyone who plays this game to have your personal information, and be able to email you, look you up on FB, etc, and generally have the ability to dig into your real life? And this would make you feel more secure?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!



Yes it would be cause I can do the same thing to them thus making thepoint moot. Who would do that when the same thing could happen to them?

~Miss Fayr~


You'd have to do it to every single forum poster then b/c you more than likely would have no idea who it was that started in on you to begin with.

Kweel Nakashyn
shadow and cloaking
Yggdrasill.
Posted - 2010.07.08 19:50:00 - [19]
 

Yeah cool, so even my boss could know i'm playing internet spaceships.

Miss Fayr
Posted - 2010.07.08 20:20:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn
Yeah cool, so even my boss could know i'm playing internet spaceships.


Well if your afraid of getting caught by your boss don't do it at all!!

~Miss Fayr~

Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
Posted - 2010.07.08 20:37:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Miss Fayr
Over at Blizzard, you can see some interesting developments in regards to their RealID feature.

[...]

~Miss Fayr~



42,000 replies and 2,100 pages with mostly negative opinions don't really work for you, right? Rolling Eyes

Barakkus
Posted - 2010.07.08 20:38:00 - [22]
 

How much you wanna bet the OP is a Taurus?

Miss Fayr
Posted - 2010.07.08 20:48:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Barakkus
How much you wanna bet the OP is a Taurus?


I did not play Wow! That ripped off warhammer. I once played the original EQII as a High Elf, but I am fully committed to ≡v≡ because of the increased value of ships and skills.

~Miss Fayr~

P.S. Also, remember that not NEARLY all those posters are against Real ID! Many of them, easily half, are arguing for the abolishment of hiding behind anonymity!

Felix Esperium
Lysergic Distortions Research and Development
Posted - 2010.07.08 20:52:00 - [24]
 

OP you know the forums are public to read, right?

So even if everyone is posting with their real names you (or some random dude with the same name) could be harassed irl by an anonymous person.

Jada Maroo
Posted - 2010.07.08 20:52:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Miss Fayr

P.S. Also, remember that not NEARLY all those posters are against Real ID! Many of them, easily half, are arguing for the abolishment of hiding behind anonymity!


Making up numbers is a sign that you're losing an argument. The response over there is overwhelmingly against the idea and is clear to see to anyone.

Asruv'ynn
GeoCorp.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.08 20:53:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Asruv''ynn on 08/07/2010 20:55:52
This decision made by Blizzard Entertainment has multiple aspects, some of them good and others I believe horribly unintended. Let's look at the good side for the moment:

As someone who has gone into game development, is a forum moderator and a server administrator, RealID is a large convenience to the forum moderator and game developer. No doubt, people will put more effort into posting (or not at all) and it allows for proper constructive criticism, data input/analysis and a more mature environment. It will make the moderator's lives much more easy and will allow them to then relay more player feedback to the developers. From this aspect, it really doesn't benefit CCP's current situation simply because we have far fewer subscribers than Blizzard does. To be honest, Blizzard has quite simply run out of the resources to manage such a large number of people at once and came up with this rather drastic solution. As a player, I would be happy to see far less trolling and filth being put on official game forums and I don't see much of a problem putting an 'official' stamp of my name on a post.

There is also great potential for social networking which even CCP has been diligently working on. To be able to connect with your in-game friends to reality is increasing at such a large rate now and is not only convenient, but fun, but at what cost?

As a paying customer and a concerned private individual, I'm wholly against this move. Social networking and cleaner forums are wonderful, but at this point you have no say in either one, particularly privacy. A computer doesn't decide who I divulge personal information to, but now evidently it will in the near future. People don't have the right to know who I am; they only have the privilege and they have to earn it, as I would for them. It's one thing to tell personal information to someone in-game, on a forum or over a voice chat because there's a certain level of trust there, however now it seems complete strangers can do more than that. As I've read more on this issue, apparently a Blizzard employee made a post to show the harmlessness of such action and within five minutes of posting, someone had searched this person over the internet and posted his personal information, including family members' names and home address. I've searched my name before on the internet and hardly any hits come up that are actually me, despite having a more unique name than others. However, no issue, for only a few dollars I can get addresses, family members' names across several generations, ages and phone numbers, although perhaps not all of it up-to-date. Now starting to get a little scary? I can't imagine enough how it would feel for women and the potential disaster it could be for children. In no way would I ever put myself or a loved one in such risk. It saddens me that things have come to such an extreme and if games, including EVE, develop into this, I will not think twice about pulling the plug on gaming. This invasion of privacy these last few years is starting to get too far out of hand and is very disturbing that people continually allow it to happen. I remember when the internet was still a new deal and you could barely get the time of day out of it; and now complete strangers will soon be able to have a live-feed cam in your colon to see what you had for lunch.

Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
Posted - 2010.07.08 20:59:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Asruv'ynn
RealID is a large convenience to the forum moderator and game developer.



It is a convienience for a variety of people, too.

Barakkus
Posted - 2010.07.08 21:04:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Miss Fayr
Originally by: Barakkus
How much you wanna bet the OP is a Taurus?


I did not play Wow! That ripped off warhammer. I once played the original EQII as a High Elf, but I am fully committed to ≡v≡ because of the increased value of ships and skills.

~Miss Fayr~

P.S. Also, remember that not NEARLY all those posters are against Real ID! Many of them, easily half, are arguing for the abolishment of hiding behind anonymity!


Taurus not related to gaming :P

Asruv'ynn
GeoCorp.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.08 21:07:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Miss Fayr
Originally by: Barakkus
How much you wanna bet the OP is a Taurus?


I did not play Wow! That ripped off warhammer. I once played the original EQII as a High Elf, but I am fully committed to ≡v≡ because of the increased value of ships and skills.

~Miss Fayr~

P.S. Also, remember that not NEARLY all those posters are against Real ID! Many of them, easily half, are arguing for the abolishment of hiding behind anonymity!


Taurus not related to gaming :P


LOL oh man that made my day!

Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.07.08 21:10:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Asruv'ynn
*stuff*



To expand on that:

Search Spiders.

In closed communities my real name is available to trustworthy people, since i can be reasonably sure that no search engine has access.
Not so in forums. A spider will index everything. A spider will find someone else with my name saying dumb stuff, and there are only a few people in the world with my name.
If your name is John Smith, you're not in danger. You're de facto anonymous. Others are not.
In real life, where i spend my free time can be kept private rather well. Not so on the net, which is why privacy is so much more important.


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