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Rovain Sess
Posted - 2010.07.07 15:17:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Rovain Sess on 07/07/2010 15:17:32
Interesting banter. The Minnies will be back, as will any loosing faction. Some major corp will decide that they wanna change teh prevailing trend, and will assist in the resurgence of whatever side is currently loosing. Inner militia politics and egos alway begin to plauge the winning sides success, and powerful corps generally get bored and move to other things (and some never move).

If you stay in long enough your corp will ascend the militia KB's, so on and so on. I loved FW for the fights and never really got into the plexing side. I just liked the fact that I could log in and roam around, and generally get into some fights.

I salute all people who participate in FW - no matter its faults. Many of the guys i still play with outside its confines are some of my best in-game friends. Just my 2 cents 9and if its off-topic - so be it.

Ralnik
Alpha Squad
Posted - 2010.07.07 15:29:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Dunn Idaho


I doupth it, allthough a welcome a change of pace from the minnie side.


Lets not be so ****y and forget that it was barely 2/3 months ago that it was next to impossible to find an Amarr in space. This stuff all comes & goes in cycles as it always has.

Dred'Pirate Wesley
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.07.08 05:57:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Ralnik
Originally by: Dunn Idaho


I doupth it, allthough a welcome a change of pace from the minnie side.


Lets not be so ****y and forget that it was barely 2/3 months ago that it was next to impossible to find an Amarr in space. This stuff all comes & goes in cycles as it always has.
As far as the 2/3 months ago comment you are quite correct. But after spending some time with Corim I can say that backing down is not something that is going to come easy to them and I also have it on good authority that something wicked this way comes. Prepare yourselves.. YARRRR!!

Soltiar
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.07.08 22:35:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Soltiar on 08/07/2010 22:45:01
Hmm interesting, So are the Space Pervs in it for an easy medal win? or to draw Minmatar into Plex fights? if it's the second, I don't think it's working, also if the Minnies are barely putting up a fight, why are the Pervs continuing capturing Plexes anyway?. And come to think of it, where are the other Amarr militia members in all this?

Dunn Idaho
Caldari
Core Impulse
Posted - 2010.07.08 23:31:00 - [35]
 

We're sort of boored atm cause the minnies dont want to fight us anymore cause they fear us to much. Instead of rising to the challenge and getting better at what they do.

Allthough with ROSS hiring mercs against us, things should get interesting in the next cuple of weeks, depending on how long the war dec lasts.


Sneaky Noob
KA POW POW Inc
Posted - 2010.07.09 01:35:00 - [36]
 

OHAI.

POASTING IN A EFFDUBYA CHEST-THREATING BREAD.

Ralnik
Alpha Squad
Posted - 2010.07.09 04:57:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Ralnik on 09/07/2010 05:01:39

Originally by: Dunn Idaho
We're sort of boored atm cause the minnies dont want to fight us anymore cause they fear us to much. Instead of rising to the challenge and getting better at what they do.

Allthough with ROSS hiring mercs against us, things should get interesting in the next cuple of weeks, depending on how long the war dec lasts.




I really have a hard time thinking anyone "fears" you. It's more like people are just tired of having carriers dropped on every fight with you guys so we are ignoring you. I have no clue why anyone would bother hiring Mercs as it's damn sure not needed.

When you start dropping super caps in low sec fights, you might as well expect to get blue balled because that's what is happening to your corp. Hell I started ignoring your corp when you guys had that *** whom used to sit out side Auga 3rd with his Minmatar Militia RR alt.

However go right ahead and keep dropping those super caps in FW and I'm quite sure one of these days you guys are gonna get trapped and it's gonna make for some lultastic KM's.

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2010.07.09 08:00:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Dunn Idaho
We're sort of boored atm cause the minnies dont want to fight us anymore cause they fear us to much. Instead of rising to the challenge and getting better at what they do.

Allthough with ROSS hiring mercs against us, things should get interesting in the next cuple of weeks, depending on how long the war dec lasts.


Ross hired mercs against you?

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2010.07.09 09:05:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Ralnik
..When you start dropping super caps in low sec fights, you might as well expect to get blue balled because that's what is happening to your corp...

Consider it karmic retribution for the long period last year with 2-3 Titans bridging Matar fleets around constantly Very Happy
Originally by: Bomberlocks
Ross hired mercs against you?

No, they went with the discount solution and asked SF for help. Guess their grand plan for Providence being "freespace" didn't work when everyone there went back to NBSI status .. much easier to take out ones frustration in low-sec where ones only assets at risk are what one fields and where Titans are invulnerable in a POS due to lack of bubbles Very Happy

SR65
Amarr
Core Impulse
Posted - 2010.07.09 09:54:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Ralnik
I really have a hard time thinking anyone "fears" you. It's more like people are just tired of having carriers dropped on every fight with you guys so we are ignoring you. I have no clue why anyone would bother hiring Mercs as it's damn sure not needed.

When you start dropping super caps in low sec fights, you might as well expect to get blue balled because that's what is happening to your corp. Hell I started ignoring your corp when you guys had that *** whom used to sit out side Auga 3rd with his Minmatar Militia RR alt.

However go right ahead and keep dropping those super caps in FW and I'm quite sure one of these days you guys are gonna get trapped and it's gonna make for some lultastic KM's.

lol

Damar Rocarion
Posted - 2010.07.09 10:49:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Soltiar
Hmm interesting, So are the Space Pervs in it for an easy medal win? or to draw Minmatar into Plex fights?


Not any more

Damar Rocarion

fatmanpaul
Royal Order of Security Specialists
Posted - 2010.07.09 12:26:00 - [42]
 

I can confirm ROSS FRIENDS entered the arena AFTER ROSS received a war dec from a Merc Corp paid to hinder our movements...........thus far the War Dec has been interesting. Thank you for more targets. Since CCP does not plan more content for FW we have to make it for ourselves. Both the Amar and Minmatar need to think out of the box to help keep the entertainment fresh. So ROSS thanks you for your assistance in this matter. We hope you feel the same way about all we do for you too...lol. We encourage all of you to spread the word, 0.0 sucks compared to the nature of FW.

While it seems to me by the lack of new content, lack of commentary on FW, and not on CCP radar of priorities; CCP had a faulty vision for FW. Instead of the "only" new player pvp experience we are full of experienced pvp players and nubbies who enjoy the access to quick and constant potential for combat.

I just ask our Amar partners to keep up the good fight; think of terrible new ways to torture us, you are our new game content. We promise to help build content for you too!Very Happy

Ralnik
Alpha Squad
Posted - 2010.07.09 16:19:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Ralnik on 09/07/2010 16:24:50
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida

Consider it karmic retribution for the long period last year with 2-3 Titans bridging Matar fleets around constantly Very Happy



I keep hearing Amarrios complaining about that, but I'm willing to bet that it didn't happen near as much as you guys are always complaining about. Granted I'm not on the up and up with FW as I once was but I never saw any of these Titian hot drops.

While I know they did happen, as I saw people talk about it, I don't think it happened as much as you guys like to complain about it.

As far as Titian/Carriers, blobs ect.. I can under stand people wanting to play with their toys. Nothing wrong with that and everyone probably gets some lols out of doing it once or twice.

Yet, it's a slippery slope, when you become known for doing it all the time vs doing something for ****s and giggles from time to time. At this point everyone assume Core Impulse will hot pretty much anything. That is now their rep and it's gonna be tough to shake if they ever decide to stop being such homosexuals.

It doesn't really bug me what they do, they are no threat to me as even their moron with the Minmatar alt that was RRing was fail. I'm just going to laugh my ass off when someone like CoW hot drops the living **** out of those nice shiny super carriers.

I'm betting that will hurt the precious Amarrio kill/death ratio, that I always see you guys crying over.

Wiccerakith
Absinthe Brothers
Posted - 2010.07.09 16:42:00 - [44]
 

/gets popcorn.

Moar of this plox :D

SR65
Amarr
Core Impulse
Posted - 2010.07.09 19:17:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Ralnik

I keep hearing Amarrios complaining about that, but I'm willing to bet that it didn't happen near as much as you guys are always complaining about. Granted I'm not on the up and up with FW as I once was but I never saw any of these Titian hot drops.

While I know they did happen, as I saw people talk about it, I don't think it happened as much as you guys like to complain about it.

As far as Titian/Carriers, blobs ect.. I can under stand people wanting to play with their toys. Nothing wrong with that and everyone probably gets some lols out of doing it once or twice.

Yet, it's a slippery slope, when you become known for doing it all the time vs doing something for ****s and giggles from time to time. At this point everyone assume Core Impulse will hot pretty much anything. That is now their rep and it's gonna be tough to shake if they ever decide to stop being such homosexuals.

It doesn't really bug me what they do, they are no threat to me as even their moron with the Minmatar alt that was RRing was fail. I'm just going to laugh my ass off when someone like CoW hot drops the living **** out of those nice shiny super carriers.

I'm betting that will hurt the precious Amarrio kill/death ratio, that I always see you guys crying over.

You sure do sound upset, making these long winded posts. Laughing

Dohl Khrensen
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2010.07.09 21:37:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Rodj Blake
The Amarr/Minmatar front has been characterised by ebbs and flows since day one of FW.

Right now, the Amarr have the upper hand, but I'm sure that in a few months people will be asking why they're again on the back foot.
Bears repeating, although Sneaky was also pretty close above.

Ralnik
Alpha Squad
Posted - 2010.07.10 05:52:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: SR65

You sure do sound upset, making these long winded posts. Laughing


Not at all.. I run a Internet marketing company in RL and run a lot of blogs to push traffic, so it's habit for me to write long winded post & forum replies. Shocked

Dred'Pirate Wesley
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.07.10 06:33:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Ralnik
Originally by: SR65

You sure do sound upset, making these long winded posts. Laughing


Not at all.. I run a Internet marketing company in RL and run a lot of blogs to push traffic, so it's habit for me to write long winded post & forum replies. Shocked
Yeah. I knew that feeling of 'the troll is strong in this one' came from somewhere. Thanks for the confirmation! YARRRR!!

SFX Bladerunner
Minmatar
Aperture Science inc.
Posted - 2010.07.11 10:46:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: SFX Bladerunner on 11/07/2010 10:45:54
Originally by: Ralnik

You have to know I was trolling you on the plexing don't you? I had to do something in response to my lovely Cane getting killed by your Pimpin Ballgobblen and McDaddymriel.

However since you brought up, I must suggest that you reap what you sow. I'll reply to a few of your complaints.

- You complain that Pirate ships have ruined plexs..

Yet oddly enough, you guys pretty much always fly Pirate ships in plexes. Have you ever stopped to think that maybe if you ship down to something "less" ubber that you might get fights in plexes? I know it's a odd concept, but hey try it for once.

- You complain the Minmatar don't ever fit any good ships to come fight you.


Have you ever stopped to think that maybe the spying & Metagaming have helped cause some of this? I'll give you an example..

I haven't been active on the Minmatar front for awhile, but since I've come back I see a lot less random Minmatar gangs roaming around. Admittedly I was a bit behind on the knowledge of current spy alts and the regrowth of the Amarr after their exodus.

Well, there was a small Pirate gang bouncing around in Auga, (Mega & 4 BC). The typical late night crew that would have ordinarily eaten them up, were not un-docking to do so. I thought that was a bit odd, but whatever I think.

I'm not one to FC very often because I like my solo and general Militia fleets tend to be horrible, however since no one else stepped up I decided to do it.

I put a little gang together of 5 BC's a cruiser and 2 frigs which I felt was going to make for a decent fight, being we would have gate guns on our side the ship balance was good for a fun fight.

In between figuring out which random member was a Perv's alt and kicking him out of the fleet 2 or 3 times before I set him red so he couldn't rejoin.. Two Genos guys came in and killed the Mega and the 4 BC's buggered off leaving our little gang with no purpose.

The whole time of course, your little Minmatar spy alt, is watch our gang like a hawk and nothing we can do about it. As we all know FW mechanics are gay™.

Well fast forward a bit and we decide to go see if there is anything to shoot in Kourm. I felt bad having guys gang up and have to deal with the spy **** only to get blue balls and not get to shoot our guns.

We find some random Amarr Harbi with a few other Amarrs in system so I'm think hey maybe he's bait and we can get a fight. (Harbi was just some random noob that got ganked)

Well a min or two later, like a open book that I should have seen coming from a mile away, here come Pervs with a Bhaalgorn, Machariel, Sleipnir with you in a lol Caracal and another in a Thrasher for good sportsmanship I guess.

You guys managed to get my Cane and another Cane so props to you for good gank. However if you wanted GF™ would you really have brought 2 Pirate BS to kill a few BC's?

You guys knew what we had and what our target was, prior to it getting killed by 2 Genos Tengu's. Hell, I even said it in fleet while your Perv spy alt was still in gang, that I was purposely keeping the gang small and not taking a bunch of X's so we could get a decent fight.

Yet for what ever reason you still showed up with 2 uber Pirate BS, a Command ship and the lol support (to keep it "fair" I guess).

Yet, you still wonder why Minmatar are not coming to give you GF™? You knew our exact fleet composition. You could have easily shown up in some BC's and had a GF™ and likely gotten another fight in the future.

Now, I'm just one less guy that is going to form a gang to come fight, because it's much easier to go out have fun soloing than deal with the BS of spies and making myself a giant bulls eye.

I guess I should thank you TBH, I was going to start FCing some fleets from time to time, because I can see Minmatar is in need. However you reminded me exactly why I normally avoid it



^ This man knows what he's saying.
I've Only been in FW for a short time ages ago, but hated the spais

The Yzzerman
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2010.07.11 11:40:00 - [50]
 

The hammer will fallTwisted Evil

Like some other have said here time will change. And we have not hired andy mercs we dont need that. Oh and spies are used on all sides !!!

Ding a ling

Jodie Amille
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2010.07.11 13:30:00 - [51]
 

Most of fw can be summed up as:

Side A forms up a blob.

Side B forms up a counter-blob with more numbers and better ships

Side A blueballs and reships or docks while side B whines in local that side A won't fight them.

Side A gathers yet more pilots with even bigger/better ships and undocks.

Side B promptly returns to their station whining about side A being blobbers and having no space honour or courage. They then promptly form an even larger gang and undock.

Side A whines about blobs as they run back to their station and disbands.

In this time, anywhere between 20 and 30 minutes where spent waiting for the initial gang to get going. Then another 20-30 minutes for each stage of back and forth reshipping. Insert the occasional poor dude getting ganked by either side while trying to solo, spying(lol it's fw), whining about spying(also lol) and lots of boredom.

And include that in general other than a few main systems the rest of fw is barren or littered with stealth bombers running fw missions or plexers in t1 frigs that just warp away when you enter the plex and solo or small-gang opportunities are quite small.

Graelyn
Amarr
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2010.07.11 14:19:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Jodie Amille
Most of pvp can be summed up as:


Fixed that for you.

Oddymandius
Minmatar
Red Federation
Posted - 2010.07.11 14:52:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Jodie Amille
Most of fw can be summed up as:

Side A forms up a blob.

Side B forms up a counter-blob with more numbers and better ships

Side A blueballs and reships or docks while side B whines in local that side A won't fight them.

Side A gathers yet more pilots with even bigger/better ships and undocks.

Side B promptly returns to their station whining about side A being blobbers and having no space honour or courage. They then promptly form an even larger gang and undock.

Side A whines about blobs as they run back to their station and disbands.

In this time, anywhere between 20 and 30 minutes where spent waiting for the initial gang to get going. Then another 20-30 minutes for each stage of back and forth reshipping. Insert the occasional poor dude getting ganked by either side while trying to solo, spying(lol it's fw), whining about spying(also lol) and lots of boredom.

And include that in general other than a few main systems the rest of fw is barren or littered with stealth bombers running fw missions or plexers in t1 frigs that just warp away when you enter the plex and solo or small-gang opportunities are quite small.

Ralnik
Alpha Squad
Posted - 2010.07.11 16:53:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Jodie Amille
Most of fw can be summed up as:

Side A forms up a blob.

Side B forms up a counter-blob with more numbers and better ships

Side A blueballs and reships or docks while side B whines in local that side A won't fight them.

Side A gathers yet more pilots with even bigger/better ships and undocks.

Side B promptly returns to their station whining about side A being blobbers and having no space honour or courage. They then promptly form an even larger gang and undock.

Side A whines about blobs as they run back to their station and disbands.

In this time, anywhere between 20 and 30 minutes where spent waiting for the initial gang to get going. Then another 20-30 minutes for each stage of back and forth reshipping. Insert the occasional poor dude getting ganked by either side while trying to solo, spying(lol it's fw), whining about spying(also lol) and lots of boredom.

And include that in general other than a few main systems the rest of fw is barren or littered with stealth bombers running fw missions or plexers in t1 frigs that just warp away when you enter the plex and solo or small-gang opportunities are quite small.


Yet, anyone has the ability to break this cycle by going out in smaller gangs or even solo and just waiting for he right fight to come along. The people that do nothing but sit in Auga, Kourm, Huloa or Hey, Tama, Nouv all day have no chance to ever break this cycle.

Personally, I've always found the key to getting a fight is being willing to fight at a disadvantage and making your self look weaker than you are. Unfortunately, to most people this usually means sticking a Drake in a belt then blob what ever attacks it, instead of proactively looking for a actual fight.

I think it just comes down to the fact most people are KM *****s and care little of the quality of the fight and too much about losing their internet spaceships.

Jamradar
Minmatar
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2010.07.13 12:31:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Ralnik
Edited by: Ralnik on 09/07/2010 05:01:39

Originally by: Dunn Idaho
We're sort of boored atm cause the minnies dont want to fight us anymore cause they fear us to much. Instead of rising to the challenge and getting better at what they do.

Allthough with ROSS hiring mercs against us, things should get interesting in the next cuple of weeks, depending on how long the war dec lasts.




Hell I started ignoring your corp when you guys had that *** whom used to sit out side Auga 3rd with his Minmatar Militia RR alt.



who? Swatyy? It's not like he's invincible. If enough people in local organize and respond to him or if a quick formed fleet gets in, it'd be enough. Problem is not enough people really care or they're doing something elseConfused

Sneaky Noob
KA POW POW Inc
Posted - 2010.07.13 13:06:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Sneaky Noob on 13/07/2010 13:06:40
Originally by: Jodie Amille
Most of fw can be summed up as:

Side A forms up a blob.

Side B forms up a counter-blob with more numbers and better ships

Side A blueballs and reships or docks while side B whines in local that side A won't fight them.

Side A gathers yet more pilots with even bigger/better ships and undocks.

Side B promptly returns to their station whining about side A being blobbers and having no space honour or courage. They then promptly form an even larger gang and undock.

Side A whines about blobs as they run back to their station and disbands.


what about the latenite suicide fleets of deathdoom? huh?!

you should add the following:

Side A decides to leroy in despite low probablities of success and gets a good fight and has funzors.

Side B thanks Side A for the funzors, lootzors and then they all sing kumbaya around a fireplace.

Ralnik
Alpha Squad
Posted - 2010.07.13 16:51:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: Ralnik on 13/07/2010 16:57:54

Originally by: Jamradar

Hell I started ignoring your corp when you guys had that *** whom used to sit out side Auga 3rd with his Minmatar Militia RR alt.



who? Swatyy? It's not like he's invincible. If enough people in local organize and respond to him or if a quick formed fleet gets in, it'd be enough. Problem is not enough people really care or they're doing something elseConfused


Swatyy was predictable and never really improved his game other than adding neutral BS logistics.

I was talking about that other tard, Moli something.. He was the guy that had the spy alt in Minmatar Militia and used it to remote rep his Amarr alt.

This is a bit more problems than just dealing with neutral logistics, as it also brings faction standings into play. IMO it's an exploit and abuse of broken game mechanics because his alt doesn't lose standings for repping his Amarr main, yet we lose standings for shooting his alt.

Meanwhile if you remote rep a -5 criminal you lose security standings. Yet his Amarr alt is past -5 to Minmatar faction yet his Minmatar FW alt can rep away with no standings loss.

Anyway it's all the same in the end, I'm looking to get some fun fights so I typically avoid these types of players/corps. If I wanted to deal with that kinda crap, I'd go to high sec and play Docking Bear with all the other high sec war dec station humpers.

Augin Soric
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.07.13 22:48:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Augin Soric on 13/07/2010 22:53:01
Plex tallying isn't an accurate way to show how militias are doing - At least half the people in either militia don't care about plexing (myself included), we're in it for the pew pew, not for the sitting on a button waiting out time and watching the que of oversized ships at the entrance on scanner.

David Devant
Gallente
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2010.07.14 13:44:00 - [59]
 

Plexing is definately something of a red herring in terms of FW win. You can get some great fights going but most of us are at work post dt thankyouverymuch so it's largely irrelevant.

As the thread in general suggests the Amarr are on the front foot in terms of what they can pull out of the bag. CORIM especially have the skills and experience to put out very nasty fleets and if it gets big they definately have the advantage. However I don't see any loss of morale on our side cos quite frankly, "eh". This is faction warfare. We don't have to defend our assets or turn up to CTAs. We can form up thrasher gangs and enjoy ourselves instead.

Also, in furtherance of popcorntastic banter: STFU Dunn

Moli Sten
Minmatar
Core Impulse
Posted - 2010.07.14 15:05:00 - [60]
 

To Ralnik, tsssss***, you still cannot let go on the in-militia-rr-alts, can you? I'm hoping your RL marketing company is not the cause of all that frustration in game. Though, having all that time to reply on forums makes me frawn and scratch my head.

On topic, camping Auga 3rd station is a necessity, if folks run from our gangs, we need to bring the fight to your homes. I'm even thinking of giving my in-militia-rr-alt a cap ship and park it in Auga 3rd station... some time ago your dreads were babysitting me all morning, it was good fun though, they had balls to siege all 3 and alpha my drake (kudos to them).

To use CCP quotes from the early days, EVE is a sandbox, ... (cannot put the essence of it in writing, my memory is failing me right now). Whether folks use in-militia-RR-alts, titan bridges, carrier drops, ... adapt, move on and find something to fight whatever is brought to your doorstep.

Been playing since early 2004, seen a lot from Eve, found FW 6m ago, switched sides, playing for the Amarr now, had fun, fun factor is not as it was 1-2 months back but still strong enough to stick around.


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