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De Guantanamo
Posted - 2010.07.06 15:45:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Poje
Bump


just let it go man

Phice Anxu
Caldari
Posted - 2010.07.06 16:15:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: noFace noLIfe
If you mean by "play" log in to train your skills and log off, that would be exactly the same thing that he's proposing. If you log in only for SP, who cares if you can buy back game time you didnt use ?


This.

Originally by: Clovermite
Edited by: Clovermite on 02/07/2010 19:07:14
I think it is a great idea.

I don't really see how there is room for exploit - you aren't buying extra SP, just bringing your character back up to speed.

As others have already pointed out- you don't get Sps in return for playing the game. Rather, you receive SPs for the amount of licensed (ie paid for) time has passed since your character's creation.

And, as others have also pointed out, you already have the option of buying a pre-skilled character from someone else. The only difference is that you'd be paying for the character that YOU put time into.

On a "respect for diversity" note, it allows anyone who's run into financial hardship for a couple months to jump back into the game without being penalized.

I can't think of any downsides to this, so I'd be interested to see if anybody can think of any legitimate ones.


And /thread.

I support the idea. Maybe it can be good to limit it to a one-time only, to avoid a possible bad usage (I don't see where, whatever the previous posters said) but Eve players can be imaginative.

But it is absolutely important that the skill points must be calculated according to implants and learning the character had before he left.

Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2010.07.06 16:59:00 - [63]
 

Edited by: Bagehi on 06/07/2010 17:10:14
Net Present Value. This is why you can't give them $15 now and get something that you passed on 2 years ago.

I had a character in 2003, should that character be able to have 100m+ SP now? Even though I didn't really start playing until 2+ years later?

Beyond that, what about the days before the training queue? People who hit snooze on their alarm clock at 4am (that had been set specifically to change skills) and thus lost 3 hours of training time (repeatedly) have a better claim on "missing" SP if you want to go down that road. But, even though I am in that boat, I don't think this is appropriate either.

If you snooze, you lose.

Poje
Gallente
Poje's Industrial Grp.
Posted - 2010.07.06 19:35:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Bagehi
Edited by: Bagehi on 06/07/2010 17:10:14
Net Present Value. This is why you can't give them $15 now and get something that you passed on 2 years ago.

I had a character in 2003, should that character be able to have 100m+ SP now? Even though I didn't really start playing until 2+ years later?

Beyond that, what about the days before the training queue? People who hit snooze on their alarm clock at 4am (that had been set specifically to change skills) and thus lost 3 hours of training time (repeatedly) have a better claim on "missing" SP if you want to go down that road. But, even though I am in that boat, I don't think this is appropriate either.

If you snooze, you lose.


Like i said before, only 1 year worth of SP / game time could be bought back, so no 2003 freak could be created.

And for the time b4 the training queue : thank god it doesnt exist anymore. EVE is a futuristic game, look to teh futur, not the past.

New features like this one and respecing are coming.

Xia Tong
Posted - 2010.07.07 14:07:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Poje
New features like this one and respecing are coming.


I agree with what you propose and i hope Respec will come too !

Supported.

De Guantanamo
Posted - 2010.07.07 14:41:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Poje


New features like this one and respecing are coming.


whoa whoa whoa

are you actually referring to respeccing of skills? this has got to be a troll Rolling Eyes

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.07.07 15:05:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Poje

New features like this one and respecing are coming.


No they aren't.

Poje
Gallente
Poje's Industrial Grp.
Posted - 2010.07.07 19:46:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
No they aren't.


Its nice to have beleifs, but that doesnt make them true.


It would be nice if a CSM would take a lil time to read all what was proposed and post, instead of... Rolling Eyes

Emperor Ryan
Amarr
The Illuminatii
Mildly Intoxicated
Posted - 2010.07.07 23:02:00 - [69]
 

Edited by: Emperor Ryan on 07/07/2010 23:03:59
Originally by: Poje
I just dont understand you guys...

It has no direct effect on Diplomacy.

It has no direct effect on Economy.

It just helps those who stopped playing when they didnt want to and want to rectify that.

Thats it.


Poje you seem to be missing something here, CCP is a company like all companys they are out to earn a profit, Now don't you think in the 7 years the game has been around this idea has come up before.

If your idea were to be implemented, people would go to the character bizzar, Buy a old toon with low sp, And then buy the missing SP. And before you even think it! don't tell me 'Well you can only do it if your toon has always been yours' etc so on, you would be asking for to much procedure and rules.

You've already stated stupid rules like, If you missed 2 years you can only buy back 1 year, Where's your logic, give me an exmaple in game now where when you snooze and lose you can buy back what you missed, but only half of it.

If eve is Dying, and CCP needs cah bad, Expect to see your idea implemented, otherwise it's not happining, and honstly, You can ask why all you want, If you missed time on eve, Learn to deal with it or find a new game.


/Thread

Poje
Gallente
Poje's Industrial Grp.
Posted - 2010.07.07 23:57:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Emperor Ryan
Poje you seem to be missing something here, CCP is a company like all companys they are out to earn a profit, Now don't you think in the 7 years the game has been around this idea has come up before.

If your idea were to be implemented, people would go to the character bizzar, Buy a old toon with low sp, And then buy the missing SP. And before you even think it! don't tell me 'Well you can only do it if your toon has always been yours' etc so on, you would be asking for to much procedure and rules.

You've already stated stupid rules like, If you missed 2 years you can only buy back 1 year, Where's your logic, give me an exmaple in game now where when you snooze and lose you can buy back what you missed, but only half of it.

If eve is Dying, and CCP needs cah bad, Expect to see your idea implemented, otherwise it's not happining, and honstly, You can ask why all you want, If you missed time on eve, Learn to deal with it or find a new game.


/Thread


Another one that didnt read properly...

Let me re-write the possible rules that could be implemented :

- It can be done only once per account, (To help those who realy need it, that way it cant be farmed)

- You can buy back up to 1 year worth of game time maximum, (So an old Character woudnt be a possible monster)

- The number of SP available is based on the average SP per month the Character chosen has trained, (If an old toon just played 2 months, the average SP he did in those 2 first months are quite low, so even if he decide to buy a year back, it wont mean alot of SP)

And i could add a new rule :

- The process cant be done on a transfered Character. (Characters have to be created from scratch in the account to be eligible)


With all these rules and CCP could add even more, it will target those who realy need it and with the features already available in EVE, this is just another one in the same league.



Resumé : Whats the difference between paying now or paying the same later ? Idea



P.S : To those that post after this, if you dont support this idea, be sure to read EVERYTHING that was said before posting. Thx.


ShadowandLight
Amarr
Cryptonym Sleepers
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.07.08 15:10:00 - [71]
 

seems fair enough

pay CCP for back time on inactive accounts and they give u the SP you would have trained up ( no free bees though )

no issue here :)

Hi Poje!

Jasdemi
Interstellar Whine Brewery
Monocle Overlords
Posted - 2010.07.08 15:17:00 - [72]
 

Poje, don't give up. In few hundreds more posts this idea may be acknowledged by CCP.

You can even indirectly buy characters with real money, so why shouldn't players be allowed to pay for the SP they could've trained while the account was inactive?

Poje
Gallente
Poje's Industrial Grp.
Posted - 2010.07.09 09:58:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Jasdemi
Poje, don't give up. In few hundreds more posts this idea may be acknowledged by CCP.

You can even indirectly buy characters with real money, so why shouldn't players be allowed to pay for the SP they could've trained while the account was inactive?


I wont and thx.


(Even scarcastic post can be good...) Rolling Eyes


noFace noLIfe
Posted - 2010.07.10 14:31:00 - [74]
 

This wasnt approved still ?

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.07.10 19:10:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Poje
Originally by: Malcanis
No they aren't.


Its nice to have beleifs, but that doesnt make them true.




I have just as much evidence for my belief as you have for yours: none.

Oh wait, actually I do have more: my belief is the status quo. You haven't provided any evidence for this change being about to happen that "I really want it to".


Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente
Imperial Tau Syndicate
POD-SQUAD
Posted - 2010.07.10 20:08:00 - [76]
 

WHile i can see this being something very pleasant, espeshially for me since i took over a year-long break from eve, i do not think this is the type of stuff we should have in eve. If you whant to buy sp, buy a char on the market.

Ja focker
Posted - 2010.07.11 05:20:00 - [77]
 

Edited by: Ja focker on 11/07/2010 05:24:18
supported~

CCP like any other game company is in it for the money. I don't see them not liking this idea with the only difficulty of coding it fairly into any already complex database. This is a good alternative to sticking around to watch paint dry, skill training, which is one of the largest turn offs of EVE ONLINE to mainstream mmo players. Naturally it be only one character per account as you could only train one character at a time and coding to divide bought time between alts would be extra man hours. Also adding this feature then brings into question about other features like buying of SP in advance... god only knows how the veterans of this game would cry bloody tears and emoragequit if that happened, but I don't think it's out of the question either. The only reason they'd be *****ing is the loss of advantage and closing the gap to a more balanced playing field, which was one of the main ideas behind T3 ships in their reduced training time over tech 2 ships. The MMO world is heading to micro transactions with free game play and this could/would be one of the features to add to CCP's micro transaction store.

Anything that closes the gap between those that started at retail release and those that came later, I am in full support... as long as I can use plex to pay for the feature =p.

Sahriah BloodStone
Caldari
Black Skull Squadron
Posted - 2010.07.11 05:29:00 - [78]
 

Edited by: Sahriah BloodStone on 11/07/2010 05:32:30
Originally by: Poje

Dont render judgement on things before you think about the reasons behind them.




Don't make suggestions until you have thought of every way it can be abused, and propose fixes for them.

Edit: Actually having read abit more i would support a 1-2 month version of this for the simple purpose of RL issues. There is no way it should ever be for a year..to easily abused

Sphit Ker
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.07.11 12:58:00 - [79]
 

I took a long break because of various issues which I had no direct control over.

Being offered the chance to get back SPs I had to leave behind with my hiatus? Yes, please and thanks you. I will be the first in line throwing my money at CCP for this.

I see the opponents have failed to make their case. You know CCP have their own awesome ways for not being santa claus. I am not worried one bit over this.

Im in.

Seamus Donohue
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.11 18:14:00 - [80]
 

What I think the original poster is proposing is allowing players to buy skillpoints for their characters, but imposing a cap: "You can't buy more than X skillpoints because your character was only created Y days ago."

I am ambivalent about this plan.

Darkwolf
Caldari
TOG Empire
Combat Mining and Logistics
Posted - 2010.07.11 22:10:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Poje
My idea is that characters that are low in SP compared to the number of months/years they have played, can purchase back the time they lost off the game.


I'm a 2003 character. I stopped playing for nearly two years (2005-2007), so I'm two years behind on training.

I do not support this proposal.

I made the choice to cancel my subscription at the time, and I choose to live with the consequences of the decision.

Penny Star
Posted - 2010.07.12 18:28:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Sphit Ker
I took a long break because of various issues which I had no direct control over.

Being offered the chance to get back SPs I had to leave behind with my hiatus? Yes, please and thanks you. I will be the first in line throwing my money at CCP for this.

I see the opponents have failed to make their case. You know CCP have their own awesome ways for not being santa claus. I am not worried one bit over this.

Im in.


/agree

Razaelle Tannhauser
Institut de New Eden
N0.Limit
Posted - 2010.07.14 10:24:00 - [83]
 

/agree !

Heroldyn Yhamad
Posted - 2010.07.14 10:30:00 - [84]
 

Disagree *thumbsdown*

Chesty McJubblies
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2010.07.14 13:11:00 - [85]
 

This is a way for CCP to make more revenue. It wouldn't surprise me if they're temped.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.07.14 13:52:00 - [86]
 

Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 14/07/2010 13:52:40
WTB unused 2003 alt. Wink

Joseph Dredd
Mega City One
Posted - 2010.07.14 17:28:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 14/07/2010 13:52:40
WTB unused 2003 alt. Wink


Was going to say the same...how much would my 4 2003 created alts be worth on the isk market for an instant 9 year boost up to Dr Kaymus 150 mil skill point lvl be worth

Seamus Donohue
Gallente
Posted - 2010.07.15 23:42:00 - [88]
 

Wait a minute, I just thought of something....

If CCP did allow players to buy skillpoints, wouldn't that cause the Character Bazaar to crash?

I don't buy or sell characters, so I'm not personally affected by this. But, character-sellers would suddenly have to compete with characters that players could create by buying skillpoints straight from CCP.

I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

Poje
Gallente
Poje's Industrial Grp.
Posted - 2010.07.25 16:59:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 14/07/2010 13:52:40
WTB unused 2003 alt. Wink


Let me re-write the possible rules that could be implemented :

- It can be done only once per account, (To help those who realy need it, that way it cant be farmed)

- You can buy back up to 1 year worth of game time maximum, (So an old Character woudnt be a possible monster)

- The number of SP available is based on the average SP per month the Character chosen has trained, (If an old toon just played 2 months, the average SP he did in those 2 first months are quite low, so even if he decide to buy a year back, it wont mean alot of SP)

And i could add a new rule :

- The process cant be done on a transfered Character. (Characters have to be created from scratch in the account to be eligible)


With all these rules and CCP could add even more, it will target those who realy need it and with the features already available in EVE, this is just another one in the same league.



Resumé : Whats the difference between paying now or paying the same later ? Idea



P.S : To those that post after this, if you dont support this idea, be sure to read EVERYTHING that was said before posting. Thx

SolarKnight
Gallente
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
Posted - 2010.07.26 00:15:00 - [90]
 

Read entire thread,

This idea is way beyond terrible, if you think SP are that important, raise a crapload of isk and buy a character with the SP that you want.

This is a harsh game, it is designed to make players suffer the consequences of their actions. As such, if you go on a break for a week, a month, hell even 10 years, that is YOUR choice, YOUR action, nothing to do with CCP.

YOU made the choice to go on a break, so suck it up and play the game by the same rules everyone else has to. No payment, No SP.


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