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Jada Maroo
Posted - 2010.06.29 15:50:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Jada Maroo on 29/06/2010 15:51:19
1000m3 PI materials cargo hold that isn't at all affected by cargo expanders? Really?

So the Primae, which was specifically made for PI, is less effective at it than every other industrial that isk can buy?

Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
Posted - 2010.06.29 15:52:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Jada Maroo
The Primae is ironically the least effective PI ship on the market.



It's not even on Market =/

Raziphan Rebular
Caldari
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
Posted - 2010.06.29 15:52:00 - [3]
 

leave the Primae alone! It has feelings ya know.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2010.06.29 15:53:00 - [4]
 

A PI-Hold of 3k-6k would have been worthwhile, 1k is barely holding one day worth of production in highsec. And usually you only haul every few days for time efficiency's sake.

CCP Greyscale

Posted - 2010.06.29 15:57:00 - [5]
 

It is however the most cost-effective PI ship available.



(Seriously though, like with the Zephyr, this is a free gift that looks really cool, and also has a few stats and bonuses just to make it more unique. It's deliberately not supposed to be better for common tasks than other ships, due to the fact that it's free and everyone is given one. Just like the Zephyr is intentionally not better than a Covert Ops ship for scanning, the Primae is intentionally not a better hauler than a dedicated industrial ship that you have to train for and buy. That's not - before anyone jumps in - to say it's useless, because utility is a linear measure not a binary one. You can still use it for moving your PI commodities and command centers. It's perfectly useful in and of itself for certain tasks - it's just not a replacement for a good industrial.)

Jada Maroo
Posted - 2010.06.29 16:01:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: CCP Greyscale
It is however the most cost-effective PI ship available.



(Seriously though, like with the Zephyr, this is a free gift that looks really cool, and also has a few stats and bonuses just to make it more unique. It's deliberately not supposed to be better for common tasks than other ships, due to the fact that it's free and everyone is given one. Just like the Zephyr is intentionally not better than a Covert Ops ship for scanning, the Primae is intentionally not a better hauler than a dedicated industrial ship that you have to train for and buy. That's not - before anyone jumps in - to say it's useless, because utility is a linear measure not a binary one. You can still use it for moving your PI commodities and command centers. It's perfectly useful in and of itself for certain tasks - it's just not a replacement for a good industrial.)


Okay but why not tie its cargo capacity to the Planetology skill or something? Or something along those lines.

I love the design of the ship -- obviously a lot of time was put into its detail. But it's never really going to find a use with its current abilities. It would have been nice to see its cargo capacity tied to the pilot's planetology skill or something.

Either way, I appreciate the gift. I just wish I could use it more is all.

Benco97
Gallente
Terraprobe Dynamics
Posted - 2010.06.29 16:03:00 - [7]
 

Personally I love the little guy!

Thanks much CCP.

stoicfaux
Gallente
Posted - 2010.06.29 16:05:00 - [8]
 

Will we be able to produce or otherwise buy the ship from the market in the future?

Is this ship going to be a tutorial award? (IIRC, such as how you can get an industrial from doing the tutorial missions.)

Blastrodamus
Posted - 2010.06.29 16:06:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Jada Maroo
But it's never really going to find a use with its current abilities.


100% disagree. i am using it right now and for my production needs it is perfect.

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2010.06.29 16:09:00 - [10]
 

Meh, I think I'll stick to my trusty blockade runner. Thanks anyhow.

Perhaps the Primae is just a training industrial for rookies. Of course, they would be most annoyed when losing it too.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.06.29 16:09:00 - [11]
 

Look at the bright side: at least your PI materials are gank-proof… Razz

Inquisitor Berthez
Alien Pancake Bonanza
Posted - 2010.06.29 16:09:00 - [12]
 

Can't there at least be some things better about this ships, so it actually has use? i.e. Let it warp faster, let it have a low sig radius, or cloak even..

Deamos
Dev Null Development and Holdings
Posted - 2010.06.29 16:10:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Deamos on 29/06/2010 16:10:53
Did you guys notice there is a 1000 M3 Planetary Commodities hold right?

edit:
Theres also a 1600 m3 Command Center Hold

Simeon Tor
Picon Fleet
New Eden Research.
Posted - 2010.06.29 16:11:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Deamos
Did you guys notice there is a 1000 M3 Planetary Commodities hold right?


Which for some reason can't hold Heavy or Base metals.

Jada Maroo
Posted - 2010.06.29 16:12:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Jada Maroo on 29/06/2010 16:15:02
Originally by: Deamos
Did you guys notice there is a 1000 M3 Planetary Commodities hold right?


That's several thousand less than a Wreathe can do and the Wreathe is pretty much a beginner industrial noobship.

So really it's not the most cost effective PI ship. The most cost effective and overall effective PI ship you will get in Eve will be your first free industrial from the tutorial missions.

Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network
Dignitas.
Posted - 2010.06.29 16:13:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Dan O''Connor on 29/06/2010 16:12:58
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
It is however the most cost-effective PI ship available.



Well it is free Very Happy

But even so, since it's a gift I won't undock with it.

IB4 "Carebear" flames

Cyprus Black
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.06.29 16:17:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Cyprus Black on 29/06/2010 16:22:07
I like the idea behind the Primae but I believe it's a bit lackluster. Sure it's free and I appreciate free, but I can't find any practical use for this ship. It can't do anything that a simple low end industrial cannot already do.

No offense CCP guys, but I would've rather it be an addition to the whole PI instead of a novelty "gank-me" "never-undock" "useless-thing-to-contract-away-for-isk" ship. Even new players can find more use out of the Primae by selling it off rather than using it for its intended purpose. I find that a bit discouraging and wasteful.

It would've been nice to see BPOs on the market for this thing. A one time giveaway just means this ship will never be used for its intended purpose because it's too rare to risk getting blown up.

Plus a larger cargohold for PI materials is badly needed. I have to make ten trips per planet with this Primae just to recover a full exported rocket whereas my simple T1 industrial fitted with T1 cargo expanders only has to make one trip (and yes I really do export that much on a regular basis). One is easily replaceable, the other is not.

This isn't so much of a complaint as it is a poor attempt at constructive criticism. For the constructive part: if no changes are made to the Primae, at least seed the market with BPOs to construct more.

Thrasymachus TheSophist
Posted - 2010.06.29 16:20:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Thrasymachus TheSophist on 29/06/2010 16:21:11
Originally by: Cyprus Black
No offense CCP guys, but I would've rather it be an addition to the whole PI instead of a novelty "gank-me" "never-undock" "useless-thing-to-contract-away-for-isk" ship.



Wait a year and then test the bolded hypothesis. I'd be willing to wager you'll be pleasantly surprised.

Think of it less as a ship, and more as an investment. In MMOs, scarcity = value, and as time goes by, these will only become more scarce.

Edit to your edit: Don't do BPOs for it ... then its just totally worthless!

Simeon Tor
Picon Fleet
New Eden Research.
Posted - 2010.06.29 16:20:00 - [19]
 

The ship was never supposed to replace anything a player with any experiance would have. I doubt most people use the Apotheosis, Zephyr and Interbus shuttle either.


Nailo Nimbletong
Posted - 2010.06.29 16:22:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Simeon Tor
The ship was never supposed to replace anything a player with any experiance would have. I doubt most people use the Apotheosis, Zephyr and Interbus shuttle either.




the Zephyr is awesoem in exploring wormholes, other then that 1000m3 is realy crap 0.o

Ticondrius
United Federation Starfleet
Saints Amongst Sinners
Posted - 2010.06.29 16:25:00 - [21]
 

Going on the in-game attributes...

Give us a normal ORE ship (BPOs seeded, no hulls for sale until players build them, etc., etc....) that does:

10Km3 planetary goods hold
8Km3 command center hold
200-300m3 normal hold (doesn't matter too much)
Slots: 1 high, 2 medium and 6 lows
Role bonus on speed while cloaked (as it doesn't use the covert ops cloaking device)


Planetary Command Ships (skillbook)
5% bonus to agility on ships requiring this skill
-Require Barge V (Hell, everything else does)

I'm sure there's some other good ideas for it, but that's all I've got at the moment. Most of that is gravy or wishful thinking but....

..really..what use is a PI ship that can't carry 10Km3 of PI materials? I never go pickup anything until my Spaceport is full at 10Km3....I can't even imagine lower skilled players doing it differently, as the central hub Spaceport model is extremely efficient. Weird call, CCP. Shocked

Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Kumovi
The G0dfathers
Posted - 2010.06.29 16:31:00 - [22]
 

As if the apotheosis and zephyr had any practical use

Salyan
Twilight Sparkle Fan Club
Posted - 2010.06.29 16:32:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Simeon Tor
Originally by: Deamos
Did you guys notice there is a 1000 M3 Planetary Commodities hold right?


Which for some reason can't hold Heavy or Base metals.


It can't hold water either...

Amanda Mor
Gallente
Posted - 2010.06.29 16:32:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Jada Maroo
Edited by: Jada Maroo on 29/06/2010 16:15:02
Originally by: Deamos
Did you guys notice there is a 1000 M3 Planetary Commodities hold right?


That's several thousand less than a Wreathe can do and the Wreathe is pretty much a beginner industrial noobship.

So really it's not the most cost effective PI ship. The most cost effective and overall effective PI ship you will get in Eve will be your first free industrial from the tutorial missions.


There's a thread on the Market Discussions forum talking about time cost that would disprove your idea - ie just cause you didn't spend ISK on the "free" tutorial industrial, doesn't mean it's free. On the other hand, the Primae is completely free, so it is the most cost-effective PI ship.

And to the guy who complains that the ship is useless, but wants the BPO's seeded...uhhhh what? Why?

Shawshanke
Posted - 2010.06.29 16:39:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: CCP Greyscale
It is however the most cost-effective PI ship available.



(Seriously though, like with the Zephyr, this is a free gift that looks really cool, and also has a few stats and bonuses just to make it more unique. It's deliberately not supposed to be better for common tasks than other ships, due to the fact that it's free and everyone is given one. Just like the Zephyr is intentionally not better than a Covert Ops ship for scanning, the Primae is intentionally not a better hauler than a dedicated industrial ship that you have to train for and buy. That's not - before anyone jumps in - to say it's useless, because utility is a linear measure not a binary one. You can still use it for moving your PI commodities and command centers. It's perfectly useful in and of itself for certain tasks - it's just not a replacement for a good industrial.)


Can't you see we are trying to complain here?

When will CCP learn to stay out of our gameRolling Eyes

Barakkus
Posted - 2010.06.29 16:39:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: CCP Greyscale
It is however the most cost-effective PI ship available.



(Seriously though, like with the Zephyr, this is a free gift that looks really cool, and also has a few stats and bonuses just to make it more unique. It's deliberately not supposed to be better for common tasks than other ships, due to the fact that it's free and everyone is given one. Just like the Zephyr is intentionally not better than a Covert Ops ship for scanning, the Primae is intentionally not a better hauler than a dedicated industrial ship that you have to train for and buy. That's not - before anyone jumps in - to say it's useless, because utility is a linear measure not a binary one. You can still use it for moving your PI commodities and command centers. It's perfectly useful in and of itself for certain tasks - it's just not a replacement for a good industrial.)


THIS ^^

So the rest of you not happy with free stuff, just STFU for a change.

Jada Maroo
Posted - 2010.06.29 16:42:00 - [27]
 

It's not complaining - it's complimenting.

It's saying "Hey, this is a really awesome ship model. We appreciate getting a freebie but we want one we can buy that's actually useful so this awesome looking ship doesn't go to waste."

Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2010.06.29 16:42:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Simeon Tor
I doubt most people use the Apotheosis, Zephyr and Interbus shuttle either.
I use mine a LOT on my industrial character for zipping around back and forth to my POS, but other than that...

el caido
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2010.06.29 16:43:00 - [29]
 

I am all for free shinies - cheers, CCP.

However, a new ship model dedicated to a gift ship seems to be a gross misappropriation of art team resources when there are a plethora of outstanding graphical defects, oversights, and requests.

Hopefully this beauty can be used elsewhere ... perhaps a future shipclass, hmm?

CCP Navigator


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.29 16:46:00 - [30]
 

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