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StarGazerX1
Posted - 2010.06.27 23:14:00 - [1]
 

If this is possible could someone tell me how and what ship to go for.

Kadash Erale
Posted - 2010.06.27 23:36:00 - [2]
 

It's probably not the fastest, but i guess alot of people would recomend the drake. Can get a very good tank, but might not have the dps needed for l4's. I'm not a drake pilot myself but i guess that is the ship that can do it, perhaps the gallente myrmidon could aswell.

Ivas Tiffy
Amarr
Posted - 2010.06.28 00:43:00 - [3]
 

if isk farmers can run lvl 4 mission within 2 weeks old. SO can you.

Backho
Posted - 2010.06.28 01:24:00 - [4]
 

Copy Paste 1.6m SP Raven

Fit
Arbalest Missile Launcher x 6
Salvager I x 1
Tractor Beam x 1

mids
Meta 4 X-large Shield booster x 1
Heavy Cap booster II x 1
Shield hardeners x 3
Target Painter x 1

lows
BCU II x 4
Photonic CPU x 1

rigs
Large warhead rigor x 3

drones
hammerhead I x 5
hobgoblin I x 5

my skills when i started was...

All missile support lv III, except guided missile precision II
Cruise Missile III
Caldari Battleship II
Battlecruiser II
Target painting I,Salvage I !!
Energy management II
Energy Operation IV !!
Tactical shield manipulation IV !!
Shield management II
Shield Operation III !!
Drones V
Drone interface III
Learning IV
Stat 1 IV
Stat 2 III
I can do all missions within 30 minutes, except worlds collide(avoid altogether) and extravaganza's

Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
Posted - 2010.06.28 20:49:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Backho
I can do all missions within 30 minutes, except worlds collide(avoid altogether) and extravaganza's


You're kidding right?

They are the best missions for bounties and the chance of faction loot.

Backho
Posted - 2010.06.28 20:54:00 - [6]
 

Its best to know one's ability. with 1.6m SP and starting the game, losing the first raven is a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE setback. its better to stick to safe missions and earn iskies, before risking the harder (yet more profitable one's)

Another thing, WC gurista side has no overseer

Dr Lii
Posted - 2010.06.29 08:58:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Ultim8Evil
Originally by: Backho
I can do all missions within 30 minutes, except worlds collide(avoid altogether) and extravaganza's


You're kidding right?

They are the best missions for bounties and the chance of faction loot.


He probably can't tank them I guess.

Lukriss
Caldari
Notorious Legion
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2010.06.29 14:49:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Ultim8Evil
Originally by: Backho
I can do all missions within 30 minutes, except worlds collide(avoid altogether) and extravaganza's


You're kidding right?

They are the best missions for bounties and the chance of faction loot.


Oh gee, I bet he skips them because they take a bit longer to run...

Azelle Storm'Eye
Posted - 2010.06.29 19:20:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Backho
Another thing, WC gurista side has no overseer


Ehm yes it has, Ive seen a lot of them, actually Im able to get an overseer out on every WC I do Cool

Amiarat Horatio
Posted - 2010.06.29 21:08:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Amiarat Horatio on 29/06/2010 21:09:00
lol and here i am with 5m sp running level one missions in a caracal.

Cenarkion
Posted - 2010.06.30 01:24:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Ivas Tiffy
if isk farmers can run lvl 4 mission within 2 weeks old. SO can you.


Total nublet here. Is the above an exaggeration, or are people able to get access to L4 missions that quickly?

I have been playing off and on for a few years, but not for any great length of time at any stretch. My main has somewhere in the vicinity of 3.6M SP but I cannot access even L3 combat missions (get L3 mining type missions)


Backho
Posted - 2010.06.30 08:44:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Backho on 30/06/2010 08:45:09
yeah i admit when i have 1.6m SP, WC was a real pain.

And ive done worlds collide....urgh.....i dont know. think ive done almost 20 storyline lv 4 missions, and im yet to get a single overseer spawn.

1.6m SP is probably the fastest you can go into lv 4.
The key is specialisation. ur effort, into unlocking better encounter agents. ur SP , into getting SP-effective battle skills

With the correct agentin the correct sytem, you can easily get 30-35m Isk/hour as a start

McPod
Posted - 2010.06.30 12:02:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: McPod on 30/06/2010 12:03:00
30m? n----- please. sometimes it takes more than that just to get to the next jumpgate in a raven. the raven is excellent but most missions are not soloed in 30m or less. that is ridiculous.

Backho
Posted - 2010.06.30 13:37:00 - [14]
 

Nope.

The only mission which will go past 30 minutes is angel extravaganza , worlds collide , and enemies abound

I myself started missioning at around 1.7m SP (waited till i got connection skills lv 3, negotiation lv 3)


All missions are counted at 1 jump away. Mission start according to journal, mission end according to clicking the "COMPLETE" button.

Rigor raven. Faction missiles. All fav missile implants 3%

Amarante Idama
Gallente
Drunken Armed Pilots
Posted - 2010.06.30 13:45:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Amarante Idama on 30/06/2010 13:58:26
Originally by: StarGazerX1
If this is possible could someone tell me how and what ship to go for.


Unlikely to be possible. Even if you figure out a way it's likely that it'll be so slow that lv3 is more profitable anyway. I have 1.7m and have just started training towards BS for belt chaining. My support and fitting skills are total crap. If you can actually fly a BS already with less SP than me that means your support skills are nearly nonexistent. I'd say wait until you have more like 3-4m at least.

Originally by: Kadash Erale
perhaps the gallente myrmidon could aswell.


Not unless lv4's are much easier than I remember them. I have 1.7m SP and fly a cap stable dual rep myrmidon for PvE and I highly doubt I could do most lv4 missions. IMO battlecruisers should stick to lv3's.

Originally by: Cenarkion
Originally by: Ivas Tiffy
if isk farmers can run lvl 4 mission within 2 weeks old. SO can you.


Total nublet here. Is the above an exaggeration, or are people able to get access to L4 missions that quickly?

I have been playing off and on for a few years, but not for any great length of time at any stretch. My main has somewhere in the vicinity of 3.6M SP but I cannot access even L3 combat missions (get L3 mining type missions)


You can get access to lv3 without running a single mission just by training connections. It's probably possible, although most of his SP would be in social skills.

Originally by: Amiarat Horatio
Edited by: Amiarat Horatio on 29/06/2010 21:09:00
lol and here i am with 5m sp running level one missions in a caracal.


Shocked

Alexander Sinclair
Gallente
Posted - 2010.06.30 17:37:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Amarante Idama
You can get access to lv3 without running a single mission just by training connections. It's probably possible, although most of his SP would be in social skills.


Do you have to train Connections to level 5?

Scae'lieth
Posted - 2010.07.01 12:37:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Scae''lieth on 01/07/2010 12:37:57
Go for the drake, ive just capped 2 mil SP myself and have been running a drake in level fours for quite a while.
Some missions are okish with full T1 but you have to be very careful, I only did a handful of these before training up for T2 Hardners/other tank mods, after getting the T2 hardners my tank was very strong and nearly all missions I do now It can tank aslong as if the aggro is sorted properly (Ive yet to do Worlds Collide 4 though) The only missions I need to warp out on atm in my drake is Damsel In Distress, those battleships are nasty :<

Fit:

Highs:

7 Named HML I
Drone Augmentor (+20km to drone range)

Mid:

Two Large extenders, I have tech II now but I did use the best named equivalent Tech I ones beforehand (F-9 Regolith?) or something similar.
four slots for mission specific Amps.

Lows:

Two Ballistic Control I
Two Shield Power Relay I

Rigs(Medium):

Three Shield Purger I

Drones: Five Tech I Light Combat Drones

Saves you looking, this build isnt awesome, some people wont like it all, but it will do the job.

Edited for Spelling fail

Astald Ohtar
AtlantiA French Corp
Yulai Federation
Posted - 2010.07.01 13:08:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Astald Ohtar on 01/07/2010 13:11:12
Doable, started doing l4s with 1.6m sp , had my ass handed to me the 2nd mission "pirate invasion", and an arma wasnt the best choice, abit of sp later with t2 drones and a dual rep apoc i was doing just fine , specially wih eve survival, i guess any ship with around 450-600 tank can do the job.4
A raven would be the easiest way to start l4s, a drake? it does have a ****y dps, ill go for a raven, you dont need to tank you need to manage agro and distance

HFGL

Scae'lieth
Posted - 2010.07.01 13:22:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Scae''lieth on 01/07/2010 13:56:14
Edited by: Scae''lieth on 01/07/2010 13:22:25
Originally by: Astald Ohtar
Edited by: Astald Ohtar on 01/07/2010 13:11:12
Doable, started doing l4s with 1.6m sp , had my ass handed to me the 2nd mission "pirate invasion", and an arma wasnt the best choice, abit of sp later with t2 drones and a dual rep apoc i was doing just fine , specially wih eve survival, i guess any ship with around 450-600 tank can do the job.4
A raven would be the easiest way to start l4s, a drake? it does have a ****y dps, ill go for a raven, you dont need to tank you need to manage agro and distance

HFGL


For a new player, managing an active tank may be somewhat difficult, the drake being a very strong passive tank allows new players get used to all the missions and not have to worry too much about thier tank, yes the raven increases isk/hour but when starting level fours most players will want something that can do the missions, rather then what earns the most/hour. (at least this was my approach).

Yes the drake will be quite slow in most missions, but it will get it done without having to worry about doing/remembering certain things (Like pulsing your rep) which if you dont keep an eye out for will lead you to having to keep warping out with this low amount of SP.

David88x77
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.07.01 16:03:00 - [20]
 

If you have that little sp it may be more profitable to just salvage. Find a good high sec corp and a bunch of the members who run lvl 4's only blitz the missions and leave the loot/salvage behind.

It is possible to ru lvl 4's with that little sp, you would be pretty slow though.

CAPSLOCKBROKE
Viziam
Posted - 2010.07.01 19:41:00 - [21]
 

For Caldari?

The Drake is THE BEST low SP requirement mission boat. Also, nearly all the skills you train to get into it will benefit the next good mission boat, the Raven. Try to get all the skills involved with Shield Tanking and Missiles to III at least, and fit Shield Hardeners that counter the rats damage type for the mission you are running, and a Drake can smoke lvl 4's. It is just much slower than a Raven.

At 1 Million SP you could do a lvl 4 slowly in a Drake. At 3 Million SP you could do a lvl 4 medium speed in a Drake. At 5 Million SP you could do a lvl 4 decent in a Raven. 7-10 Million Sp and you could completely murder a lvl 4 in a Raven. Around 12 Million SP you could try for a Golem, the KING DADDY Caldari mission boat.

The cliche ship progression for lvl 4s for Caldari is:

Drake < Raven < Raven Navy Issue < Golem

For a good idea of what skills to learn to fly them properly, check out the recommend certificates each one asks for. For instance the Drake says you should aim to train Core Competency Standard, Passive Shield Tanking Standard, and Cruiser Launcher Control Standard. Simply work towards the skills in those categories and you'll be off to a good start to flying a Drake properly.

Some of this advice isn't 100% but its a good guideline to go by.

Harkwyth Mist
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.07.03 02:41:00 - [22]
 

Dominix is doable with just 1.6m SP too

It will only have T1 tank, so needs recommended fitting on hardners (n-type is best untill T2 can be fit.) by mission rat-type.

2-3x Lge CCC, 1x Lge Nano Pump
2x LAR, 4x N-Type hardners, 1x CapFluxCoil/DCU/Plate
1x AB, 2-4x CapRecharger, 1-2x Tracking Link
2x Drone Link, 1-4x Dual 250mm (Iron + AM ammo)
Light+Medium+Heavy Drones in Bay


*Disclaimer*
Whilst it might be possible to do, I wouldn't recommend you actually go out and do it.
Any Ships, Fittings and ISK lost is the responsibility of the person sat in the ship.

RentableMuffin
Posted - 2010.07.03 06:42:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: CAPSLOCKBROKE
For Caldari?

The Drake is THE BEST low SP requirement mission boat. Also, nearly all the skills you train to get into it will benefit the next good mission boat, the Raven. Try to get all the skills involved with Shield Tanking and Missiles to III at least, and fit Shield Hardeners that counter the rats damage type for the mission you are running, and a Drake can smoke lvl 4's. It is just much slower than a Raven.

At 1 Million SP you could do a lvl 4 slowly in a Drake. At 3 Million SP you could do a lvl 4 medium speed in a Drake. At 5 Million SP you could do a lvl 4 decent in a Raven. 7-10 Million Sp and you could completely murder a lvl 4 in a Raven. Around 12 Million SP you could try for a Golem, the KING DADDY Caldari mission boat.

The cliche ship progression for lvl 4s for Caldari is:

Drake < Raven < Raven Navy Issue < Golem

For a good idea of what skills to learn to fly them properly, check out the recommend certificates each one asks for. For instance the Drake says you should aim to train Core Competency Standard, Passive Shield Tanking Standard, and Cruiser Launcher Control Standard. Simply work towards the skills in those categories and you'll be off to a good start to flying a Drake properly.

Some of this advice isn't 100% but its a good guideline to go by.


eh at 3m should be pretty comfy in a raven,

I dunno I started lv4s about 4-5months in, although I trained up for an assault frig a bit early. I had 900k sp (512k missile bombardment 5... ffs ccp why) in missiles, caldari bs 3, t2 large shield booster, and t1 shield hardeners when I started. a lot of the sp I had wasn't for ravens at any rate.

Agent Unknown
Caldari
Posted - 2010.07.03 13:53:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Agent Unknown on 03/07/2010 13:54:44
Originally by: Harkwyth Mist
Dominix is doable with just 1.6m SP too

It will only have T1 tank, so needs recommended fitting on hardners (n-type is best untill T2 can be fit.) by mission rat-type.

2-3x Lge CCC, 1x Lge Nano Pump
2x LAR, 4x N-Type hardners, 1x CapFluxCoil/DCU/Plate
1x AB, 2-4x CapRecharger, 1-2x Tracking Link
2x Drone Link, 1-4x Dual 250mm (Iron + AM ammo)
Light+Medium+Heavy Drones in Bay


*Disclaimer*
Whilst it might be possible to do, I wouldn't recommend you actually go out and do it.
Any Ships, Fittings and ISK lost is the responsibility of the person sat in the ship.


I've personally done L4s in a domi...dual LARs works wonderfully in all missions if you manage aggro appropriately (except the angel bonus room ofc). It MUST be cap stable for it to be viable, since the long cycle time of armor reppers can cost you your ship.

This fit is what I came up with using a 0 skill character and just setting the HQF skills (needed skills) in EVEHQ when I was finished. Don't bother with large guns on a domi...you don't need them. If you want, switch a tractor for a civilian gun to pull aggro (you don't need to hit the rat to agress it). According to EVEHQ, this is doable in under 2 weeks.

[Dominix, Newbie L4 fit]

3x Drone Link Augmentor I
2x Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager I

5x Eutectic I Capacitor Charge Array

2x Large 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
2x N-Type Kinetic Hardener I
2x N-Type Thermic Hardener I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I

3x Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

5x Hobgoblin II
5x Hammerhead II
5x Ogre I

Meta 4 may be pricey, but you need it. Energy Upgrades IV will let you use t2 cap rechargers and relays. As it stands, it's barely cap stable at 29%.

Edit: Yes it's slow and doesn't have tracking links, but links are only needed with sentries (which is where you need t2 for it to really be worth it). I went for cap stability since a new mission runner shouldn't be worrying about cap when they're getting their feet wet with L4s.

The Huffarunier
Gallente
The Real OC
Posted - 2010.07.03 19:51:00 - [25]
 

I don't know about this.

I have a little less than 4 mill in SP and I fly a Dominix with T2 hardners, Sentry drones, and they take forever to do. Plus I salvage all my missions too.

I use this build:


[Dominix, Domi TII]

2x 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun (Antimatter Charge M)
2x Drone Link Augmentor I
Heavy Nosferatu I
Large Remote Armor Repair System I

100MN Afterburner I
4x Cap Recharger II

2x Large Armor Repairer II
2x Capacitor Power Relay II
2x Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II

3x Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I

5x Hammerhead II
5x Hobgoblin II
5x Garde I
3x Hammerhead II
4x Hobgoblin II
5x Warden I


 

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