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Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.06.27 20:20:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Ghost Hunter
This is your answer to us? Perhaps it was too much to think of you a dread Guristas. No, I think that was lost a long time ago when you allied with the Angel Cartel's loyalists.

I am not sure what to say to you, Verone. I can think of no words to describe what I want to convey - pathetic, pitiful, these are words that do not even begin to express the full depth of thought.

Nation does not betray its allies. History has shown every time that our own allies betray us because of their irrational fear. Each and every time, they think us something we are not - they act on something that does not exist. Why would Nation betray those that have entrusted much to us when no others would? We respect our friends.

You, you are trapped in the same debased propaganda that has been spawned for the last century. That much is clear to me now.

I would say I am sorry you have chosen this path, but it is one you embarked on knowingly. Now live with it.


Pathetic, pitiful?

You'll have to try harder, if you'd like to offend me, Hunter. I'm not the one sucking at the teat of a malformed monstrosity like a good little peon.

Your opinion of me is irrelevant, and insignificant. Continue to bark for your master like a good little puppy, and pray those tiny teeth of yours can even hope to pierce the skin you'll be facing when these people get their act together and unite against you.

As for my allies? They lie in Venal, nowhere else. It's been this way for half a decade, and your weak attempts to twist my allegiance into some form of betrayal are laughable at best.

I'll play no part in dancing to the tune of your master's little freak show.


FeralShadow
NME1
Posted - 2010.06.27 20:30:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: FeralShadow on 27/06/2010 20:33:17
One would think, Ghost, that if Kuvakei made his plans completely transparent to the public, we could judge for ourselves whether he had good intentions or not. How do you beat propaganda? Give it nothing to take hold of. It's dangerous, but if Nation is really the "good guys" as you all scream at us at every opportunity, then there's no reason as to why it has to be so secretive. As I've always been told, you never have to keep good intentions secret. Verone is a good man, so until we can decide for ourselves that Nation is anything but hostile, we'll be behind him and anybody else who wants to protect our way of life. Our way of life isn't perfect, but we'd rather it stay not perfect than be unable to think individually.

Caellach Marellus
Gallente
Nephtys Ventures inc
Posted - 2010.06.27 21:02:00 - [33]
 

Thank you Ethan.

Also I hope the Nation isn't foolish enough to decend on Goinard. Far be it stupid enough to attack Veto, there are a large number of patrons of the Last Gate who won't want these toaster heads messing with their favourite drinking hole.

J4m Z
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.06.27 21:16:00 - [34]
 

I've heard Nation stops at nothing to see their goals fulfilled. If Kuvakei makes good on his threats, I'll stop at nothing to defend Ethan and all my fellow Veto Corp pilots.

Gottii
Minmatar
Lutinari Syndicate
Electus Matari
Posted - 2010.06.27 21:16:00 - [35]
 

Well done Ethan. I'm glad you chose this path on your Walk.

Sah Phyre
Gallente
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.06.28 00:00:00 - [36]
 

To be proud of your CEO, what a wonderful feeling...

Mammal Tafren
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2010.06.28 00:52:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Mammal Tafren on 28/06/2010 01:28:01
Um, this is hard to say but....

The ILF stands with Veto.

Just an aside, I've drawn some heat for saying this. To clarify, the ILF supports VETO's decision not to give in to the demands of a madman. The ILF cautiously waits for VETO to prove themselves enemies of Sansha on the battlefield. The ILF gives VETO the benefit of the doubt on this matter when other individuals are calling their stance a PR stunt.

Angel Vengen
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.06.28 01:10:00 - [38]
 

If I ever needed more proof that I picked the right group to fly with, this is it. Even as the "seedy underbelly" of New Eden, we have morals, and more character than most others out there.

My allegiance is, has, and always will be to Verone, Veto, and all my fellow pirates. And to those that would stand against us... Well lets just say it will be fun.

Vechtor
Intaki Security and Intelligence
Posted - 2010.06.28 03:12:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Mammal Tafren

Um, this is hard to say but....

The ILF stands with Veto.



Holly crap...

According to public records all around empire, VETO. has inflicted a total loss of more than 3.8 trillion ISK on other people, most of them inocent people, victims of piracy and all kinds of harassment. According to those same records, their "favorite prey" are capsules...

And ILF now stands with them? Is there any possible reality where something VETO. could do to justify neutrals standing with them, even to fight Nation forces?

Andreus LeHane
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2010.06.28 03:21:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Vechtor
Holly crap...

According to public records all around empire, VETO. has inflicted a total loss of more than 3.8 trillion ISK on other people, most of them inocent people, victims of piracy and all kinds of harassment. According to those same records, their "favorite prey" are capsules...

And ILF now stands with them? Is there any possible reality where something VETO. could do to justify neutrals standing with them, even to fight Nation forces


You are aware of what Kyonoke does to a person, right?

Vincent Pryce
Gallente
Damnation Angels
Naraka.
Posted - 2010.06.28 03:31:00 - [41]
 

I stand proud with Xav in this.

Fire the first shot Kuvakei, I dare you. Give me the reason to fire back and I will take vengeance upon you and your kin.

For my sister, for Hikari.

KuroiOokami
Posted - 2010.06.28 03:37:00 - [42]
 

I think how Sansha came about the speck could be more to do with he found the second ship of the raid that took place after the quarantine, due to the reports of it not being seen since the raid it potentially could have been picked up Sansha scan systems.

Mammal Tafren
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2010.06.28 04:47:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Vechtor
And ILF now stands with them? Is there any possible reality where something VETO. could do to justify neutrals standing with them, even to fight Nation forces?


Sigh.

Vechtor, please read my post. It is quite possible for the ILF to approve of Verone's decision here without giving general approval for the past or present behaviour of his organisation.

All I ask for is a little pragmatism. Nation is the threat at hand. The ILF will meet that threat.

Gorion Wassenar
Caldari
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2010.06.28 05:23:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Gorion Wassenar on 28/06/2010 06:24:55
This is one of those things that mankind prays to never have to encounter. A calamity so dire that even people who otherwise are often accompanied when described with such lovely epitaphs such as "scum" and "Freebooter" or "Wouldn't trust farther then I could spit", blanch at the thought of this being unleashed upon the galaxy.

I am proud that you had it within you to make the choice you knew was right. I am proud that I knew that you were this person all along and that one day you would finally make the choice I knew would one day be forced upon you. I am proud that we will be brothers in arms against something so vile none should be able to stand idle. This is truly the greatest threat to mankind in our lifetime.

Let us end this threat.

Michael Blackthorne
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.06.28 06:33:00 - [45]
 

Never doubted joining Veto.
Never will.
And this is another reason why.

To all who would stand against Verone & Veto, bring it!
We stand behind our leader and our fellow pirates, always.

Katrina Bekers
Gallente
Fighters Squadron
Posted - 2010.06.28 08:33:00 - [46]
 

I'm honestly impressed by Verone's resolution and courage, and applaud him and his group for their guts before such an aggravating menace.

However, I'm quite worried at the other half of the news here.

Kyonoke is not something to take lightly.

It's worrisome that the viral agent escaped the Pit, and even more, that it's in the hands of a zombie madman with a deep grudge against the rest of the cluster.

(I know my relationship with Guristas is not exactly a lovely one, but the one with Sansha isn't any better.)

While I feel relatively safe at the encapsulated helm of my ships - from shuttles to dreadnoughts - I can't but express my concern about the well being of my many crew members, of station personnel where I'm docked and assisted in maintenance and trade duties, of workers in my dirtside extractors and processors, of POS employees taking care of my labs, structures and defenses, heck, even of stargate operators granting me freedom of movement around the cluster.

Them, the machinery they diligently and skillfully operate, their training, their welfare, and their families are assets I have a deep interest in keeping away from harm.

Dame Death
Minmatar
Core Impulse
Posted - 2010.06.28 10:32:00 - [47]
 

We have our diffences Ethan but you need more firepower against Nation just ask.

La Merovingian
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.06.28 16:25:00 - [48]
 

Vechtor, I'm not sure how you go about staffing your starships, but every single soul aboard my vessels are volunteers. And they know exactly what they're getting into when we undock. I pay them well for it. The same should go for every other crew of every single capsuleer-piloted starship out there. Even the slaves. Hell, I bet the slaves almost expect to die. Every single ship roaming New Eden is at the mercy and skill (or lack thereof) of it's capsuleer. Unless we encounter a vessel who's pilot has derogatory standings with Veto, and the situation allows for it, we will always offer a ransom. And we will always honor that ransom. The same cannot be said for others in New Eden. Simply destroying a vessel is typically less profitable than ransoming the vessel.

To the crews of any starship that's been destroyed by our corporation(or should I say any survivors they left behind), I offer you this; Blame your captain. It was THEY who took the risk of venturing into lawless space to simply make more profit. It was THEY who carelessly threw your lives away, knowing that they were immortal. And it was THEY who failed to pay a reasonable ransom to save their ship, cargo, and crew. With such careless captains abound in New Eden, it's no wonder we've wrought such destruction.

CONCORD and the other residents of New Eden have taken to calling us "Pirates" and it's a name that's grown on us. We wear it proudly. But remember this; With this title of "Pirate" you know exactly what to expect from us in an encounter. We don't hide behind the guise of neutrality. You call the destruction of ships and crews a "massacre." We call it business. However, absolutely NOTHING that Veto has done can even remotely compare to the threat we face today. This virus, this MENACE, that can be unleashed upon New Eden will devastate entire worlds. Perhaps even entire star systems. There is nothing profitable about annihilating populations by the billions. Keep this situation in perspective, New Eden. If the lawless outlaws of this galaxy are calling for a united front against such a threat, then perhaps this threat is greater than you have imagined.

Robert Kauliford
Kauliford Trading
Posted - 2010.06.28 16:51:00 - [49]
 

*Robert grins*

I guess we just refused an offer we couldn't refuse.

Janos Saal
Amarr
Posted - 2010.06.28 17:25:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: Janos Saal on 28/06/2010 17:45:23
Originally by: La Merovingian
**** is the fault of the woman, if only she wouldn't have dressed like such a ****


Hmm yes please tell me more about this theory of yours.

E: to clarify - you're a pirate. Just stand up and admit that you're extorting people. Don't try and paint it like you're providing some reasonable service to your... what do you call them - victims or customers?

That aside, I would like to take the opportunity to applaud Verone for bringing these details to light.

La Merovingian
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.06.28 18:53:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Janos Saal
Originally by: La Merovingian
**** is the fault of the woman, if only she wouldn't have dressed like such a ****

Hmm yes please tell me more about this theory of yours.


If you really think that can only happen to women, I've got some toys I'd happily introduce to you. Besides, is it not the captain who chose to pilot their ship and crew into space where even CONCORD says is dangerous? If not Veto, then some other individual or organization could have proven my point just as well. Alas, this is not what I've come here to discuss.

Originally by: Janos Saal
E: to clarify - you're a pirate. Just stand up and admit that you're extorting people. Don't try and paint it like you're providing some reasonable service to your... what do you call them - victims or customers?


I believe I did admit as much. Proudly, even. My exploits are generally public knowledge. Extortion. Murder. Assault. Robbery. Black Market Trading. Kidnapping. The list is long, but there's no need to continue. I know who I am, and what I am. I do nothing without motive, Janos.

The purpose of my statements earlier wasn't to debate or attempt to reason with or even justify to any of you, my actions, or those of Veto. I'm glad that many of you know of and see the things we do. It only helps to further my point; If even people like us feel the need to unify and stand against this threat, then perhaps the true gravity of this threat will be noticed by many more capsuleers who feel that none of this concerns them.

Mike Azariah
Posted - 2010.06.28 20:04:00 - [52]
 

People, people. Let us try to stay on top of the issue before us. We are not debating the merits or demerits of Veto. We are seeing the possible start of a disaster in New Eden the likes of which has never been seen before.

We are seeing enemies willing to stand side by side to face this common atrocity that faces us all. After the Nation is defeated or the lid put back on the Pandoras Box we call Kyonoke THEN we can go back to growling and name-calling.

Till then all I ask is that people step up, stand up and be counted. Let the others know that siding with the Nation is going to introduce you to a whole new Universe of pain and destruction. We will set aside differences just to end you, Nation.

M

Till then Stand Up

Ze'ev Sinraali
Ataraxia Pharmacies
Posted - 2010.06.28 20:09:00 - [53]
 

Though I tend to think there's a decent chance he's bluffing, we really can't afford to find out. It's probably time to get to work on that Kyonoke speck research project Ashar Kor-Azor proposed at the strategic conference.

Saikoyu
Amarr
Rho Dynamics
Posted - 2010.06.28 20:23:00 - [54]
 

Mr. Verone, first I will say that I am sorry that your sister was taken. The words above are not nearly enough to express my sadness, or to portray this individual vile act against the background of this greater tragedy, but they are the words that I have.

Second, I thank you for opposing the Sansha Nation in this way, and I ask for a small amount more. Currently I am overseeing a research effort that will hopefully lead to the reversal of the conversion that takes an ordinary human and turns them into a True Slave. As an aside to this, I am also taking precautions against the Kyonoke Virus, including a possible inoculation or cure. If, during the course of your negotiations, any information that might help either goal was revealed to you, I would ask if you would share it with me.

Thank you for your courage, and your honor.

Siakoyu Eblis-Kad

Spyer O'Brian
Posted - 2010.06.28 20:28:00 - [55]
 

If you are being transparent, I would like some questions answered in regards to these negotiations.

Where are the rest of the communications? What were the terms of this deal? What were your plans for the plague?

It is all well and good that you are being forthcoming with this information, but I am not sure we can really trust you without the whole of the story, not just the beginning and end.

Wedgetail
Posted - 2010.06.28 21:01:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
So, anyone want to start taking bets on when the first Kyonoke-soaked capital ships will start ramming our homeworlds?


Given what I know of the virus and how quickly it spreads...they won't need capital ships...

Vechtor
Intaki Security and Intelligence
Posted - 2010.06.28 22:01:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Mammal Tafren
Originally by: Vechtor
And ILF now stands with them? Is there any possible reality where something VETO. could do to justify neutrals standing with them, even to fight Nation forces?


Sigh.

Vechtor, please read my post. It is quite possible for the ILF to approve of Verone's decision here without giving general approval for the past or present behaviour of his organisation.

All I ask for is a little pragmatism. Nation is the threat at hand. The ILF will meet that threat.


Sigh.

I see.

What is not clear to me is the "standing" with them part.

Does that mean that while ILF works together with VETO. against nation you won't engage on any hostility against them shall they pass or move temporarily their base of operations to Intaki? Does that mean that, regarding ILF, they'll have "safe passage" there?

Maybe you could enlighten me, the other corporations of Intaki, and the Intaki Assembly more on that issue, besides just sighing.

Saxon Hawke
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2010.06.28 22:29:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Vechtor
Does that mean that while ILF works together with VETO. against nation you won't engage on any hostility against them shall they pass or move temporarily their base of operations to Intaki? Does that mean that, regarding ILF, they'll have "safe passage" there?


Vechtor,

For someone who couldn't be bothered to remain in the ILF, you certainly do seem to be rather concerned with its operation. For old times sake, though, I'll humor you.

As for the matter of the ILF "supporting" VETO, I think the choice of wording was poor, but the reasoning is sound.

After the tragedy of the Ostingele terraforming operation in which 2 million souls were lost trying to create a new colony in Intaki Space and the repeated Sansha incursions into the home system, there can be little doubt that Sansha forces intend to make the Intaki part of their "nation." In my mind they pose the single most significant threat to the Intaki people in generations.

The ILF will stand in opposition of Sansha forces until the last and in doing so we will honor temporary ceasefire agreements during engagements with Sansha forces as long as those agreements are honored by others. Should VETO pilots prove themselves dishonorable by makeing opportunistic attacks during or after engagements, then we will consider them as enemy combatants in all future encounters with the Sansha.

Outside of Sansha encounters, we have no truce agreement with VETO and would expect their pilots to act in accordance with their widely-known rules of engagement (i.e. piracy for profit/ransom/etc.) ILF pilots will continue to operate under our current ROE.

Vechtor
Intaki Security and Intelligence
Posted - 2010.06.28 22:39:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Saxon Hawke

Vechtor,

For someone who couldn't be bothered to remain in the ILF, you certainly do seem to be rather concerned with its operation. For old times sake, though, I'll humor you.


Of course I do Mr. Hawke. I live in the same place you do. Your home is also my home and vice-versa. I can't turn my eyes blind on everything ILF do with regard to piracy and to be honest, you should continue doing so with everyone who lives there as well. Either you are an anti-piracy organization or you are not. There is no mid-logic on this issue.

Originally by: Saxon Hawke

As for the matter of the ILF "supporting" VETO, I think the choice of wording was poor, but the reasoning is sound.


In my understanding, you are not supporting VETO., as the fight against Nation is not a VETO. fight. In my view, VETO. as a marginal band of pirates who do business on ransoming inocent people decided to support the rest of the universe fight against Nation now because their dirigent(s) have become more directly involved with it.

Originally by: Saxon Hawke

Outside of Sansha encounters, we have no truce agreement with VETO and would expect their pilots to act in accordance with their widely-known rules of engagement (i.e. piracy for profit/ransom/etc.) ILF pilots will continue to operate under our current ROE.


Fair enough.

Rainsdon
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.06.29 01:03:00 - [60]
 

We are no turn coats to the side that offers us more power, we know who we are and we know where we stand.

Regardless of what many people sees us as - we are loyal, we are honourable.

In the current time we are living in; Loyalty isn't sold... nor is it bought and neither is it threatened.

Kuvakei can only buy loyalty with fear, he cannot earn it. Just shows you what type of person he and his Nation truly are.


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