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Sellara One
Posted - 2010.06.25 10:34:00 - [1]
 

the subject pretty much says it all.
which is the most profitable.
a)mining ice in empire
b)mining ice in 0.0
c) mining rare ores in 0.0

thanks


iP0D
Posted - 2010.06.25 10:51:00 - [2]
 

Level 4 missions for empire high sec
Level 4 missions for empire low sec
Haven and Sanctum sites in 0.0

Mining ice in 0.0 comes mostly down to liquid ozone for bridges, anything else is easily and very cheaply imported from empire. Make the isk with moons, allocate budget on pos fuels, buy as needed. Much more time efficient then anything else, plus you're less dependant on carebear pilots on the side.

Maewei Balducci
Posted - 2010.06.25 15:29:00 - [3]
 

if you want really to mine then c) rare ores in 0.0
ice is the worst thing to make money.

XGC Starfire
Posted - 2010.06.25 17:10:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Maewei Balducci
if you want really to mine then c) rare ores in 0.0
ice is the worst thing to make money.


That might be true to a certain extent but there are factors you are not taking in if your really dedicated to maximizing isk/hr. Mining the rare ores depends on location, might have to scan out site for them or unless you have arkonor present in system belts already then the factor of waiting for the ore to respawn once the other 30 miners are eating it. Theres also moving around alot as a factor and asteroids depleting constantly with a mass of lasers present.

I myself prefer mining Dark Glitter, it at the same level as Arkonor in price well like a few mil under, but saves a lot of time and you get more isk/hr at the end since ice rocks are nearly impossible to deplete takes weeks to even try to finish one with 20+ macks going at the same rock non stop. It depends on skills also if you don't have maxed out skills don't bother hoping to get the max isk/hr. If you are able to fly god hulk/mack then its no problem.

Bonuses are also a factor to how much isk/hr you can make, for example using a Rorqual pilot with maxed mining bonuses is a real great help over all, but can be done with Orca of course. It just depends how dedicated you are at the end, I can make up to 400-600mil in a couple of hours mining ice and this is of course jumping it to high sec and sell it but lately its better to sell in nullsec since price for ice in high sec isn't that good as null. Just leaves to say depending on your location and skills anything can be profitable.

Jita Bloodtear
Posted - 2010.06.25 19:49:00 - [5]
 

Dark glitter mining is nearing an all time low for profit. Ozone and strontium have tanked enormously (check jita sale records to confirm). A block of dark glitter used to be 300k-400k (650k after last Hulkageddon), but is now 240k or so. Arkonor/Bistot/Crokite have always been worth more than ice, in terms of profit. Even with the drop in megacyte/zydrine prices arkonor is worth twice that of dark glitter. Ore mining hidden belts in nulsec is the most profitable

Sellara One
Posted - 2010.06.26 00:04:00 - [6]
 

So for the most isk per hour empire ice mining is ruled out it sounds like. I'm also getting mixed messages from you guys so I'm going to do a little research on the market.
I also gotta take into account there's two systems with ice ice right next to my corps pos so I'll see if a steady stream of dark glitter is better than whatever the best roids are out there.

XGC Starfire
Posted - 2010.06.26 01:23:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: XGC Starfire on 26/06/2010 01:23:45
For example one of the top rare ores to mine is Arkonor which sells for 298isk/m3 and Dark Glitter best ice sells for 265isk/m3; a 33isk/m3 difference(with Jita Prices). Like I said earlier moving around is a hastle when mining ores and Ice you can stay on same spot for weeks, so I myself prefer Dark Glitter than Arkonor just saves time and easy to manage.

Jita Bloodtear
Posted - 2010.06.26 02:44:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: XGC Starfire
Edited by: XGC Starfire on 26/06/2010 01:23:45
For example one of the top rare ores to mine is Arkonor which sells for 298isk/m3 and Dark Glitter best ice sells for 265isk/m3; a 33isk/m3 difference(with Jita Prices). Like I said earlier moving around is a hastle when mining ores and Ice you can stay on same spot for weeks, so I myself prefer Dark Glitter than Arkonor just saves time and easy to manage.


I see where you got the numbers from then. But gotta remember that mackinaws pull up only 78,590 m3/hr, while a hulk can pull up 164,800 m3/hr. So even if ice is more isk/m3, you're still getting about half the isk of arkonor due to extraction rates.

Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
Posted - 2010.06.26 03:19:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Jita Bloodtear

I see where you got the numbers from then. But gotta remember that mackinaws pull up only 78,590 m3/hr, while a hulk can pull up 164,800 m3/hr. So even if ice is more isk/m3, you're still getting about half the isk of arkonor due to extraction rates.


I would love to know where you got your numbers from. An all level 5, fully T2 fit hulk (strip miners, crystals, and MLUs) with an all level 5 Orca pulls in just over 2000m3 per minute which comes to just over 120,000m3 per hour. The only difference between using a rorq over an orca is an extra 2% per level on the effectiveness of the ganglinks which does not translate into 44,000m3 of ore an hour.

Mining ice comes out to about 850m3 per minute or about 51,000m3 per hour.

Even using the 5% implants you still can't get anywhere near the numbers you stated.


Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
Posted - 2010.06.26 06:45:00 - [10]
 

Honestly I wouldn't mine ice unless my efforts were directly part of a corporations liquid ozone supply chain. It is just that unprofitable. If you by heavy research or dumb luck find a place that it is profitable, then more power to you. Keep that fact a secret and exploit it like crazy till the gravy train leaves station.

andeira
Posted - 2010.06.26 10:37:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Jita Bloodtear

I see where you got the numbers from then. But gotta remember that mackinaws pull up only 78,590 m3/hr, while a hulk can pull up 164,800 m3/hr. So even if ice is more isk/m3, you're still getting about half the isk of arkonor due to extraction rates.


I would love to know where you got your numbers from. An all level 5, fully T2 fit hulk (strip miners, crystals, and MLUs) with an all level 5 Orca pulls in just over 2000m3 per minute which comes to just over 120,000m3 per hour. The only difference between using a rorq over an orca is an extra 2% per level on the effectiveness of the ganglinks which does not translate into 44,000m3 of ore an hour.

Mining ice comes out to about 850m3 per minute or about 51,000m3 per hour.

Even using the 5% implants you still can't get anywhere near the numbers you stated.




try the mining foreman mindlink in the rorq pilots head when in deployed mode his bonuses are awesome

2728 m3 per minute for hulk wich is 163680 m3 an hour
mack gets 1207 m3 a minute wich is 72420 m3 an hour

Jita Bloodtear
Posted - 2010.06.26 13:12:00 - [12]
 

My numbers are from our yields that we receive ingame. Perfect miners, perfect rorqual boosts. Can edge out more ore per hour by using mining drones. The report in my signature has all the numbers

ace jetpack
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.06.26 15:50:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: ace jetpack on 26/06/2010 15:52:55
Actually the latest caculation I did, at he current jita sell prices arkonor makes u only 7.4mil a can, not even worth the time an effort to setup a mining operation in nullsec. For the amount of toons it takes to be profitable mining you can run 1 carrier pilot doing anoms and beat 2 hulks mining, when both hulks are doing 4500m3 per cycle. caculation put me at around 50mil an Hour..Which is horrible I can make 60-80 mil an hour plus the possibilty of a faction drop fron havens and sanctums. I hope they minerals rebound or CCP patch has killed the mining profession.


P.S that is with a carrier pilot sporting 12 fighters and Having Carrier V and Fighter V in a thanny for 1500dps :)

XGC Starfire
Posted - 2010.06.26 21:57:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: ace jetpack
Edited by: ace jetpack on 26/06/2010 15:52:55
Actually the latest caculation I did, at he current jita sell prices arkonor makes u only 7.4mil a can, not even worth the time an effort to setup a mining operation in nullsec. For the amount of toons it takes to be profitable mining you can run 1 carrier pilot doing anoms and beat 2 hulks mining, when both hulks are doing 4500m3 per cycle. caculation put me at around 50mil an Hour..Which is horrible I can make 60-80 mil an hour plus the possibilty of a faction drop fron havens and sanctums. I hope they minerals rebound or CCP patch has killed the mining profession.


P.S that is with a carrier pilot sporting 12 fighters and Having Carrier V and Fighter V in a thanny for 1500dps :)


Mining is being discussed and not plexing/ratting so deosnt matter if your in a carrier we care about numbers involving mining.

Sellara One
Posted - 2010.06.26 22:57:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: ace jetpack
Edited by: ace jetpack on 26/06/2010 15:52:55
Actually the latest caculation I did, at he current jita sell prices arkonor makes u only 7.4mil a can, not even worth the time an effort to setup a mining operation in nullsec. For the amount of toons it takes to be profitable mining you can run 1 carrier pilot doing anoms and beat 2 hulks mining, when both hulks are doing 4500m3 per cycle. caculation put me at around 50mil an Hour..Which is horrible I can make 60-80 mil an hour plus the possibilty of a faction drop fron havens and sanctums. I hope they minerals rebound or CCP patch has killed the mining profession.


P.S that is with a carrier pilot sporting 12 fighters and Having Carrier V and Fighter V in a thanny
for 1500dps :)


firstly I don't mind if my miner is making less than my main. I just made her for a little extra cash and to have fun with another character. The 25 - 40mill an hour would be plenty as I do actually have a carrier ( just getting those skills maxed ). You said you have 12 drones out, youhave like 6 drone controls on?
anyway I've been looking Around the systems an found a bit of hedbergite, not sure if it's the greatest one but there seems to be a bit of it.

XGC Starfire
Posted - 2010.06.27 02:48:00 - [16]
 

Yep, and got to take into an consideration I don't fly 1 measly god hulk/mack...I multibox 4 so shh about how much you make in a carrier.


 

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