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Hurtful Words
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2010.06.24 17:20:00 - [1]
 

"In gratitude for your patience and after consulting the Council of Stellar Management, we will give an extra pool of skillpoints to all accounts (paying and trial) that were active at the beginning of this downtime, on one character per account. This skillpoint pool will be appropriately sized for the downtime time frame, universal across all accounts regardless of character attributes/implants and may be applied as each player wants."


Hmmm...what to do, what to do.

JitaArse
Posted - 2010.06.24 17:49:00 - [2]
 

may this be a preparation for taking away advanced learning skills? :)

Lilith Civire
Dissonance Corp
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2010.06.24 17:58:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: JitaArse
may this be a preparation for taking away advanced learning skills? :)



boring, keep that discussion to the threads on general.

I'll probably do some really irrelevant skill to level 4 I guess.

Viral Effect
Caldari
BRAINDEAD Corp
Posted - 2010.06.24 18:05:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: JitaArse
may this be a preparation for taking away advanced learning skills? :)



I hope not since most people want to keep them.

Marco P
Really Nice And Laidback Corporation
Posted - 2010.06.24 20:01:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Lilith Civire


I'll probably do some really irrelevant skill to level 4 I guess.


Might be a little tricky with only roughly 1 day's worth of SPs.

Clueless Alt
Posted - 2010.06.24 23:43:00 - [6]
 

Use them on skills that don't fitt your attributes (like charisma based).

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.06.24 23:51:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Viral Effect
Originally by: JitaArse
may this be a preparation for taking away advanced learning skills? :)
I hope not since most people want to keep them.
You have some data backing up this claim, I take it?

Eno Lacigol
Amarr
QQ Continuum
Posted - 2010.06.25 00:13:00 - [8]
 

How do you receive these free SP?

suckitdonks
Posted - 2010.06.25 00:39:00 - [9]
 

sounds more like the start of SP reallocation

Swidgen
Posted - 2010.06.25 00:57:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Viral Effect
Originally by: JitaArse
may this be a preparation for taking away advanced learning skills? :)
I hope not since most people want to keep them.
You have some data backing up this claim, I take it?

Right after those who want them gone show data backing up their own claim. It's like people who never went to college proposing to eliminate colleges because they don't like the fact that those who attended one have higher earning power (SP per hour).

Frank d'Fairy
Posted - 2010.06.25 02:01:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Frank d''Fairy on 25/06/2010 02:01:57
Originally by: Swidgen
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Viral Effect
Originally by: JitaArse
may this be a preparation for taking away advanced learning skills? :)
I hope not since most people want to keep them.
You have some data backing up this claim, I take it?

Right after those who want them gone show data backing up their own claim. It's like people who never went to college proposing to eliminate colleges because they don't like the fact that those who attended one have higher earning power (SP per hour).

Evidence of what? SP/hour gains out-pace the time spent on learning skill after 3 years, therefor anyone wanting to play more than three years (or intending to) would want to train them as quickly as possible. This is an obvious detriment to building other important core skills.

Chock it up to another moron making the "learning skills = college" argument in a barely related thread.

Stonie Bandit
Caldari
Fearless Bandits
Posted - 2010.06.25 02:23:00 - [12]
 

Intention to commit to a single game for that long....never

Before you know it you are 3 years lost in spaceRazz

Faccat
Posted - 2010.06.25 02:31:00 - [13]
 

The people with the skills want to keep their advantage. They want anyone new to suffer through a couple weeks of time sink that doesn't lead directly anywhere. Rather, they want new players to look at the pain it is do tread water doing the learning skills and instead choose to be lesser players in the long run by choosing to play the game instead of "play" the learning skills.

Of course players who have them want them. What's amazing is how so many can rationalize how much they "like" the learning skills or they "earned" them. These skills are universally applicable and make every character better. There is no thought process in choosing to get them other than do I want more playable skills now or more playable skills in 3 years. That is a horrible game decision. It is nothing compared to normal game decisions of "what kind of tank do I want to do?" "What ship to fly?" "what racial ships to fly?"

Instead new players are presented with question, "Do I want to play now?" If they want to be the best player possible, the answer to that is "no". That's a good indication there is something wrong with the choices.

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.06.25 06:14:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Pottsey on 25/06/2010 06:16:44
k d'Fairy said "SP/hour gains out-pace the time spent on learning skill after 3 years,"
That's only half true. Any time you have a unexpected change of direction or get new skills your learning skills works out better off right away, not 3 years later.

I need to double check the numbers but for me, I trained adv5 learning skills then the next year skill plan finished something like 17 days faster. I didn't have to wait 3 years to end up better off.

Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
Minmatar
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
Posted - 2010.06.25 07:16:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: JitaArse
may this be a preparation for taking away advanced learning skills? :)



I saw what you did there.

Lusty Wench
Posted - 2010.06.25 07:24:00 - [16]
 

The whole 60-70K SP? (30 hours @ 2k-2.5k)

Be still my heart... /yawn

Natalie Caladan
Posted - 2010.06.25 07:52:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Swidgen

Right after those who want them gone show data backing up their own claim. It's like people who never went to college proposing to eliminate colleges because they don't like the fact that those who attended one have higher earning power (SP per hour).

Nonsense.

I went to college (and have to follow courses on regular basis for my employer) and I'm against learning skills. At least you learn something useful in college, I regard learning skills as just an very artifical way to get another 2 months subscription just to be able to train at "normal" speed.
I'd even say that 2,700 SP/hr is very low, imo it could be increased to a max of around ~4,000SP/hr.

TriIIian
Posted - 2010.06.25 08:37:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Natalie Caladan
Originally by: Swidgen

Right after those who want them gone show data backing up their own claim. It's like people who never went to college proposing to eliminate colleges because they don't like the fact that those who attended one have higher earning power (SP per hour).

Nonsense.

I went to college (and have to follow courses on regular basis for my employer) and I'm against learning skills. At least you learn something useful in college, I regard learning skills as just an very artifical way to get another 2 months subscription just to be able to train at "normal" speed.
I'd even say that 2,700 SP/hr is very low, imo it could be increased to a max of around ~4,000SP/hr.


Agree with you Natalie, Even CCP said it was a mistake. 4000 sp/hour would be perfect.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.06.25 10:34:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Swidgen
Right after those who want them gone show data backing up their own claim.
And what claim is that, exactly?

Chakarr
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.06.25 12:04:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
Originally by: JitaArse
may this be a preparation for taking away advanced learning skills? :)



I saw what you did there.


Yeah nice thread de-railer...

Thread = Hijacked... Rolling Eyes

Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Spikes Chop Shop
Posted - 2010.06.25 12:36:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Pottsey
Edited by: Pottsey on 25/06/2010 06:16:44
k d'Fairy said "SP/hour gains out-pace the time spent on learning skill after 3 years,"
That's only half true. Any time you have a unexpected change of direction or get new skills your learning skills works out better off right away, not 3 years later.
...


and that again is only half truth. unexpected change of direction can reduce your overall training speed, especially if you train something you are not remapped for.

Omir Kajil
Gallente
Armada Projection
Posted - 2010.06.25 13:05:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Eno Lacigol
How do you receive these free SP?


Shocked

I'd like to know the answer to this as well. Maybe it's a stupid question, but I couldn't seem to find where to get these extra SP? Haha

Jack Icegaard
The Omega Project
Posted - 2010.06.25 13:28:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Jack Icegaard on 25/06/2010 17:46:32
Originally by: Faccat
The people with the skills want to keep their advantage. They want anyone new to suffer through a couple weeks of time sink that doesn't lead directly anywhere. Rather, they want new players to look at the pain it is do tread water doing the learning skills and instead choose to be lesser players in the long run by choosing to play the game instead of "play" the learning skills.

Of course players who have them want them. What's amazing is how so many can rationalize how much they "like" the learning skills or they "earned" them. These skills are universally applicable and make every character better. There is no thought process in choosing to get them other than do I want more playable skills now or more playable skills in 3 years. That is a horrible game decision. It is nothing compared to normal game decisions of "what kind of tank do I want to do?" "What ship to fly?" "what racial ships to fly?"

Instead new players are presented with question, "Do I want to play now?" If they want to be the best player possible, the answer to that is "no". That's a good indication there is something wrong with the choices.


“suffer”

“pain”

“choose to be lesser players”

That sound really emotional. You are talking about training skills, right? Like when you plug a skill into the training queue and then you have to.. oh gee, you don't have to do anything else. You can just play the game without worrying too much about it. There really isn't so much “pain” and “suffering” as you are portraying it to be. And less SP does not necessary mean a “lesser player”.

Johhny Reb
Posted - 2010.06.25 20:21:00 - [24]
 

Well they did say they have been creating this system, and it's going live on Tuesday (I think), so it's obviously something they are intending to be used again, unless they are strictly using for extened downtime reimbursement.

Xylopia
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2010.06.25 23:38:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Johhny Reb
Well they did say they have been creating this system, and it's going live on Tuesday (I think), so it's obviously something they are intending to be used again, unless they are strictly using for extened downtime reimbursement.


Quote:
Since it has been “hot dropped” into the development plans, we will be providing step-by-step instructions for how to use it as soon as possible.


Will you read it again?

For those who believe CCP should decide to remove and reimburse learning skills, I suggest you to watch forum and all blog sphere what happens at the moment dev blog goes out.

Even better, let every account holder vote to see if majority want to remove and reimburse or keep it the way it is.

Then we can talk.

Xiang Jiao
Posted - 2010.06.27 19:24:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Johhny Reb
Well they did say they have been creating this system, and it's going live on Tuesday (I think), so it's obviously something they are intending to be used again, unless they are strictly using for extened downtime reimbursement.


Judging by the track record of unexpected (or unintended) downtime in this game, they needed this system years ago, but better late than never!

Eva Darkstar
Posted - 2010.06.27 22:03:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Eva Darkstar on 27/06/2010 22:03:23
Originally by: Viral Effect
Originally by: JitaArse
may this be a preparation for taking away advanced learning skills? :)



I hope not since most people want to keep them.



Strange, most threads I've read on learning skills suggests there's more people that would like to get rid of them.

Hellinthose
Posted - 2010.06.27 22:33:00 - [28]
 

Two days of training is worth about 100,000 sp.

18,000,000 sp a year / 365 days per year * 2 days lost in tranquility migration.

Thats not much in the long run or even in the short run. I guess ill put it to best use and train those last remaining Level V learning skills.


Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.06.27 23:06:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Hellinthose
Two days of training is worth about 100,000 sp.

18,000,000 sp a year / 365 days per year * 2 days lost in tranquility migration.

Thats not much in the long run or even in the short run. I guess ill put it to best use and train those last remaining Level V learning skills.
Well hey, it's Lvl IV + change of a rank 1 skill… Razz

Villa Wolfsbane
Amarr
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2010.06.27 23:56:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Eva Darkstar
Edited by: Eva Darkstar on 27/06/2010 22:03:23
Originally by: Viral Effect
Originally by: JitaArse
may this be a preparation for taking away advanced learning skills? :)



I hope not since most people want to keep them.



Strange, most threads I've read on learning skills suggests there's more people that would like to get rid of them.


I'm going to lay a bet that the majority of players in eve have no strong desire to get rid of learning skills, and no strong desire to keep them. In fact, I bet the majority of Eve players rarely if ever think aabout them


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