Posted - 2010.06.24 17:58:00 - [3]

 

Originally by: JitaArse

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may this be a preparation for taking away advanced learning skills? :)

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boring, keep that discussion to the threads on general.

I'll probably do some really irrelevant skill to level 4 I guess.

Posted - 2010.06.24 20:01:00 - [5]

 

Originally by: Lilith Civire

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I'll probably do some really irrelevant skill to level 4 I guess.

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Might be a little tricky with only roughly 1 day's worth of SPs.

Posted - 2010.06.24 23:51:00 - [7]

 

Originally by: Viral Effect

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Originally by: JitaArse

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may this be a preparation for taking away advanced learning skills? :)

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I hope not since most people want to keep them.

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You have some data backing up this claim, I take it?

Posted - 2010.06.25 00:39:00 - [9]

 

sounds more like the start of SP reallocation

Posted - 2010.06.25 02:01:00 - [11]

 

Edited by: Frank d''Fairy on 25/06/2010 02:01:57

Originally by: Swidgen

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Viral Effect

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Originally by: JitaArse

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may this be a preparation for taking away advanced learning skills? :)

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I hope not since most people want to keep them.

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You have some data backing up this claim, I take it?

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Right after those who want them gone show data backing up their own claim. It's like people who never went to college proposing to eliminate colleges because they don't like the fact that those who attended one have higher earning power (SP per hour).

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Evidence of what? SP/hour gains out-pace the time spent on learning skill after 3 years, therefor anyone wanting to play more than three years (or intending to) would want to train them as quickly as possible. This is an obvious detriment to building other important core skills.

Chock it up to another moron making the "learning skills = college" argument in a barely related thread.

Posted - 2010.06.25 02:31:00 - [13]

 

The people with the skills want to keep their advantage. They want anyone new to suffer through a couple weeks of time sink that doesn't lead directly anywhere. Rather, they want new players to look at the pain it is do tread water doing the learning skills and instead choose to be lesser players in the long run by choosing to play the game instead of "play" the learning skills.

Of course players who have them want them. What's amazing is how so many can rationalize how much they "like" the learning skills or they "earned" them. These skills are universally applicable and make every character better. There is no thought process in choosing to get them other than do I want more playable skills now or more playable skills in 3 years. That is a horrible game decision. It is nothing compared to normal game decisions of "what kind of tank do I want to do?" "What ship to fly?" "what racial ships to fly?"

Instead new players are presented with question, "Do I want to play now?" If they want to be the best player possible, the answer to that is "no". That's a good indication there is something wrong with the choices.

Posted - 2010.06.25 07:16:00 - [15]

 

Originally by: JitaArse

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may this be a preparation for taking away advanced learning skills? :)

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I saw what you did there.

Posted - 2010.06.25 07:52:00 - [17]

 

Originally by: Swidgen

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Right after those who want them gone show data backing up their own claim. It's like people who never went to college proposing to eliminate colleges because they don't like the fact that those who attended one have higher earning power (SP per hour).

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Nonsense.

I went to college (and have to follow courses on regular basis for my employer) and I'm against learning skills. At least you learn something useful in college, I regard learning skills as just an very artifical way to get another 2 months subscription just to be able to train at "normal" speed.
I'd even say that 2,700 SP/hr is very low, imo it could be increased to a max of around ~4,000SP/hr.

Posted - 2010.06.25 10:34:00 - [19]

 

Originally by: Swidgen

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Right after those who want them gone show data backing up their own claim.

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And what claim is that, exactly?

Posted - 2010.06.25 12:36:00 - [21]

 

Originally by: Pottsey

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Edited by: Pottsey on 25/06/2010 06:16:44
k d'Fairy said "SP/hour gains out-pace the time spent on learning skill after 3 years,"
That's only half true. Any time you have a unexpected change of direction or get new skills your learning skills works out better off right away, not 3 years later.
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and that again is only half truth. unexpected change of direction can reduce your overall training speed, especially if you train something you are not remapped for.

Posted - 2010.06.25 13:28:00 - [23]

 

Edited by: Jack Icegaard on 25/06/2010 17:46:32

Originally by: Faccat

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The people with the skills want to keep their advantage. They want anyone new to suffer through a couple weeks of time sink that doesn't lead directly anywhere. Rather, they want new players to look at the pain it is do tread water doing the learning skills and instead choose to be lesser players in the long run by choosing to play the game instead of "play" the learning skills.

Of course players who have them want them. What's amazing is how so many can rationalize how much they "like" the learning skills or they "earned" them. These skills are universally applicable and make every character better. There is no thought process in choosing to get them other than do I want more playable skills now or more playable skills in 3 years. That is a horrible game decision. It is nothing compared to normal game decisions of "what kind of tank do I want to do?" "What ship to fly?" "what racial ships to fly?"

Instead new players are presented with question, "Do I want to play now?" If they want to be the best player possible, the answer to that is "no". That's a good indication there is something wrong with the choices.

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“suffer”

“pain”

“choose to be lesser players”

That sound really emotional. You are talking about training skills, right? Like when you plug a skill into the training queue and then you have to.. oh gee, you don't have to do anything else. You can just play the game without worrying too much about it. There really isn't so much “pain” and “suffering” as you are portraying it to be. And less SP does not necessary mean a “lesser player”.

Posted - 2010.06.25 23:38:00 - [25]

 

Originally by: Johhny Reb

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Well they did say they have been creating this system, and it's going live on Tuesday (I think), so it's obviously something they are intending to be used again, unless they are strictly using for extened downtime reimbursement.

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Quote:

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Since it has been “hot dropped” into the development plans, we will be providing step-by-step instructions for how to use it as soon as possible.

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Will you read it again?

For those who believe CCP should decide to remove and reimburse learning skills, I suggest you to watch forum and all blog sphere what happens at the moment dev blog goes out.

Even better, let every account holder vote to see if majority want to remove and reimburse or keep it the way it is.

Then we can talk.

Posted - 2010.06.27 22:03:00 - [27]

 

Edited by: Eva Darkstar on 27/06/2010 22:03:23

Originally by: Viral Effect

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Originally by: JitaArse

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may this be a preparation for taking away advanced learning skills? :)

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I hope not since most people want to keep them.

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Strange, most threads I've read on learning skills suggests there's more people that would like to get rid of them.

Posted - 2010.06.27 23:06:00 - [29]

 

Originally by: Hellinthose

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Two days of training is worth about 100,000 sp.

18,000,000 sp a year / 365 days per year * 2 days lost in tranquility migration.

Thats not much in the long run or even in the short run. I guess ill put it to best use and train those last remaining Level V learning skills.

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Well hey, it's Lvl IV + change of a rank 1 skill…