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Metal Dude
Gallente
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition. |
Posted - 2010.06.27 17:27:00 - [ 691]
Maybe they need a little push, because it appears that unless there’s an article in some game magazine about this, CCP will try to ignore their paying customers request for explanation about their failed code, blatant favoritism and inability to act on this matter.
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JuGGeR
Caldari
Phantom Squad
Atlas. |
Posted - 2010.06.28 01:41:00 - [ 692]
 Originally by: Metal Dude
Maybe they need a little push, because it appears that unless there’s an article in some game magazine about this, CCP will try to ignore their paying customers request for explanation about their failed code, blatant favoritism and inability to act on this matter.
2nd that 1 / signed |
Deki
Minmatar
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2010.06.28 01:48:00 - [ 693]
I will post update when CCP publishes minutes from CSM meetings.
Vuk |
Tiger's Spirit
Caldari
Troll Hunters INC.
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Posted - 2010.06.28 05:00:00 - [ 694]
Originally by: Marlona Sky
10 days now CCP. Any updates on the incident?
Yes they still investigating what server hax used the russians. :D |
ThaDollaGenerale
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion |
Posted - 2010.06.28 11:03:00 - [ 695]
Can we just lock this thread?
It's obvious that there is no more constructive posting in here. Just flames. |
Marlona Sky
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.06.28 13:31:00 - [ 696]
Originally by: Deki
I will post update when CCP publishes minutes from CSM meetings.
Vuk
And why the **** do you have more info than the rest of us? This ship resurrection after down time affected all of us at the same time. CCP should share any new information with all of us at the same time. Unless of course your trying to secure more bets and then let CCP know it is ok for them to let the rest of us in on the big secret? It has become quickly obvious representing the player base as well as communicating with us is the very last thing on your agenda. How quickly once elected some CSM delegates turn their back on the community. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.28 14:55:00 - [ 697]
Originally by: Marlona Sky
And why the **** do you have more info than the rest of us? This ship resurrection after down time affected all of us at the same time. CCP should share any new information with all of us at the same time.
Cause CCP did what we players have been clamoring for all the time, to involve the community representatives in important policy/gameplay decisions. And not you're going all EMO and I WANT MY TOYS on them when they do? Just sit back, relax, and wait for the details to work their way through CCP, the GMs, etc so they have a new policy when it comes to conflicts between DB, nodes and killmail servers. |
Marlona Sky
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.06.28 15:40:00 - [ 698]
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Cause CCP did what we players have been clamoring for all the time, to involve the community representatives in important policy/gameplay decisions.
And not you're going all EMO and I WANT MY TOYS on them when they do?
Just sit back, relax, and wait for the details to work their way through CCP, the GMs, etc so they have a new policy when it comes to conflicts between DB, nodes and killmail servers.
I would just rather CCP talk to us directly instead of the CSM if as we saw before, CSM member using inside information to make some bills of other players in betting then CCP decides to talk to us. But whatever. lol Anyone that is foolish enough to make bets against someone who has inside information that decides to hold it back till he gets rich off the players deserves to lose their ISK. Most likely CCP is gonna wait till after this patch tomorrow to announced their findings, the patch will hopefully include a fix to keep the players PC and CCP server on the same page so when someone tries to jump out they either do and live or they don't and die and everyone sees exactly that and also makes sure dead ships stay dead. One can only hope...  |
Kikki Di'je
Minmatar
Lay Low
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Posted - 2010.06.28 18:11:00 - [ 699]
Originally by: Marlona Sky
How quickly once elected some CSM delegates turn their back on the community.
Someones bitter...how about you take that deep breath and step away from the keyboard. You are far from anyone important to be demanding anything. Stop crying already, makes Evil Thug's emo rage look like Barney in comparison. |
Marlona Sky
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.06.28 19:16:00 - [ 700]
Originally by: Kikki Di'je
Originally by: Marlona Sky
How quickly once elected some CSM delegates turn their back on the community.
Someones bitter...how about you take that deep breath and step away from the keyboard. You are far from anyone important to be demanding anything.
Stop crying already, makes Evil Thug's emo rage look like Barney in comparison.
I just want some answers. But please alt, keep saying every response I do is mad or emo or bitter or whatever makes you happy.  |
PCaBoo
Caldari
Ammo and Tag
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns |
Posted - 2010.06.28 21:12:00 - [ 701]
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Farham
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.06.28 21:19:00 - [ 702]
"I just want some answers. But please alt, keep saying every response I do is mad or emo or bitter or whatever makes you happy. Laughing"
Sit down Francis. |
Hyzenthlay Yarrow
Minmatar
Low Expectations
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Posted - 2010.06.29 01:01:00 - [ 703]
Originally by: Marlona Sky
I just want some answers. But please alt, keep saying every response I do is mad or emo or bitter or whatever makes you happy.
Calm down, you're going to give yourself skin failure. |
Le Cardinal
Caldari
Spricer
Raiden. |
Posted - 2010.06.29 06:47:00 - [ 704]
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PCaBoo
Caldari
Ammo and Tag
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns |
Posted - 2010.06.29 06:59:00 - [ 705]
Originally by: Le Cardinal
CCP knows they have a potential new EVEgate going on and try to avoid any discussion about it.
Are we talking about Watergate fail here or the abortion of a patch that brought us gate.eveonline.com? |
Lord TGR
Minmatar
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2010.06.29 07:18:00 - [ 706]
Originally by: Le Cardinal
MH doing a PL in order to take focus away from the fact that there is obvious favourism going on.
Which favoritism? Originally by: Le Cardinal
CCP knows they have a potential new EVEgate going on and try to avoid any discussion about it.
New evegate? Do elaborate. As for EVE itself, I just found this on another board: Quote:
just had a fleet guy lag out from a 4 man bomber run with 21 in local 
Yes. Things have improved vastly after the server move, and we've gotten tons of information on exactly what this is, so we know if it's even being worked on. |
arjun
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2010.06.29 08:09:00 - [ 707]
i am as usual semi surprised how opinions about facts differ along political lines. one should think that there is only one opinion that fits reality best but i am mistaken obviously.
which ships are the ghost ones here? the ones that jumped out and were destroyed after server agreed, that they jumped out? or the ones that showed up after next dt when server finally recognised that they had jumped out? how they left their pilots behind is anybodyies guess. |
Tyby
Gallente
Nex Exercitus
Raiden. |
Posted - 2010.06.29 08:51:00 - [ 708]
Edited by: Tyby on 29/06/2010 09:10:51 Originally by: arjun
which ships are the ghost ones here?
the ones with missing( destroyed ) fittings; no matter how you look at it, they died and where resurrected latter, there is no doubt about it. now, we can talk about them jumped out or being scrambled and ruberbanded back to sistem, we can talk about lag, nodes,hate,love,nc,sc, whatever, but the missing fittings shows those ships died at some point, then somehow where "phoenixed" after dt |
Lord TGR
Minmatar
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2010.06.29 09:26:00 - [ 709]
Edited by: Lord TGR on 29/06/2010 09:29:58 Originally by: Tyby
Edited by: Tyby on 29/06/2010 09:10:51
Originally by: arjun
which ships are the ghost ones here?
the ones with missing( destroyed ) fittings; no matter how you look at it, they died and where resurrected latter, there is no doubt about it.
now, we can talk about them jumped out or being scrambled and ruberbanded back to sistem, we can talk about lag, nodes,hate,love,nc,sc, whatever, but the missing fittings shows those ships died at some point, then somehow where "phoenixed" after dt
Um. Is this really more important than the cause of all this squabbling, i.e. the servers can't keep consistency under heavy load? If the titans and caps were removed from game, would this help in regaining focus on the fact the servers can't keep consistency under heavy load? What about the fact I just saw a report of 21 guys in local lagging out to a 4 man bombing run? |
Tyby
Gallente
Nex Exercitus
Raiden. |
Posted - 2010.06.29 10:48:00 - [ 710]
Originally by: Lord TGR
Edited by: Lord TGR on 29/06/2010 09:29:58
Originally by: Tyby
Edited by: Tyby on 29/06/2010 09:10:51
Originally by: arjun
which ships are the ghost ones here?
the ones with missing( destroyed ) fittings; no matter how you look at it, they died and where resurrected latter, there is no doubt about it.
now, we can talk about them jumped out or being scrambled and ruberbanded back to sistem, we can talk about lag, nodes,hate,love,nc,sc, whatever, but the missing fittings shows those ships died at some point, then somehow where "phoenixed" after dt
Um. Is this really more important than the cause of all this squabbling, i.e. the servers can't keep consistency under heavy load?
If the titans and caps were removed from game, would this help in regaining focus on the fact the servers can't keep consistency under heavy load?
What about the fact I just saw a report of 21 guys in local lagging out to a 4 man bombing run?
Um. i was just trying to answer that question i was quoting; never said this is "the most" important part of the game, ofc it's not, but let's be honest: lag it's here and there are no signs that the servers are getting any better;  this it's the starting point in any "large fleet br"; also, the second starting point was "don't matter how bad our hamsters react, a dead ship it's a dead ship!". That was the situation from quite a long long time... until now.  ofc, like any other player of eve online i would like to have some nice bug free servers, with manageablelag, but if this it's imposible right now, at least we can ask to be evenly treated by the servers/CCP  |
Le Cardinal
Caldari
Spricer
Raiden. |
Posted - 2010.06.29 12:55:00 - [ 711]
Originally by: Lord TGR
Um. Is this really more important than the cause of all this squabbling, i.e. the servers can't keep consistency under heavy load?
If the titans and caps were removed from game, would this help in regaining focus on the fact the servers can't keep consistency under heavy load?
What about the fact I just saw a report of 21 guys in local lagging out to a 4 man bombing run?
I do agree that the performance of the servers are the most important problem here, but that doesnt take away the fact that those ships died in combat, and that CCP stated that they do not reimburse ships lost in such fights. If this is a change of policy or favourism i dont know, but either way they should reimburse all ship lost under similiar circumstances. H-W anyone? People can squabble all they want about different situations and different problems. But it all comes down to this: The servers dont perform as they should and if NC gets their ships reimbursed because of it, then so should everyone else. End of story. Rest is just attempts to twist the truth to justify all this. So ccp should make up their mind on this matter. Either reimburse ALL ships that have been lost due to servers, or none. Fair or not fair. It affects us all. |
Kushmir
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2010.06.29 13:09:00 - [ 712]
Originally by: Le Cardinal
I do agree that the performance of the servers are the most important problem here, but that doesnt take away the fact that those ships died in combat, and that CCP stated that they do not reimburse ships lost in such fights. If this is a change of policy or favourism i dont know, but either way they should reimburse all ship lost under similiar circumstances. H-W anyone?
People can squabble all they want about different situations and different problems. But it all comes down to this: The servers dont perform as they should and if NC gets their ships reimbursed because of it, then so should everyone else. End of story. Rest is just attempts to twist the truth to justify all this.
So ccp should make up their mind on this matter. Either reimburse ALL ships that have been lost due to servers, or none. Fair or not fair. It affects us all.
CCP didn't reimburse any ships you moron. |
Lord TGR
Minmatar
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2010.06.29 14:33:00 - [ 713]
Originally by: Tyby
Um. i was just trying to answer that question i was quoting; never said this is "the most" important part of the game, ofc it's not, but let's be honest: lag it's here and there are no signs that the servers are getting any better;
I can't help but feel that you're seeing this from your perspective only. As stated previously, there are two possible scenarios which could've occurred here: Scenario 1: The ships shouldn't have be able to cyno out in the first place. Scenario 2: The ships should've been able to cyno out. In the first scenario, you lost out. Not on killing, since you did do that (as the missing modules prove, since they've got unique IDs). In the second scenario, the NC lost out, because they lost modules on their titans/SCs to the account of probably a few billion isk. Didn't they get a ship stolen too? I don't know which should be the scenario to go by for this particular situation, but it doesn't really matter. The NC has (I believe) more than enough supercaps to replace those that were killed in that fight, so they would likely not have noticed much if they were removed. Nor would anyone else notice much, except by having the bragging rights of saying "we killed x titans and they stayed dead". Originally by: Le Cardinal
I do agree that the performance of the servers are the most important problem here, but that doesnt take away the fact that those ships died in combat, and that CCP stated that they do not reimburse ships lost in such fights.
I do find it funny that lots of people keep saying "The performance of the servers is the most important problem", and then go on and on about how the ships were demonstrably killed and "shouldn't be reimbursed". I'm pretty certain that if the NC had gone the popular route and selfdestructed those ships, almost all of you clamoring for their destruction (while saying the server performance problem is important) would quite simply fade away, rubbing your hands in glee over how you've "showed the NC what's what", until the next time there's a huge cap fight and someone else loses ships (and probably saves some in the same manner the NC did), instead of keeping pressure on CCP. Originally by: Le Cardinal
If this is a change of policy or favourism i dont know, but either way they should reimburse all ship lost under similiar circumstances. H-W anyone?
People can squabble all they want about different situations and different problems. But it all comes down to this: The servers dont perform as they should and if NC gets their ships reimbursed because of it, then so should everyone else. End of story. Rest is just attempts to twist the truth to justify all this.
So ccp should make up their mind on this matter. Either reimburse ALL ships that have been lost due to servers, or none. Fair or not fair. It affects us all.
They've been killed "in combat", yes. There are killmails to that effect, but the circumstances around those deaths have been disputed heavily. I'm not going to reiterate this too heavily this time around, apart from saying that if scenario 1 is the case, then the ships should never have been able to "materialize" in the destination system in the first place, and there's a huge problem. If scenario 2 is the case, then the source system didn't recognize (in time) that the ships had indeed cynoed out, and there's a huge problem. As far as the reimbursement bit goes, I believe GMs have clearly said that they did not reimburse them, and I'm inclined to believe that bit simply because of where the ships ended up after DT (that, and the fact it happened to PL a few months back). And yes, the servers aren't performing as they should, but the end result (as far as I see it, anyway) isn't one of "the NC getting their ships reimbursed", but "the servers don't knowing what the **** kind of state the ships are supposed to be in in that specific corner case, so we end up with the cluster**** we have now. |
Tyby
Gallente
Nex Exercitus
Raiden. |
Posted - 2010.06.29 15:16:00 - [ 714]
Edited by: Tyby on 29/06/2010 15:18:10 Quote:
As far as the reimbursement bit goes, I believe GMs have clearly said that they did not reimburse them, and I'm inclined to believe that bit simply because of where the ships ended up after DT (that, and the fact it happened to PL a few months back).
maybe they didn't, but it's gm duty to watch over server and if something weird(yea "more weird" then usuall weird  ) happens(missing items/sp, deleted contracts)...,it's theyr job to take care of those problems. like they did in PL case. doing nothing,not even for the time of the investigation, it's more like " going towards reimbursement" to allot of players. right now,i think most of the ppl are ****ed about the lack of the ccp updates; two weeks later, we don't know nothing. it's not like it's the first time when this "feature" it's happening, so they should be able to "investigate" this case in just few days. so then, why it's been 2 weeks with no updates? is this not important and it's adresed like just an usual "lost ship petition"? or there is something else going on? or it's just me being paranoid? |
Kushmir
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2010.06.29 15:29:00 - [ 715]
Originally by: Tyby
it's theyr job to take care of those problems. like they did in PL case.
CCP didn't do anything in the PL situation, what makes you think they would do something here? |
Tyby
Gallente
Nex Exercitus
Raiden. |
Posted - 2010.06.29 15:35:00 - [ 716]
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Dogs Breath
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:36:00 - [ 717]
Originally by: Kushmir
Originally by: Tyby
it's theyr job to take care of those problems. like they did in PL case.
CCP didn't do anything in the PL situation, what makes you think they would do something here?
As they have done it before. What makes you think they won't? |
Le Cardinal
Caldari
Spricer
Raiden. |
Posted - 2010.06.29 15:39:00 - [ 718]
Originally by: Kushmir
CCP didn't reimburse any ships you moron.
Kushmir Amarr Goonswarm   |
David Goodwill
Caldari
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation |
Posted - 2010.06.29 18:31:00 - [ 719]
Considering DICE are regarded to be one of the most racist corps in eve I don't really see what you are getting at.
Especially since you are replying to a well written and thought out stance with a meme. |
Orree
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2010.06.29 20:39:00 - [ 720]
Originally by: Marlona Sky
Originally by: Kikki Di'je
Originally by: Marlona Sky
How quickly once elected some CSM delegates turn their back on the community.
Someones bitter...how about you take that deep breath and step away from the keyboard. You are far from anyone important to be demanding anything.
Stop crying already, makes Evil Thug's emo rage look like Barney in comparison.
I just want some answers. But please alt, keep saying every response I do is mad or emo or bitter or whatever makes you happy.
I want to believe that's true, but I can't shake the thought that if it truly were true, you would likely show a lot less bias and editorialize a lot less. *shrug* |
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