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Flikoo
Gallente
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:42:00 - [451]
 

tldr; lag sucks lag sucks screw CCP wtf titans respawned

If you're going to ***** about lag, then come show up to the mass testing events so CCP can have an easier time fixing that ****.

Kuar Z'thain
Caldari
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:44:00 - [452]
 

Originally by: Flikoo
If you're going to ***** about lag, then come show up to the mass testing events so CCP can have an easier time fixing that ****.

LadyScarlet
Minmatar
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:45:00 - [453]
 

lol, I wont apologies for questioning suspicious activity's in eve by anyone. And more so by anyone wearing a official tag that represents the people of eve. If im wrong im wrong how ever if the tables were reversed im sure there be no difference in the questions prob just 500 pages longer and a hell a lot more accusations. At the end of the day IF CCP fixes the game and fair play for all then my job is done.

Lady :)

Bismaru RELOADED
Amarr
DEVIL'S SOULDEAD SS
Circle of Steel
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:49:00 - [454]
 

Edited by: Bismaru RELOADED on 18/06/2010 15:51:10
Originally by: Fred0
Well atleast we got clarification that what we said has been true.



That not entirely true,..

'90% of our caps and supercaps'

WN Boarded supercaps and supercaps were given back to NC via petitions,..

Bet is made, by default the bet didnt stand due to it being on the grounds that

Originally by: Vuk Lau
[.]we got 90% of our caps and supercaps[.]


Screenshot of Titan in space is made,.. Showing nothing unusual just an avatar on scan OMG SHOCKING,..

GM replies DOESNT confirm what was in space,..

Bet shouldnt stand as it was made on the grounds that 90% was returned, its impossible to verify and even if its true GMs taking them away changes everything,..

So really Fred0 what exactly did you guys say and what was true, I know I am branded an old MIA troll but really linking quotes from Vuk himself contradicting himself over and over as well as you is the only thing thats been consistent in this whole thing,..

While im at it, theres alot of unusual things unanswered still, like why a GM intervened (assuming WN got hold of the titan(s) first, returned the ghost ship instead of removing it,..

I am eager to see these petitions made about WN having the titans,..

Lord TGR
Minmatar
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:51:00 - [455]
 

Originally by: LadyScarlet
http://mindriot.as/clownit.png


Image changed to link. Navigator

Vladic Ka
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:57:00 - [456]
 

How many 100's billions do you win vuk?

JS LiamElms
Gallente
Zor Industries
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.06.18 16:00:00 - [457]
 

from what i can tell,

those ships that are actually found in space were infact jumped out intime.

The problem being the server load never pulled them out of the source system and thus they died. However, as the server processed the data and caught up with the actions, said caps/supercaps that had jumped out were spawned were they should have been.....

not supporting either side here, just saying what must have happened logically. looking back at the PL situation, that logged out there titans and never found any of those respawning, however found many other caps spawning.

and from the reports of people claiming they had jumped out.... you must draw a logical conclusion rather than screaming hax... and chest beating, or jumping on a bandwaggon, or the fav one of MOOORREEE TEARS and other pointless retorts.

Fred0
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.18 16:03:00 - [458]
 

Originally by: Bismaru RELOADED
Originally by: Fred0
Well atleast we got clarification that what we said has been true.



That not entirely true,..

'90% of our caps and supercaps'

WN Boarded supercaps and supercaps were given back to NC via petitions,..

Bet is made, by default the bet didnt stand due to it being on the grounds that

Originally by: Vuk Lau
[.]we got 90% of our caps and supercaps[.]


Screenshot of Titan in space is made,.. Showing nothing unusual just an avatar on scan OMG SHOCKING,..

GM replies DOESNT confirm what was in space,..

Bet shouldnt stand as it was made on the grounds that 90% was returned, its impossible to verify and even if its true GMs taking them away changes everything,..

So really Fred0 what exactly did you guys say and what was true, I know I am branded an old MIA troll but really linking quotes from Vuk himself contradicting himself over and over as well as you is the only thing thats been consistent in this whole thing,..

While im at it, theres alot of unusual things unanswered still, like why a GM intervened (assuming WN got hold of the titan(s) first, returned the ghost ship instead of removing it,..

I am eager to see these petitions made about WN having the titans,..


That 90% figure is useless pretty much. We've explained countless times exactly how this works and that what we found where the ones that jumped out correctly, loaded in the new system, logged off, respawned wrongly in 6nj. Those caps and supercaps respawned again in the exit cyno system post DT.

When this happened there were loads of rumours and **** going round. Trolling etc. Now when the dust has cleared we know that this has happened and been petitioned before just like we did yesterday. We also know for a fact that there is a problem with buggy code/database issues which allows ships to jump between systems and both die and still be in space. It's quite likely a judgement call on whether the ship should be dead or alive but imho the first bug is that the ship reappears in the fight system. Imho this bug we've experienced is two wrongs that does indeed make a right. The first GM ruling against PL seems agree with that.

The WN petition thingy I actually don't know if happened but it should be pretty straightforward. The ship should belong to the pilot that was in it originally, it was highly unlikely the WN guy would return it and as such it was seized and given to it's correct, albeit disputable owner.

zljuka
Caldari
Dark Voodoo Cult
Red Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.18 16:05:00 - [459]
 

Mass testing will take place this Tuesday, June 22, at 20:00 UTC

we shall help CCP, lags are becoming not simply embarecing, they start to destroy the game

Josiphine Noir
Amarr
Pelican.
Veneratio Venator Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.18 16:05:00 - [460]
 

So can I assume that everyone who is calling for these ships to be removed from the game would themselves just self destruct those ships if they were in the same situation?

Bismaru RELOADED
Amarr
DEVIL'S SOULDEAD SS
Circle of Steel
Posted - 2010.06.18 16:10:00 - [461]
 

Another black mark on NC tbh,..

While there is alot yet to be explained in this titan drama, like why GMs were so quick to return dead titans to NC and why these ships are still live and active, theres just so much thats happened in the past that makes NCs history quite comical,..

I would like to remind everyone that this isnt the first unusual situation, the NC moon goo exploit which went 'unnoticed' for years and was only brought to light when NC didnt enjoy the exploiting competition, in the end it only got 2 people banned (most likely temp banned),..

Not only that Vuk Lau has openly on several occasions (even in this thread) openly announced to having some sort of elite way into getting his views across / noticed to the point where he has some control over actions in the game,..

NC generally use this lag drama to their advantage and the first time it backfire they magically get titans spawned and within minutes get them returned from enemies VIA PETITIONS,..

I strongly urge internal affairs to look into NC, elite connections and the true affiliations between certain GMs and certain members of NC starting with Vuk Lau,..

I am sure if this was an SC situation there would be a whole lot of flame going on right now, I understand Rawr are not allowed to post as Vuk "will deal with this himself",..

tldr - its good to be back LaughingLaughing

Shinma Apollo
Caldari
BURN EDEN
Posted - 2010.06.18 16:13:00 - [462]
 

Originally by: Deki
Edited by: Deki on 18/06/2010 15:39:49
Edited by: Deki on 18/06/2010 15:39:13
Originally by: Midge Mo'yb
Originally by: GM Grimmi
During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation – the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.



well in this case at the very least the "duplicated assets" should be seized untill the investigation is complete. then dealt with appropriately


Or killmails should be removed cause those ships were never killed?

Btw LadyScarlet I expect you apologize for calling me a liar.
Also all the guys who wanted to bet on me trolling pls send isk to Vuk Lau if you have any e-honour.

On more serious note, this is the reason why I started whole this drama

Originally by: Vuk Lau
Only way to bring this huge problematic issue to CCP is to give it public attention. I could be a ***** as many were before who experienced the same spawning of dead caps, and not to risk possible losing all the caps and supercaps we found. I cant say how thankful I am to CCP for making this awesome game, but also I despise their policy of "put problem under the rag" or "stay silent **** while **** calms on its own" If I didnt smacked this on CAOD and awaken all the trolls of New Eden, this would most likely go unnoticed. At the end of the day, most important things in EVE are my friends and ppl I play with. God knows I lost so many of them cause they stopped playing due to EVE being horribly buggy. I know I may sound :whiteknight: but I have given opportunity to try and change things in EVE, and be sure I will use it. Bitter ppl call me biased, but anyone who really knows me, is aware that pure ****. We cant allow this to just be ignored by CCP.


Now with people from both sides massively petition this ****up, also lot of them canceling accounts, CSM will maybe get a proper answer on the issue of TQ being crap, during Iceland summit. Most of you guys who said we would most likely get "Yes, we are working on it" response from CCP are right. But I dare CCP to ignore their massive failures with Dominion and Tyrannis and making 0.0 completely unplayable, after all this attention.

I hope for the sake of all of us, that CCP will reevaluate their politics of dumping unfinished and buggy expansion and focus on fixing all the content they pumped into EVE for all this years. Sadly, despite me being optimistic, as long as their subscriber numbers are raising, they probably wont, but I cant sit and do nothing, while all of us are loosing nerves and time cause game is unplayable.

I am sorry for all the nontrolls and nonsmackers who went emo because of this. Sadly we are all suffering from this, sometimes one side, sometimes other side, and sometimes both sides, but as long we are swallowing current condition of the servers CCP will not prioritize fixing it.

Vuk Lau (sadly Vuk Lau account is permabanned from EVE-O so no more sexy CSM tag by my posts) :D





MY CEO, BEST CEO

Fred0
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.18 16:22:00 - [463]
 

Edited by: Fred0 on 18/06/2010 16:24:02
Originally by: Bismaru RELOADED
Another black mark on NC tbh,..



lol dude, you have to be the most bitter eve-alt I have ever heard about. You can't get any more biased or ******ed than you dude.

I think you even have snotshot and windypops beat tbfh.

NC DamageControl
Caldari
Stellar Convertors
Posted - 2010.06.18 16:48:00 - [464]
 

Originally by: Fred0
Edited by: Fred0 on 18/06/2010 16:24:02
Originally by: Bismaru RELOADED
Another black mark on NC tbh,..



lol dude, you have to be the most bitter eve-alt I have ever heard about. You can't get any more biased or ******ed than you dude.

I think you even have snotshot and windypops beat tbfh.


Don't be so hard on yourself. And where's Vuk? Are you the new Damage Control in here?

Muad' Dib
Gallente
PWNED FACTOR HOLDINGS
Posted - 2010.06.18 16:55:00 - [465]
 

Originally by: Josiphine Noir
So can I assume that everyone who is calling for these ships to be removed from the game would themselves just self destruct those ships if they were in the same situation?


Why SD, when they should be removed by GM's ?

Xynosura
Caldari
Rim Collection Productions
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.06.18 17:09:00 - [466]
 

Originally by: Bismaru RELOADED
...why GMs were so quick to return dead titans to NC and why these ships are still live and active


I have a hard time figuring out if you're a terrible troll or failed your English test and reading comprehension. Rolling Eyes

Josiphine Noir
Amarr
Pelican.
Veneratio Venator Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.18 17:12:00 - [467]
 

Originally by: Muad' Dib
Originally by: Josiphine Noir
So can I assume that everyone who is calling for these ships to be removed from the game would themselves just self destruct those ships if they were in the same situation?


Why SD, when they should be removed by GM's ?


Well that would require them to actually tell a GM that this happened, but why waste thier time petitioning to have your ships taken away when clearly it would be more honorable to self destruct it because you knew it already got killed and have the lossmail to prove it?

IronGoldenEagle
Caldari
The New Era
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2010.06.18 17:12:00 - [468]
 

Those who bet, pay up!

LoL at the bitter alits in here crying about CCP being biased, sorry guys but none of you are kugu 2.0

Robert Ger
Caldari
WEPRA CORP
White Noise.
Posted - 2010.06.18 17:30:00 - [469]
 

Hello Eve online, my name is robert ger... i try in englisch to explain, as i

yestorday logged in in this alt/main what ever, spoke Imperian about the

fight, i have loggs pictures etc ... and im know what rlly happend.

first : TS , some dudes have ts record, i dont, but im alrdy hear about the

sense, and there was order after jump, with black screen to relogg!

two : replaced **** ? not rly or ?
imperian told me tehre were ghost ships, and they have all stuff back, only

"destroyed" items were unrecorvable...
so imperian had that destroyed wyvren from mr Kidrob, he poastet me a image

link where he seat in wyvren that have only small ammount of fittet items
here picture link:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4069/4710014352_0d36895888_b.jpg
and here KB link:
http://www.eve-co2.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=59927

looks smillar right ? :)

here chatlog:
[ 2010.06.17 19:37:40 ] Robert Ger > so ein pech nur 2 ?
[ 2010.06.17 19:38:07 ] Imperian > keine ahnung ehrlich gesagt, da waren so

viele titans nach der downtime in a-a
[ 2010.06.17 19:38:21 ] Imperian > wir haben einfach alle genommen und

erstmal safe gebracht
[ 2010.06.17 19:38:27 ] Imperian > ich sitze in kidrobs wyvern :P
[ 2010.06.17 19:38:59 ] Robert Ger > lolz
[ 2010.06.17 19:39:17 ] Imperian > da fehlen genau die module, die auf der

killmail als destroyed sind
[ 2010.06.17 19:39:27 ] Robert Ger > jo genau
.....
[ 2010.06.17 19:39:48 ] Imperian > glaubst mir nicht ?
[ 2010.06.17 19:40:10 ] Wrik Hoover > hi
[ 2010.06.17 19:40:46 ] Imperian >

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4069/4710014352_0d36895888_b.jpg
[ 2010.06.17 19:41:32 ] Wrik Hoover > lächerlich
[ 2010.06.17 19:41:48 ] Robert Ger > klor
[ 2010.06.17 19:42:03 ] Robert Ger > hst eher 20 davon ^^
[ 2010.06.17 19:42:06 ] Imperian > hehe
[ 2010.06.17 19:42:18 ] Imperian > der wird sich freuen wenn er heim kommt
[ 2010.06.17 19:42:31 ] Imperian > der hat sich schon sorgen gemacht, dass

er sich keine neue leisten kann
[ 2010.06.17 19:42:33 ] Robert Ger > ich glaub ich mach das auch mega

petition wo ich überall im lagg schiffe verliere petentioniere ich es
[ 2010.06.17 19:42:42 ] Robert Ger > soll er doch minern gehen ^^
[ 2010.06.17 19:42:49 ] Imperian > das hat nichts mit petition zu tun
[ 2010.06.17 19:42:56 ] Imperian > die caps sind gestern aus 6nj

rausgesprungen

so im think the true story are:
im try to explain it_
server side, the ships was destroyed, but have ben copied ? maybe, so thy got copied by bug to jump dest as destroyed ships, because:!
isk for loss got paid, ships was only with not destroyed modules in a-a

there some guy named ione sky, or limu bay same actor talking much dumb things on german forums, just crap
he is telling we shot GHOST SHIPS Lol, if u do a fleetfight in lagg u know when ships a) destroyed b) jumped, yea u see the ghost ships, but U CANNT TARGET IT ANYMORE..

so discuss pls

srry for englisch , and more hate




Muad' Dib
Gallente
PWNED FACTOR HOLDINGS
Posted - 2010.06.18 17:33:00 - [470]
 

Originally by: Josiphine Noir
Originally by: Muad' Dib
Originally by: Josiphine Noir
So can I assume that everyone who is calling for these ships to be removed from the game would themselves just self destruct those ships if they were in the same situation?


Why SD, when they should be removed by GM's ?


Well that would require them to actually tell a GM that this happened, but why waste thier time petitioning to have your ships taken away when clearly it would be more honorable to self destruct it because you knew it already got killed and have the lossmail to prove it?


I see you don't understand game mechanics that well.

Gertrud ToD
Minmatar
Terrorists of Dimensions
Electric Monkey Overlords
Posted - 2010.06.18 17:37:00 - [471]
 

something that i find really amazing:
when the northern campaign website did not include the russians etc.
NC was whining alot about them not being counted to SC.
a while later they where added to that website, NC, in the total history still didnt score the major points/isk/whatever.

now the russians score a major victory, and NC is telling SC people that
they shouldnt be posting here since this would be a russian only victory..

seriously NC, make up your mind.

Mistress Suffering
Amarr
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2010.06.18 17:38:00 - [472]
 

Edited by: Mistress Suffering on 18/06/2010 17:39:10
*edit* reading comprehension ftw

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2010.06.18 17:38:00 - [473]
 

GM confirmed ships were 'destroyed'.

CCP are not known to be knee jerk reactionaries, this is why I pay to play.

Looks like the verdict has been arrived at, we're just awaiting them tracking down all items relevant to the case and we can expect it all to be 'corrected'.


Ilsea
Minmatar
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.06.18 17:43:00 - [474]
 

Originally by: Spurty
GM confirmed ships were 'destroyed'.

CCP are not known to be knee jerk reactionaries, this is why I pay to play.

Looks like the verdict has been arrived at, we're just awaiting them tracking down all items relevant to the case and we can expect it all to be 'corrected'.




CCP confirmed that killmails where made. How many supercaps have been killed confirmed and the pilot has them due to a rollback from server crashes. That doesn't mean **** toward ccp removing the ships from the nc. Simple fact is ccp noticed a **** up and might actually look into it this time rather then blowing it off.

IronGoldenEagle
Caldari
The New Era
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2010.06.18 17:44:00 - [475]
 

Originally by: Gertrud ToD
something that i find really amazing:
when the northern campaign website did not include the russians etc.
NC was whining alot about them not being counted to SC.
a while later they where added to that website, NC, in the total history still didnt score the major points/isk/whatever.

now the russians score a major victory, and NC is telling SC people that
they shouldnt be posting here since this would be a russian only victory..

seriously NC, make up your mind.


That was when they were ALL attacking. Now it's JUST the russians.

Tiger's Spirit
Caldari
Troll Hunters INC.
Posted - 2010.06.18 17:45:00 - [476]
 

Originally by: Metal Dude
Edited by: Metal Dude on 18/06/2010 14:08:32

Originally by: Fred0
Neither of them are unique since both has happened before. Just not on this scale.



No. It only happened before to PL and now NC. It never happened to anyone else in EVE.



Please give an answer to me.
Anything else lost titans with gridload error ? NO. PLs did because IT played to gridloadbug. Man try to playing with balls and try to fight and do not just search the exploits, lagbubbles and other server errors.

Anything elso lost titan when jumped out from system and killed after jump 2 hours later ? NO
You will crying when you lost your titan in the battle system when you jumped out from there and flying alone in an another system ? I think you would make it then too.

So just stfu and using your brain.

Marlona Sky
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.06.18 17:52:00 - [477]
 

Wasn't the original purpose of the CSM when it was first incarnated to keep checks on such things so there is no more things ala T20 scandal stuff.

I am sure the CSM will rise to the occasion and have an unbiased approach to this new development.

Wait... isn't Vuk on the CSM?... oh shi..

baltec1
Caldari
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.06.18 17:53:00 - [478]
 

So technically does this mean the NC have/will/might end up losing 12 titans?

Tyby
Gallente
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.06.18 17:53:00 - [479]
 

Originally by: Tiger's Spirit



So just stfu and using your brain.

Eklykti
Caldari
Zion foundation
Red Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.18 17:54:00 - [480]
 

Originally by: GM Grimmi
During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation – the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.
Hi CCP, did you ever heard about a database feature called "Transactions"?

OK, I hope you know about it and work on it already, and you'll remove all the illegally duplicated items (killmails show that they are destroyed, right? And you reimbursement policy is to not reimburse ships destroyed during a fleet fight).


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