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ElrondMD
Caldari
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.06.18 10:11:00 - [421]
 

We would like to thank the members of IT, ex members of IT and Viper Shizzle for taking such an active and passionate interest in the actions of others. Its really heart warming to see people who have absolutely no input into events putting forward their expert opinions.


The events of the last few days have been..confusing. We do not know how everything will pan out eventually but continued conjecture about some grand NC propaganda campaign is just childish. There is precedence in regards to heavy lag and session changes producing weird results.


We look forward to CCP taking these events into hand and continuing to try and improve game play for the benefit of all.

Once again, congratulations to the Russians for amassing such a force and coming out on top amidst such horrible server instability. For those who have no business gloating, you are only embarrassing yourselves as your very presence in these discussions only highlights your lack of comparable achievement..

BFF

Tung Yoggi
Gallente
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.06.18 10:16:00 - [422]
 

Originally by: Rover Vitesse
Originally by: Lofe sXe
Edited by: Lofe sXe on 17/06/2010 20:02:11
funny fact that the only guys that seems butthurted are the IT guys that also have nothing to do with this battle.

pls, never stop posting IT guys - you may have lost MAX1 and MAX2 but you are clearly winning the caod war.


funny fact that the only guys that seems to be butthurted are the PL guys that also have nothing to do with this bttle.

pls, never stop posting PL guys - you may have lost an entire region in less time than it takes me to change my underwear but you are clearly winning the Risk Free PvP War.

Before you ask, and it can be confirmed on TS as well, yes, I am mad. :twisted:


'Risk free PVP' is a strange concept, especially thrown by someone from a internetspaceholding alliance who has lots of steady sources of income, and heavy industrial capabilities to replace any ship in time.

Everyone risks something in Eve when it comes to PVP. Would it be morale, space, assets, isk, RL money (GTC or RMT)... You can mitigate the risk, you can never make it disappear, fortunately.

gala gidas
Amarr
Parental Control
HELL4S
Posted - 2010.06.18 10:25:00 - [423]
 

Originally by: Julia Ginzinger

Killing ships when they are bubbled is fine, but when ships should be safe and should be able to jump out, but aren't jumping out due to terrible coding on ccp's part is a whole different ball game.


This.
If those supercaps were tackled then the kill is a kill.The fact that the ships spawned or not somewhere else is irrelevant since i dont think that NC has a problem replacing the losses,even if some time is required for this.So this thread should stay on topic.The fact that W.N and the rest did a great hotdrop to a superior force.I dont know and maybe noone will know how many supercaps died or should have died due to lag but waving your middle finger to a superior force is what makes this battle so great imo.
All the rest are bitter trolling from the losing side or even more bitter trolling from those that are opponents of the NC and didnt managed for one reason or another to do something spectacular like this

Lee ChanKa
Minmatar
WEPRA CORP
White Noise.
Posted - 2010.06.18 10:31:00 - [424]
 

Vuk is GM Gandalf WAKE UP PPL! I CAN SWEAR HE SPAWN ME COUPLE OFFICERS IN VENAL FOR PROOF I HAVE TAGS!

who don't thrust me i put 100 mil in 3th part secure Ewqilibrium wallet

Vuce spawn me oficira u curse pls..nov sam ovde pa da dobijem jedno 5 bila..Twisted Evil

Ath'daru
Minmatar
Jazz Associates
Imajiaca
Posted - 2010.06.18 10:48:00 - [425]
 

Originally by: Lee ChanKa
Vuk is GM Gandalf WAKE UP PPL! I CAN SWEAR HE SPAWN ME COUPLE OFFICERS IN VENAL FOR PROOF I HAVE TAGS!

who don't thrust me i put 100 mil in 3th part secure Ewqilibrium wallet

Vuce spawn me oficira u curse pls..nov sam ovde pa da dobijem jedno 5 bila..Twisted Evil



I can be third part. ATM I'm good for 2.000B ISK. Send ISK ingame.

SirDynty
Gallente
Boiians
White Angels.
Posted - 2010.06.18 11:27:00 - [426]
 

aliance and drama and all,but if its true,that you got your titans back,even as and nonfator/renter/pet,i am going to make petition about every single frigate and Iteron i lost when i got that weird "Session change already in progress" message on a gate,and unable to do anything when some red killed me and laughed afterwards.

It reminds me old good Ultima Online freeshards where GMs spawned imba bows for their PK friends,not A++ paid MMO in 2010

SFX Bladerunner
Minmatar
Aperture Science inc.
Posted - 2010.06.18 11:36:00 - [427]
 

H-W SC failcascade: 2 threads, one 5 pages one 6 pages.
6NJ NC failcascade: 1 thread, 15 pages.
Irony overload: priceless.


Rinala
Gallente
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.06.18 11:55:00 - [428]
 

I normally stay away from the COAD peanut gallery but I have to say...

Looking at things from the sidelines, I applaud Mr. Vuk on the awesome thread posts. Incredibly turned a monumental victory around into a questionable one. Now I understand why someone posted that people were threatened to be kicked out of their corp/alliance/car pool buddy programs if they posted anything on the forums about the loss.

Must say well played sir well played...

Even going as far as putting up 100bil to bet against anyone who may doubt it, WOW!

I really have enjoyed this thread!

10/10

Dograzor
Gallente
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
Posted - 2010.06.18 12:58:00 - [429]
 

Originally by: Mavrixx

I was playing WOW this morning, was just about to fight the Lich King when a pilot-less titan suddenly appeared out of no where.

Will return to rightful owner for the right reward.

Call 800-SPIN-MOR for details.


Confirming this to be the best post in the thread.

10/10

Bismaru RELOADED
Amarr
DEVIL'S SOULDEAD SS
Circle of Steel
Posted - 2010.06.18 13:24:00 - [430]
 

Edited by: Bismaru RELOADED on 18/06/2010 13:25:50
Originally by: Vuk Lau
bh I dont care if trolls believe me or not, tho I must admit I am enjoying the tears.

The main reason why we went public with this is cause this is not the lonely case. Ships reappearing after being killed under questionable conditions happened on more then dozen other occasions.

CCP MUST issue official statement on this matter. Till now they just stayed silent cause its more convenient for them. That must STOP.


I offered 100 bil on CAOD to anyone who wants to prove that I am trolling. The problem is all evidences can be faked, so only way to this bet is to go, is to deposit isk with Chribba or Darknesss (I am depositing 100 bil for every bet ofc) and it will stay there for some predetermined amount of time (lets say 2-3 weeks) until CCP gives official explanation what happened.


Just for the reference I have logs, screenshots, ship IDs etc. but as I said it can all be faked.

Anyway, its a summer time, and tbh we should all spread love instead of hate. I will not post anymore, and hopefully CCP will give official report on the issue.

All the guys who still wants to put a bet (even smaller then 100 bil), if you agree that only valid proof is official CCP statement, evemail me after you deposit isk to Chribba or Darknesss.


I will use this opportunity to invite everyone to NC Blob (ignore closed signups) in Germany from 16th to 18th July, to experience some BFF love, or just to smack me in RL
Northern Coalition BBQ

:enabling CAOD ban on myself: Sad


Your proof yesterday was a GM reply saying you qualified for a reimbursement, sadly they executed it wrong and it ended up in someone elses hands which is where you petitioned AGAIN and got the titan back,..

Your story changes over and over, its like the time NC exploited with moon minerals the inconsistency in the replies / posts from you especially were awful,..

Not to mention the more recent drama of the 'shared' account in game theft,..

Either NC are getting special treatment (right now theres nothing to say they arent) or you are are a pro troll,..

edit - I would attend the magical NC RL blobfest but I cant hide behind my alt in RL, any tips on what todo?,.. Laughing

Tiger's Spirit
Caldari
Troll Hunters INC.
Posted - 2010.06.18 13:32:00 - [431]
 

Originally by: Tung Yoggi

'Risk free PVP' is a strange concept, especially thrown by someone from a internetspaceholding alliance who has lots of steady sources of income, and heavy industrial capabilities to replace any ship in time.

Everyone risks something in Eve when it comes to PVP. Would it be morale, space, assets, isk, RL money (GTC or RMT)... You can mitigate the risk, you can never make it disappear, fortunately.


My dreams, when i can destroying your station and all stuff what u have there destroying too with station.
What we have now ? We cant destroy any station, so this is the best risk free pvp in Eve. :D

Fred0
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.18 13:58:00 - [432]
 

Edited by: Fred0 on 18/06/2010 14:01:09
Originally by: Bismaru RELOADED
Your proof yesterday was a GM reply saying you qualified for a reimbursement.


Jesus. Everybody has trolled people about reimbursement. We did that before DT yesterday even. It's a standard troll after a big caploss. And unfortunately people will keep trolling about this. It's just too good an opportunity not to. :)

So just as you have with the other side, you have to pick your sources. And if you do the story has been remarkably consistent lately, I would say as soon as this turned serious and they spawned and we understood partly what the **** had happened atleast the ones that know have had the same story. This is a huge ****up by the ccp gamecode and it consists of two parts. One during the fight and one around DT the day after. Neither of them are unique since both has happened before. Just not on this scale.

EDIT: With that said I understand it must be hard to pick up the thruth through all the ****ing static and moronic statements from both sides that just blurs everything. That's why we just have to wait for ccp to release a statement, which I really hope that they will. And that this statement be exhaustive and not bit by bit giving as little as possible as it was with t20.

Metal Dude
Gallente
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.06.18 14:08:00 - [433]
 

Edited by: Metal Dude on 18/06/2010 14:08:32

Originally by: Fred0
Neither of them are unique since both has happened before. Just not on this scale.



No. It only happened before to PL and now NC. It never happened to anyone else in EVE.

G00dWin
Amarr
Red Rodgers.
White Noise.
Posted - 2010.06.18 14:40:00 - [434]
 

Where is my 100 bil? or it was just trolling?

IronGoldenEagle
Caldari
The New Era
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2010.06.18 14:41:00 - [435]
 

Originally by: Metal Dude
Edited by: Metal Dude on 18/06/2010 14:08:32

Originally by: Fred0
Neither of them are unique since both has happened before. Just not on this scale.



No. It only happened before to PL and now NC. It never happened to anyone else in EVE.



You have trouble understanding english again?

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:00:00 - [436]
 

Originally by: IronGoldenEagle
Originally by: Metal Dude
Edited by: Metal Dude on 18/06/2010 14:08:32

Originally by: Fred0
Neither of them are unique since both has happened before. Just not on this scale.



No. It only happened before to PL and now NC. It never happened to anyone else in EVE.



You have trouble understanding english again?


Experts are calling this 'Troll fisherman Catches Fish ^----^ this big'.

Rhaegor Stormborn
Minmatar
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:11:00 - [437]
 

NC gets suprise butt sexed without lube and then makes up stories of magical reimbursements as a sort of damage control.

Classic.

GM Grimmi


Gallente
Game Masters
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:11:00 - [438]
 

During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.

Battiskaff
Amarr
Big Guns Inc.
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:14:00 - [439]
 

:)

Kuar Z'thain
Caldari
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:15:00 - [440]
 

Yup, nothing but NC spin. Rolling Eyes

Thanks GM.

Midge Mo'yb
Caldari
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:20:00 - [441]
 

Originally by: GM Grimmi
During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.



well in this case at the very least the "duplicated assets" should be seized untill the investigation is complete. then dealt with appropriately

Cerias Shadows
Gallente
Battlestars
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:20:00 - [442]
 

So I take it that means Vuk wins that bet... But the GM's could possibly take the ships back? Anyone take the bet officially? That could cover the cost of a Titan!

Musical Fist
Gallente
NAP Coalition
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:24:00 - [443]
 

Originally by: Cerias Shadows
So I take it that means Vuk wins that bet... But the GM's could possibly take the ships back? Anyone take the bet officially? That could cover the cost of a Titan!


Who really cares about the bet, the guy betting against Vuk was probably his spy alt anyway

Finally a GM response though, dont get too attached to those super caps NC you will be losing them AGAIN!! LaughingLaughing

Kuar Z'thain
Caldari
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:26:00 - [444]
 

Originally by: Midge Mo'yb
Originally by: GM Grimmi
During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.



well in this case at the very least the "duplicated assets" should be seized untill the investigation is complete. then dealt with appropriately

Maybe the ones that died were the duplicates. What then? Don't sell that loot yet. Wink

Forlani Tristania
Gallente
Feral Tendency
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:26:00 - [445]
 

Originally by: Cerias Shadows
So I take it that means Vuk wins that bet... But the GM's could possibly take the ships back? Anyone take the bet officially? That could cover the cost of a Titan!


Yea, I have to say that I thought this might be an epic NC troll, but that GM response has me thinking that their code may have burped out some ghost ships indeed. That would make Vuk the winner, right?

Midge Mo'yb
Caldari
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:30:00 - [446]
 

Originally by: Kuar Z'thain
Originally by: Midge Mo'yb
Originally by: GM Grimmi
During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.



well in this case at the very least the "duplicated assets" should be seized untill the investigation is complete. then dealt with appropriately

Maybe the ones that died were the duplicates. What then? Don't sell that loot yet. Wink


i got no loot :P
fine by me seize the lot...

LadyScarlet
Minmatar
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:31:00 - [447]
 

Originally by: GM Grimmi
During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.



Will those ships be removed by game masters since kill mails were generated in game and each ship has a individual id and can be traced through the code?

Fred0
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:35:00 - [448]
 

Edited by: Fred0 on 18/06/2010 15:40:31

Well atleast we got clarification that what we said is true. I just hope you bring more and real good information CCP. I couldn't care less what happens with the titans and motherships even if PL got to keep theirs. Just sort this and do it good with openness and what's best for the server long term.

Kra Torii
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:37:00 - [449]
 

Originally by: LadyScarlet
Originally by: GM Grimmi
During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.



Will those ships be removed by game masters since kill mails were generated in game and each ship has a individual id and can be traced through the code?



I think you're mad.

Would you like a Twinkie to calm you down?

Deki
Minmatar
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.06.18 15:38:00 - [450]
 

Edited by: Deki on 18/06/2010 15:39:49
Edited by: Deki on 18/06/2010 15:39:13
Originally by: Midge Mo'yb
Originally by: GM Grimmi
During the fleet-battle in 6NJ8-V on June 16th server performance was adversely affected by load issues. One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. We want to clarify that this was due to database issues, which are still under investigation the ships were NOT returned by GameMasters. This matter is still being investigated and further information will be forthcoming when available.



well in this case at the very least the "duplicated assets" should be seized untill the investigation is complete. then dealt with appropriately


Or killmails should be removed cause those ships were never killed?

Btw LadyScarlet I expect you apologize for calling me a liar.
Also all the guys who wanted to bet on me trolling pls send isk to Vuk Lau if you have any e-honour.

On more serious note, this is the reason why I started whole this drama

Originally by: Vuk Lau
Only way to bring this huge problematic issue to CCP is to give it public attention. I could be a ***** as many were before who experienced the same spawning of dead caps, and not to risk possible losing all the caps and supercaps we found. I cant say how thankful I am to CCP for making this awesome game, but also I despise their policy of "put problem under the rag" or "stay silent **** while **** calms on its own" If I didnt smacked this on CAOD and awaken all the trolls of New Eden, this would most likely go unnoticed. At the end of the day, most important things in EVE are my friends and ppl I play with. God knows I lost so many of them cause they stopped playing due to EVE being horribly buggy. I know I may sound :whiteknight: but I have given opportunity to try and change things in EVE, and be sure I will use it. Bitter ppl call me biased, but anyone who really knows me, is aware that pure ****. We cant allow this to just be ignored by CCP.


Now with people from both sides massively petition this ****up, also lot of them canceling accounts, CSM will maybe get a proper answer on the issue of TQ being crap, during Iceland summit. Most of you guys who said we would most likely get "Yes, we are working on it" response from CCP are right. But I dare CCP to ignore their massive failures with Dominion and Tyrannis and making 0.0 completely unplayable, after all this attention.

I hope for the sake of all of us, that CCP will reevaluate their politics of dumping unfinished and buggy expansion and focus on fixing all the content they pumped into EVE for all this years. Sadly, despite me being optimistic, as long as their subscriber numbers are raising, they probably wont, but I cant sit and do nothing, while all of us are loosing nerves and time cause game is unplayable.

I am sorry for all the nontrolls and nonsmackers who went emo because of this. Sadly we are all suffering from this, sometimes one side, sometimes other side, and sometimes both sides, but as long we are swallowing current condition of the servers CCP will not prioritize fixing it.

Vuk Lau (sadly Vuk Lau account is permabanned from EVE-O so no more sexy CSM tag by my posts) :D




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