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IronGoldenEagle
Caldari
The New Era
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2010.06.17 20:19:00 - [361]
 

Originally by: Musical Fist
Originally by: Lofe sXe
funny fact that the only guys that seems butthurted are the IT guys that also have nothing to do with this battle


and the PL guys who feel left out because they will never have space

snipah too


Yeah cuz they clearly not enjoying the game without it. Poor PL Rolling Eyes

Fred0
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.17 20:19:00 - [362]
 

Vuk, any isk you earn by bets is to be shared. We lost titans too remember ;)

DarkPiper
Gallente
Dark Reiters
Rebellion Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.17 20:20:00 - [363]
 

Also im looking for G00dwin because of duel.


w0rmy
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.06.17 20:28:00 - [364]
 

Originally by: Cerlestes
Originally by: Marlona Sky

NC, what is wrong with your kill board?


Back in the times of MAX, the killboard was the most accurate, since it feeded not only directly from over 20 boards, both hostile and friendly, but also from the API.




Originally by: MrRx7

Originally by: Marlona Sky
Razor, why would you remove API verified kills from the NC kill board?


Perhaps you should know what your talking about before you speak. the NC Kb has never once used the API to feed kills






Rolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling Eyes

Omeega
Amarr
Ab Origines
White Noise.
Posted - 2010.06.17 20:57:00 - [365]
 

Originally by: Vuk Lau
I know this can be framed, but this is 100% legit


To our eyes, those titans & supercaps died because of your bad habbit of using innapropriate ships in innapropriate numbers - for once, you (the NC) got the really annoying side of lag/blackscreen/desynch.

Getting those supercaps back as ghost in space, via petitions or rebuilt, no one cares.
Same goes for those bets.

And if somebody does infact care, they should address CCP in the correct matter.

Also, Viper says thanks for breaking the record of titan lost in a terrible way.


Drexciyian
Caldari
The Water Margin Tech
Posted - 2010.06.17 21:06:00 - [366]
 

Either way CCP should remove them if they still exist

Wollari
Caldari
Phoenix Industries
Wicked Nation
Posted - 2010.06.17 21:12:00 - [367]
 

Originally by: Vuk Lau
Ok Zeekar from IT accepted the bet, he is more comfortable with Darknesss as 3rd party so we will both deposit 50 bil to Chribba and 50 bil to Darkness.

I wish i would have that ammount of money, but perhabs i've to get a new profession ingame and stop making webpages :-P

JuGGeR
Caldari
Phantom Squad
Atlas.
Posted - 2010.06.17 21:16:00 - [368]
 

vuk if you spin story is true , ccp should be out with a offcial statement about it , 2ndly if this is even close to be earth bound i guess ccps job would be to fly around and blow em up , 1 by 1 , since they offcialy are dead.

last but not least , the outcry from more then 50% of the players would go ape ****e since it would show favorism to north in general.

hell be proud , you fellas died with the most titans in 1 fight to date ..

last info i got was http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/4715/20100617142629.jpg

so lets see if its photoshoped or not !?

Teckos Pech
Gallente
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2010.06.17 21:16:00 - [369]
 

First,

Originally by: Vuk Lau
or it is possible that they are removed from NC killboard (maintained by RZR) cause all those ships are alive. Few of them changed owners, but couple of them were already returned to rightful owners via petitions.--emphasis added


Then we get,

Originally by: Vuk Lau
1. We didnt got them back from petition, i said that more then once


Rolling Eyes

Which version of your story should we believe?

Marlona Sky
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.06.17 21:22:00 - [370]
 

Originally by: Vuk Lau
I will post more screenshots tomorrow from my office which has Adobe Photoshop CS5.


Neutral

Farham
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.06.17 21:22:00 - [371]
 

"Which version of your story should we believe?"


If I were a betting man I would go with:

They did indeed get them back due to some bug but tried to cover their tracks saying petition. They then realized that should they go with the petition angle that holy hell would break lose due to all previous super cap loses that were CCP related...so, they are now pushing the..."No idea what happened, servers are crazy" angle.

We have all played long enough to know that a bug like this is more than possible.


Anna Valerios
Amarr
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.06.17 21:24:00 - [372]
 

Edited by: Anna Valerios on 17/06/2010 21:26:49
Err Molle got his titan reimbursed the one he lost in M-0 (if I am not mistaken or maybe that low sec system he got ganked in) in a similar situation; so I would not be surprised if NC got reimbursed if they peruse it long enough.

Or am I missing something? :@)

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2010.06.17 21:38:00 - [373]
 

Originally by: Anna Valerios
Edited by: Anna Valerios on 17/06/2010 21:26:49
Err Molle got his titan reimbursed the one he lost in M-0 (if I am not mistaken or maybe that low sec system he got ganked in) in a similar situation; so I would not be surprised if NC got reimbursed if they peruse it long enough.

Or am I missing something? :@)


Yes, you are missing something.

Vuk Lau claimed that someone else found some of the supercaps and boarded them so that MM petitioned this behaviour and got them back this way.

Of course this would be one hell of a quick response for such a complex petition, not only getting a GM to work on the petition but also fully inquiring it within one or two hours.

Or maybe the CSM members get some premium GM service?

Greg DaimYo
Caldari
Biotronics Inc.
Posted - 2010.06.17 21:39:00 - [374]
 

Wat? Dudes, get a grip.

**** happened. Server went to **** and back and then back to more ****.

Go play Dice or Poker while this gets sorted. Forget about blobfights for the moment.

The story we got from Vuk sounds pretty damn believable to me and I don't have any reason to not believe it by now. Seriously who would make a story like this up? There's nothing to be gained by it, or what do you think would be worth to totally pull this **** out of your hat? Damage Control? What kind of Damage? To 'undo' the image of the NC to be nothing but carebears? Yeah, they totally had the 'leet-image before this.

They lost a couple of ships due to a laggy situation and then got it back due to another (actually still the same) laggy situation. I know a whole lot of people who had this happen to them while being in Fleet-BS, that were sitting in their damaged and modulelacking BS after relog with a nice insurancepayout. Since the NC started to use their Titans as the new Fleet-BS I can't be coloured surprised to be honest.

TQ is a cluster****.

Teckos Pech
Gallente
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2010.06.17 21:41:00 - [375]
 

NC alt detected.

Minigin
Caldari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.06.17 21:42:00 - [376]
 

that the titans magically respawned at beacons does not mean you did not lose them vuk. removing them from the killboard does not mean your coalition is any better at the game than you are.

also if i was in pl... and i was anti nc... (haha yeh right) i would be petitioning my head off to have those titans re-removed from game. and i believe it would work.

Fred0
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.17 21:49:00 - [377]
 

Originally by: Minigin
That the titans magically respawned at beacons does not mean you did not lose them vuk.


You conveniently forget that those that have reappeared where the ones that legitimately jumped out but were respawned back in system at various times and now spawned again in the right system. The two of them that never loaded and got killed long after has not respawned. Atleast to our knowledge.

Greg DaimYo
Caldari
Biotronics Inc.
Posted - 2010.06.17 21:51:00 - [378]
 

Edited by: Greg DaimYo on 17/06/2010 21:52:36
Originally by: Teckos Pech
NC alt detected.


I am not an NC-Alt. I was a member of the NC, but I got out when I stopped having fun. So you might still call me biased but I do speak from personal experience at Fanfest when I say, that I learned to know Vuk as an honest :angry: Serbian with a slight overweight who has a real gripe about the condition of the server.

As to what Minigin posted in limegreen: I agree, that the killmails should be kept posted. We honestly can't tell if they are dead or if they got out, even if there are duplicates/originals/whatever still running about.

Edit because mah spellingz are sorta kinda badZors.

Marlona Sky
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.06.17 21:51:00 - [379]
 

Originally by: Fred0
Originally by: Minigin
That the titans magically respawned at beacons does not mean you did not lose them vuk.


You conveniently forget that those that have reappeared where the ones that legitimately jumped out but were respawned back in system at various times and now spawned again in the right system. The two of them that never loaded and got killed long after has not respawned. Atleast to our knowledge.


You guys should go back to your All Forum Ban again, your embarrassing yourselves.

Yakov Draken
Minmatar
Tides Of War
Posted - 2010.06.17 22:05:00 - [380]
 

This thread is a nice reminder of how special some of you are:

- NC loses a bunch of Titans with wierd server behaviour playing a crucial role. I've read multiple posts from people on the other side acknowledging that the whole thing was fubar.

- NC claims to have found some of the lost titans floating in space because of more fubar.

- NC enemies go into overdrive *RAGE* mode and say how wrong this is.

They lost the Titans to the server being fubar - it would *seem* they got some back due to the server being fubar. You celebrate them losing Titans due to server problems but think it is "totally horribly wrong" (WAAAAAH) that they might get some back for the same reasons. Laughing

0.0 is filled with complete and utter hypocrits. You guys come across as some of the biggest whinging turds imaginable.

baltec1
Caldari
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.06.17 22:08:00 - [381]
 

This says it all.

Marlona Sky
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.06.17 22:12:00 - [382]
 

Originally by: baltec1
This says it all.


I would file a petition to get my ears back but I found them a previous post back ready for me to put back on. Magic!

Meno Theaetetus
Gallente
Wildly Inappropriate
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2010.06.17 22:15:00 - [383]
 

Just to try and clear up this mess of a thread, CCP did not reimburse or replace any ship, under heavy lag when the scaps jumped out some effectively got cloned, there was a titan at the jump out beacon and a titan getting killed in the source system. This obviously should not have happened, the titans that died remained dead and the 'cloned' titans that jumped out lived.

This does not deny the fact that wn killed those scaps, fair play to them, they deserved those kills and those mails are still valid, those scaps that didn't jump out in time did die and would not have been 'cloned', scaps that did manage to jump out became cloned, one copy staying in the source system to die, another jumped to its beacon, which one was the original ship is up for some debate though.

Tbh how this is even possible within the mechanics of the game I have no idea, It shouldn't even be possible.


Minigin
Caldari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.06.17 22:15:00 - [384]
 

not disputing you found the titans... just saying this doesnt make this loss for you any less humiliating.

you can continue to spin this into it being ccps fault, not really a loss because you got some stuff back, other excuses that you poked fun of the sc for when they lost a bunch of stuff.

but at the end of the day... im not even going to say it again, you should know what im going to say.

skotenok
Caldari
Bad Robot Inc.
Red Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.17 22:21:00 - [385]
 

strange on sreen eve time is 14:25 and last message in chat 14:26. how can be that ?

Squall D'Lyes
Gallente
Universalis Imperium
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2010.06.17 22:24:00 - [386]
 

Originally by: skotenok
strange on sreen eve time is 14:25 and last message in chat 14:26. how can be that ?

the eve server/client does that quite often. go give it a try on your client. that is not unusual.

baltec1
Caldari
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.06.17 22:28:00 - [387]
 

Originally by: skotenok
strange on sreen eve time is 14:25 and last message in chat 14:26. how can be that ?


Clearly a flux capacitor has been used.

Ein Spiegel
Minmatar
Fly-by-Night Industries LLC PTY LTD
Drama Flakes
Posted - 2010.06.17 22:30:00 - [388]
 

This is not a troll, nor a chest beat.

But there's an underlying sense in both sides (or all three) which seems in error. The concept that SuperCaps are somehow special.

Sure, they used to be. Back when nobody could build one without massive work. When there were not enough miners to keep the materials flowing, when the total amount of capital ISK in the game was significantly less. But, let's face it. There are more players. There are more people doing things. And as the newbies are doing crapwork, the older vets are amassing more and more ISK. And Skills. More people can fly them, more people can afford them, there will be more of them.
Once upon a time, Capital fights were like this. Now, they're not. Someday, throwing fleets of 100 supercaps & titans against another fleet of 100 supercaps & titans won't be a blip on the radar. Because Eve is growing.

And CCP, they need to address the fact that their gameworld is choking itself on anemic systems that can't handle the load, or on plaque-ridden code that can't push the bits where they need to be.

And they have to be able to keep up with the people that can't get any thought out of their head, when faced with a fight, other than "We Need MOAR SHIPS! It's not blobby enough!" Because as soon as lag isn't a problem, they'll upgrade their blobs until they lag out the server nodes again. Rinse, repeat.

So live with lag, but in doing so, CCP is not free from responsibility to do more to prevent it.

Drexciyian
Caldari
The Water Margin Tech
Posted - 2010.06.17 22:35:00 - [389]
 

Originally by: Yakov Draken
This thread is a nice reminder of how special some of you are:

- NC loses a bunch of Titans with wierd server behaviour playing a crucial role. I've read multiple posts from people on the other side acknowledging that the whole thing was fubar.

- NC claims to have found some of the lost titans floating in space because of more fubar.

- NC enemies go into overdrive *RAGE* mode and say how wrong this is.

They lost the Titans to the server being fubar - it would *seem* they got some back due to the server being fubar. You celebrate them losing Titans due to server problems but think it is "totally horribly wrong" (WAAAAAH) that they might get some back for the same reasons. Laughing

0.0 is filled with complete and utter hypocrits. You guys come across as some of the biggest whinging turds imaginable.


No its cos 1000s of other people have lost ships that never get them back

Cyrus Doul
Caldari
E0 Corp
Innovia Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.17 22:48:00 - [390]
 

I will take any of them off the list vuk if you get a GM to tell me directly that they are the same titans as before. So far we have no gm intervention and its not like it would be that hard for you to take any of the other titans you have off my list of them and have them move there and swap pilots to make it look pretty. or all of the dozens that ive had six other MM pilots tell me exist but as they are not named yet they aren't going to give me them.

signed,
Cyrus Doul,
The guy that runs the titan list.


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