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GallenteCitizen 9035768
Hephaestus Corporation
Posted - 2010.06.11 11:16:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Vagina Monologue on 13/06/2010 08:46:56
There's a Caldari ECM boat. I understand that Caldari are the e-war race, but it seems unfair that the other races don't have an e-war boat.

Thus, I propose CCP convert the Dominix from a drone boat to a damp boat, the Armageddon to a tracking disruptor boat, and the Typhoon to a target painter boat.

EDIT:

Give the Dominix: a damp bonus instead of a blaster damage bonus
Give the Typhoon: a target painter bonus instead of a turret r.o.f. bonus
Give the Armageddon: I'm not sure, maybe a neut/nos bonus (a small one so that the Bhaalghorn isn't just an expensive Armageddon) instead of a turret cap use bonus, but a tracking disruptor range bonus would be interesting too for fleet work

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2010.06.11 11:20:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Vagina Monologue
There's a Caldari ECM boat. I understand that Caldari are the e-war race, but it seems unfair that the other races don't have an e-war boat.

Thus, I propose CCP convert the Dominix from a drone boat to a damp boat, the Armageddon to a sensor disruptor boat, and the Typhoon to a target painter boat.


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GallenteCitizen 9035768
Hephaestus Corporation
Posted - 2010.06.11 11:22:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Vagina Monologue on 11/06/2010 11:34:35
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Vagina Monologue
There's a Caldari ECM boat. I understand that Caldari are the e-war race, but it seems unfair that the other races don't have an e-war boat.

Thus, I propose CCP convert the Dominix from a drone boat to a damp boat, the Armageddon to a sensor disruptor boat, and the Typhoon to a target painter boat.


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Ninetails o'Cat
League of Super Evil
Posted - 2010.06.11 11:22:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Vagina Monologue
There's a Caldari ECM boat. I understand that Caldari are the e-war race, but it seems unfair that the other races don't have an e-war boat.

Thus, I propose CCP convert the Dominix from a drone boat to a damp boat, the Armageddon to a sensor disruptor boat, and the Typhoon to a target painter boat.


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This.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2010.06.11 15:33:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Vagina Monologue
the Typhoon to a target painter boat.


Wait, I really like this. I'll definitely trade the gun ROF bonus for a painter bonus and an extra launcher slot... YARRRR!!

-Liang

Erin Kinkade
Posted - 2010.06.11 16:53:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Erin Kinkade on 11/06/2010 16:55:15
And only Gallente have a drone battleship. Your point is?

Everything doesn't have to be so symmetrical. I mean just look at caldari ships...

LtCol Laurentius
Caldari
Digital Fury Corporation
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.06.11 18:45:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: LtCol Laurentius on 11/06/2010 18:45:32
Symetrical or not, the current state of affairs ARE inconsistent. For frigates and cruisers, each race get their EWAR ship, but for battleships, only the Caldari gets it.

However, removing an existing bonus from the geddon, the domi and the phoon for a new EWAR bonus to TDs, RSDs and TPs repectively will essentially gimp those ships badly and render them more or less useless. The Scorpion has its niche, but I dont see much need for a tech 1 battleship with bonus to targetpainters (nice for missions maybe but meh).

What you COULD do however, is include a tier 2 EWAR bouns. It will still be consistent, as the caldari EWAR are the same (ECM) for both tier 1 and tier 2. In this way, the geddon will get a neut/nos bonus (like the bhaalghorn, but without the webbing bonus), the domi will get a bonus to warp scrambler range while the phoon gets a webbing bonus.

This will ensure that each race have an EWAR BS, but with a tier 2 EWAR bonus (beeing battleships and all). This is just a comment though, I am sure all my esteemed collegues out there will have lots of misgivings lol.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2010.06.11 18:59:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Liang Nuren on 11/06/2010 19:02:30
Originally by: LtCol Laurentius
Edited by: LtCol Laurentius on 11/06/2010 18:45:32
Symetrical or not, the current state of affairs ARE inconsistent. For frigates and cruisers, each race get their EWAR ship, but for battleships, only the Caldari gets it.

However, removing an existing bonus from the geddon, the domi and the phoon for a new EWAR bonus to TDs, RSDs and TPs repectively will essentially gimp those ships badly and render them more or less useless. The Scorpion has its niche, but I dont see much need for a tech 1 battleship with bonus to targetpainters (nice for missions maybe but meh).

What you COULD do however, is include a tier 2 EWAR bouns. It will still be consistent, as the caldari EWAR are the same (ECM) for both tier 1 and tier 2. In this way, the geddon will get a neut/nos bonus (like the bhaalghorn, but without the webbing bonus), the domi will get a bonus to warp scrambler range while the phoon gets a webbing bonus.

This will ensure that each race have an EWAR BS, but with a tier 2 EWAR bonus (beeing battleships and all). This is just a comment though, I am sure all my esteemed collegues out there will have lots of misgivings lol.


I propose:

Scorpion:
- Lose ECM range bonus (it's useless anyway) and increase ECM str bonus to 25%/lvl (since you have to be up in people's grill now)
- Replace ECM range bonus with 5% Launcher ROF bonus
- Trade a high for a low and add a launcher slot

Final result:
5/8/5, 5 launchers, 5% Launcher ROF bonus, 25% ECM Strength/lvl

Typhoon:
- Trade Turret ROF bonus for Painter bonus
- +1 launcher slot
- Add some fittings to accomodate being an ewar BS. :)

Geddon:
- Trade cap consumption bonus for 15% nos/neut amount bonus

Domi: Touch and die *******.

-Liang

Ed: And in case you can't tell, I'm dead serious about changing the Scorp and only half serious about the Phoon/Geddon. I'd be so stoked on the Geddon change. Laughing

GallenteCitizen 9035768
Hephaestus Corporation
Posted - 2010.06.11 20:10:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Vagina Monologue
the Typhoon to a target painter boat.


Wait, I really like this. I'll definitely trade the gun ROF bonus for a painter bonus and an extra launcher slot... YARRRR!!

-Liang


The Typhoon doesn't have enough grid or CPU to fit another torpedo launcher and still be useful. Even as it is now, it's forced to brick itself (3x trimarks really crush its speed) since it's almost impossible to fit an effective active tank.

But of course CCP could give it more grid/CPU to fit a sixth launcher.

Spugg Galdon
Posted - 2010.06.12 23:09:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Spugg Galdon on 12/06/2010 23:13:52
Oh god Rolling Eyes


Liangs scorp change is the only thing that even came close to making any sense but no. You can't get close to T2 ECM bonuses for a T1 ship. You will have to keep the sub par strength bonus. Hell, I think dropping the strength bonus all together, buffing the range bonus and giving it a launcher ROF bonus with a 5th launcher is better. Pushing its range out to where the other two BS's are designed to operate (>200km) makes more sense.

EDIT: Actually scrub that (Just had a play in EFT). Scorp can already get around 200 km ECM range (50% fall off though) without implants which is acceptable at these ranges. Scorpion in its current form is a very good ship. The other races do not need an EWAR (T1)BS.

Rip Minner
Gallente
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
Posted - 2010.06.13 04:29:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Vagina Monologue
the Typhoon to a target painter boat.


Wait, I really like this. I'll definitely trade the gun ROF bonus for a painter bonus and an extra launcher slot... YARRRR!!

-Liang


Ya I have to second this too :)

SickSeven
Simplistic Syndicate
Posted - 2010.06.13 06:12:00 - [12]
 

I wouldn't complain if the Phoon lost it's turret bonus for TP bonus and gained cup/grid for 6th torp launcher. (I'd actually wet my pants!)

I agree that there is a disparity in EWAR through the ship classes. However I think this would take a huge amount of balance testing on CCPs part that they just aren't going to do, instead they will spend the time on other things that no-one is asking for lol.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2010.06.13 07:07:00 - [13]
 

Hmmm... an interesting idea. I could get behind this if it is hashed out a bit more and details are given.

*light bulb turns on*

Wait... I think we might have found a suitable replacement for the Hyperion's armor rep bonus! Shocked

GallenteCitizen 9035768
Hephaestus Corporation
Posted - 2010.06.13 08:35:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Vagina Monologue on 13/06/2010 08:37:13
Should the Typhoon retain its gunslots at all if it gains a launcher and a painter bonus? There's plenty of situations where you want that extra bit of DPS instead of neuts.

Cold32
The Alpha and the Omega
Posted - 2010.06.13 09:15:00 - [15]
 

This is strange, its a obvious troll post But it makes a good point.
Caldari is the only race with an E-war bs, it may be a bit sucky at anything out of that role but it does seem a bit unbalanced.
If the typhoon got a bonus to webs it could compensate for is brickness, if the geddon got a bonus to neuts/vamps it wouldmake it a half decent solo boat, if the domi got a bonus to sensor damps It would make a usefull addition to sniper Bs fleets but i guess all this would make the tier 1 bs abit overpowered...
Meh, got me thinking
Also the Phoon needs some Love on its textures/model it should be the next ship to get a make over

Achmed TheDead
Posted - 2010.06.13 09:58:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren

Domi: Touch and die *******.



This

Villian
Posted - 2010.06.13 10:30:00 - [17]
 

The Neutageddon is already stellar, but a role bonus would be nice.

Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente
Imperial Tau Syndicate
POD-SQUAD
Posted - 2010.06.13 10:38:00 - [18]
 

Don't you touch my domi!

ITTigerClawIK
Amarr
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
Posted - 2010.06.13 22:01:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Vagina Monologue
Edited by: Vagina Monologue on 13/06/2010 08:46:56
There's a Caldari ECM boat. I understand that Caldari are the e-war race, but it seems unfair that the other races don't have an e-war boat.

Thus, I propose CCP convert the Dominix from a drone boat to a damp boat, the Armageddon to a tracking disruptor boat, and the Typhoon to a target painter boat.

EDIT:

Give the Dominix: a damp bonus instead of a blaster damage bonus
Give the Typhoon: a target painter bonus instead of a turret r.o.f. bonus
Give the Armageddon: I'm not sure, maybe a neut/nos bonus (a small one so that the Bhaalghorn isn't just an expensive Armageddon) instead of a turret cap use bonus, but a tracking disruptor range bonus would be interesting too for fleet work


Touch my geddon and i will cut you ......

also this a bad idea due to the fact we love our Teir 1 BS's as they are

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2010.06.13 22:16:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: ITTigerClawIK

Touch my geddon and i will cut you ......

also this a bad idea due to the fact we love our Teir 1 BS's as they are


I dunno man, I took a look at the thread and I knew it was meant to be a troll... but I thought about it a bit and I came to the conclusion that it can almost be made a good change. Speaking specifically to the Geddon, I think it might actually be more powerful if you trade the cap use bonus for a nos/neut amount bonus.

It'd certainly become the ship of choice for taking out cap fleets. As if it weren't already.

-Liang

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.06.13 22:37:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: ITTigerClawIK

Touch my geddon and i will cut you ......

also this a bad idea due to the fact we love our Teir 1 BS's as they are


I dunno man, I took a look at the thread and I knew it was meant to be a troll... but I thought about it a bit and I came to the conclusion that it can almost be made a good change. Speaking specifically to the Geddon, I think it might actually be more powerful if you trade the cap use bonus for a nos/neut amount bonus.

It'd certainly become the ship of choice for taking out cap fleets. As if it weren't already.

-Liang


A T1 bhaalgorn, basically?

Yeah that could be a pretty sweet niche ship.... but I too would cut you if you touched my geddon.

GallenteCitizen 9035768
Hephaestus Corporation
Posted - 2010.06.13 22:52:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: ITTigerClawIK

Touch my geddon and i will cut you ......

also this a bad idea due to the fact we love our Teir 1 BS's as they are


I dunno man, I took a look at the thread and I knew it was meant to be a troll... but I thought about it a bit and I came to the conclusion that it can almost be made a good change. Speaking specifically to the Geddon, I think it might actually be more powerful if you trade the cap use bonus for a nos/neut amount bonus.

It'd certainly become the ship of choice for taking out cap fleets. As if it weren't already.

-Liang


A T1 bhaalgorn, basically?

Yeah that could be a pretty sweet niche ship.... but I too would cut you if you touched my geddon.



What about a tracking disruptor bonus instead?

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2010.06.13 22:52:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Liang Nuren on 13/06/2010 22:53:58
Originally by: Malcanis

A T1 bhaalgorn, basically?

Yeah that could be a pretty sweet niche ship.... but I too would cut you if you touched my geddon.



I think we fundamentally view the ship differently. I'm all for things which increase its power - like trading the cap use bonus for a damage bonus or something.

-Liang

Ed:
Originally by: Vagina Monologue
What about a tracking disruptor bonus instead?


I wouldn't be a fan of it, mostly because it would involve a significant change to the ship. The cap use bonus is something of a "useless" bonus, but its far more useful than a tracking disruptor bonus on a ship with 3 mids...

Ekrid
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2010.06.14 02:14:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Ekrid on 14/06/2010 02:17:12
No. They tried to make smaller ships more useful, with the adding of EA frigates, and all cruiser sized ships have an EWAR spec in their midst for a reason.

Putting battleships with EWAR bonuses would effectively turn the game from rock > paper > scissor (which is already is imbalanced in a multitude of ways) into Rock > rock > rock.

bad idea.


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Liang Nuren
Posted - 2010.06.14 02:43:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Ekrid

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Good way to end up with a forum ban right there.

-Liang

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2010.06.14 14:50:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Ekrid

(Personal signature addition: Waaah! - Navigator

Alts: When your USD/life ratio is better than the K/D ratio of country leaders in wars.

"Im going to log in my alt to check for hostiles" - Yeah, you go you carebear pirate.

Lock this personally added sig, navifailtard.)


Good way to end up with a forum ban right there.

-Liang


I was thinking the same thing. Not that anyone would notice, but...

On the subject of the OP. Not supported.

Larkonis Trassler
Doctrine.
Posted - 2010.06.14 15:43:00 - [27]
 

I think you should find a character called p*nis monologue and you two should get together so you are too tied up to continue posting.


 

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