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Yura Ghost
Posted - 2010.06.09 05:10:00 - [1]
 

Just because she is a good person does not mean she belongs anywhere near the mic. Yes we feel sorry for the poor girl but NEARLY ALL the commentators suck. I want to hear some math. I would like to actually learn something from the commentators.

I know there are some guys who are really good at PvP and CCP should pay those guys to comment instead of doing it for free. If you want quality you have to pay for it.

This way you can also be more picky. I don't even care if the guys are Developers or Engineers. I want to learn something not make fun of them and make madden jokes.

You know what I'm talking about!

Ohh Yeah
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2010.06.09 05:16:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Ohh Yeah on 09/06/2010 05:25:41
Originally by: Yura Ghost
and make madden jokes.


Now you see folks, if the football crosses the goal line then that's six points right there, not to mention that seventh point if the kicker gets the ball through the uprights which is what he's paid to do - he's a professional ladies and gentlemen.

Edited for more authenticity (see: folks)

Tortugan
Internal Anarchy
WE FORM VOLTRON
Posted - 2010.06.09 05:28:00 - [3]
 

I'll be apping to be a commentator once I meet the proper requirements. Cool

Ancistrops
Posted - 2010.06.09 05:30:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Ohh Yeah
Edited by: Ohh Yeah on 09/06/2010 05:25:41
Originally by: Yura Ghost
and make madden jokes.


Now you see folks, if the football crosses the goal line then that's six points right there, not to mention that seventh point if the kicker gets the ball through the uprights which is what he's paid to do - he's a professional ladies and gentlemen.




Now you see folks, if the Rooks get jams on the Machariels then that's about 3k DPS out of the way, not to mention that if they lose those jams on those Machariels they're going to get shred to pieces by them which is what they're meant to do - they're Star Fraction ladies and gentlemen, they're usually really good.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2010.06.09 06:33:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Liang Nuren on 09/06/2010 06:35:24
As one of the resident math nerds (that PVPs quite a bit!), I have to say that it'd be really hard to do a better job. I can spot their errors rather easily... its entirely another matter to narrate a match myself intelligently and without error. Also, there's something to be said for keeping it light and funny at the same time (even if I don't always agree with "funny").

I mean, sure - I can give you an estimate of the likely DPS and EHP output of any of the teams... but that's pure EFT knowledge and is rarely what's actually encountered on TQ and almost certainly not what we're going to see in the tournament. The real kick in the nuts is that you're even less likely to see "standard" setups because of the format of the tournament and everyone trying to be "tricky".

In the end, I have to give Verone mad props (and my award for best commentator) for doing a pretty marvelous job narrating the matches by virtue of telling us what is happening and speculating a bit on why. If you notice, the other commentators ask Verone what guns someone's fitting (f.e. whether Vindis are fitting blasters or rails), and he provides helpful commentary revealing what ammo the missile chunkers are spewing. He's providing a lots more information to someone who knows the basics of the game than any of the other commentators....... and I lift my beer in toast to him for it.

And while I'm ranting... someone needs to slap around whatever Widow pilot thought it was a good idea to shoot Rage EM torps at armor tanked hurricanes. Even if the cane was tri-hardened the rage torps are pretty much guaranteed to be fail. And the cruise golems that lost to 3 Vindis... FIT ****ING TORPS OMG DUDE WTF.


And that rant right there is why I haven't applied to be a commentator. That and my wife would kill me for wandering off to Iceland for a week without her and the children. ugh

-Liang

Ed: Clarification.

Alsyth
Night Warder
Posted - 2010.06.09 09:58:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Alsyth on 09/06/2010 11:22:51
I'd love to give that kind of comments... In French. Looking at how some people laugh at Brianna's English I must admit they'll probably hate mine :D


Sample (last match : Tormentum vs The Star Fraction)

So we have on Tormentum side an ECM heavy setup, 3 Rooks, a Keres -which is a dampening ewar frig-, 3 Nemesis, a Scimitar and two Drakes. On The Star Fraction side a mobile and heavy-hitting setup, composed of 3 Machariels, 3 Sabres, a Sleipnir and a Scimitar.
As you can see Star Fraction only have 8 pilots on the field, and that's a huge disadvantage when you face a ewar heavy team : they can put more ewar modules on each of your members.

The beginning of the match will be decisive, those Sabres (and the Sleipnir) could immediatly take out most of the frigates if they were at range and able to shoot. But some well placed bombs could also take all 3 sabres down.

Tormentum ships are all grouped at the bottom of the arena, while star fraction ships are in the middle. I bet they're speed fitted and those machariels will close up really fast on the Tormentum team, but I'd be surpised if they can even lock and shoot...

The match begins, you can see Star Fraction ships running FAST towards Tormentum team, who fire all its missile on... A Sabre, it seems.
I won't be suprised if the scimitar couldn't even lock its sabre friends : a single Keres can damp a Scimitar to something like 20km lock range, and I think that's even more powerful than ECM since it's not chance-based.
It seems some bombers and Drakes use painters, and some bombers also use dampeners.

On the Machariels they could use scan resolution dampening, to make sure that if a Rook miss a jam cycle, Machariels won't be able to lock them in time, and that's VITAL for them. Unless they're heavily tanked (I doubt so), a single non-jammed Machariel could obliterates a Rook even with a Scimitar on it, if he chose the right ammo : In this case EMP. The bad choice being phased plasma that, though usually good on shield tankers, will hit a Rook's highest resistances, making the remote more powerful.

Now they switched fire on one of the Machariel. Pretty good target call in my opinion, if they know the scimitar is incapacited. Indeed, without their logistics, a shield-tanked machariel's tank is not that great. BS signature making missiles hit for full damage, even torps with all those painters.... They have faction BS EHP, but not many slots, they can't tank on more than 4 plus rigs, which is kinda low knowing that they have TI resistances.
And Machariels are the only dangerous things on the field, as I said they could take out Rooks very fast as soon a jam cycle is missed, and of course tormentum will be in bad shape if it happens, their damp only is not sufficient since Star Fraction ships are a lot faster.

But, now that Machariel is down, I bet we'll see a wonderful ewar victory against brute force and speed !

The power of damp and ECM is often underestimated, while in fact in such small team situations it's really effective.
I bet every single Tormentum ship have ewar apart from the scimitar, meaning you can expect 2-3 ewar damp/painters on drakes, (and wonderful ganglinks to help with shield resistance and jamming power), 4 ECM on each rook, 3-4 damps on the Keres and 2-3 damps/painters on every stealth bomber. And that's an awful lot, probably 30 ewar slots on 8 star fraction ships...

The question of dps is interesting too, in fact I think you can expect more applied dps from Tormentum team than star fraction, thanks to their bombers and their number. 2 ships that don't do dps (namely Keres and Scimitar) 8 bombers, drakes and rook who can achieve 500ish dps if they're max skill, for a sum of 4000dps, able to hit at 70km range.
Star Fraction team on the other side probably have 4000 dps, 600 from Sabres, but only at point blank range, except for Machariels.

Jieter
Posted - 2010.06.09 10:28:00 - [7]
 

rather have ccp claw and ccp capslock be a commentator then someone that will do more math and the such, but that mostly because they're the best commentators for srs

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.06.09 11:16:00 - [8]
 

Give commentators same screen as we see, then they wont miss a ferox anymore.

Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
Posted - 2010.06.09 11:45:00 - [9]
 

Being good at PvP doesn't also mean you can give cohesive commentary.


nikola777
Posted - 2010.06.12 07:27:00 - [10]
 

EVE community has produced few popular pvp players which may be not the best in pvp but they love publicity and they are something like celebrity in eve, why dont ask them to say few words? And if they are good at making comments allow them to do it. Being a commentator it is honor which should be given for achievement in pvp. It should be like form of public acknowledgement.

Now the commentators can do their job more or less successfully but sometimes it sounds like they aren't used to be in pvp fights (may be it is just my imho)

Gorjer
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.06.12 08:04:00 - [11]
 

ITT Spoilt brat demands more ice cream from parents.

DoNotTouch
Posted - 2010.06.12 13:13:00 - [12]
 

check out all the comments on youtube on the tournament videos, 80% of them saying that the "female commentator should shut up" eg.

commentating is nowhere near easy, but i bet there are better commentators on the field than these you have at the moment.

commentating makes everything way more interesting but the commentating must be good to do that.

ever saw some starcraft2 games? these two guys are commentating many games by themselves.

youtube starcraft linkage

the commentating on the alliance tournament musnt be that good, but since its an official tournament from ccp, i think it SHOULD be way better.

Lorek Kelden
Minmatar
The Minmatar Defense Project
Posted - 2010.06.14 04:51:00 - [13]
 

If they were able to Hire them. Then they could be picky and see who has talent at commentating. They would pick those who are good at it vs. the ones who are not. The more people try out the higher quality we get.

This is as simple as 2+2=4

I think CCP is sticking to the celebrity status of these players though.

I must admit KIL2 is awesome at commentating!

NewGit
Caldari
Posted - 2010.06.14 05:39:00 - [14]
 

Perhaps an option for the next tournament.

Select a different pair of commentators for each match on Day 1. Have the same pairs do the Day 2 matches, then select the best (8 ?) pairs to do the Day 3 & 4 matches. (Of course if there are more than 16 matches in the next tourney, the number of initial commentators would change.)

Then select the best (4 ?) pairs from that group to do the Finals. I'm not sure if these forums have a Polling option which could be used to vote on the commentators. That would be much easier than trying to scan through the threads and trying to add up all the positive (and negative) posts.

(Out of curiosity. Given the very diverse nature of the Eve population, were any video commentaries done in other languages ? With the large numbers of Russian, German and other European players, as well as many Asian nations, perhaps alternative feeds could be done in other languages ? Just a thought.)

5kyscreamx
Mad Bombers
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.06.14 05:46:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Tortugan
I'll be apping to be a commentator once I meet the proper requirements. Cool


sorry but the alliance tournament is not located in jita

Abe SE
Caldari
Front Line Assembly
Posted - 2010.06.14 05:46:00 - [16]
 

Sexeh numbahs. There you go, here are some numbers for you. Now just turn down the volume and start reading numbers/stats, that way you won't get so upset by those "sucky" commentators. </sarcasm> Wink

Lorek Kelden
Minmatar
The Minmatar Defense Project
Posted - 2010.06.14 05:50:00 - [17]
 

I think voting on commentators is a great idea.

Yakumo Smith
Gallente
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.06.14 05:56:00 - [18]
 

I'm hoping they are going to pick the best from the bunch and not just fly all of them over to Iceland by default.

Commentating at the 3rd weekend is a big thing.

We have all seen experts who've been to Iceland "disappear" only to reappear next tournament with a new name and a Dev shirt.

NTRabbit
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2010.06.14 06:30:00 - [19]
 

CCP did hire real experts.

They're now known as Mindstar, Atropos, Capslock, Claw and Soundwave.

Also, I've no problem with the current EVE TV lineup.

Lorek Kelden
Minmatar
The Minmatar Defense Project
Posted - 2010.06.14 07:03:00 - [20]
 

Oh... They Did hire real experts? For Commentating?

Then why are they not doing there job then. Because they were not hired to commentate!

I don't know what they were hired for but it doesn't matter.

Because they are not the ones doing the commentating.

The subject is dead. you can't expect perfection. we just have to accept that there are very few people with talent in the world.

Anonymous Player
Posted - 2010.06.14 07:27:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: nikola777
EVE community has produced few popular pvp players which may be not the best in pvp but they love publicity and they are something like celebrity in eve, why dont ask them to say few words? And if they are good at making comments allow them to do it. Being a commentator it is honor which should be given for achievement in pvp. It should be like form of public acknowledgement.

Now the commentators can do their job more or less successfully but sometimes it sounds like they aren't used to be in pvp fights (may be it is just my imho)


Most of those "PVP experts" are spineless people who get their "achievements" from killing carebears. No skill in that, really. And no need to acknowledge their "hard work".

Bruno Capri
Minmatar
Jamaican Zombie Flying Squad
Posted - 2010.06.14 07:52:00 - [22]
 

I just wish the commentators were able to see exactly what electronic warfare is being applied to who. Most the time they are as much in the dark as we are.

TheGunslinger42
Posted - 2010.06.16 11:46:00 - [23]
 

Experts at playing vidya games
because you're angry at the female voice

Rolling Eyes

Kuntakinte NL
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.06.16 13:15:00 - [24]
 

Dudes just get a grip.

This was actually the first time CCP broadcasted the qualifiers live.. So we actually had more service then last tournaments.


 

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