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TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2010.06.08 22:49:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: TeaDaze on 08/06/2010 22:52:43

Meeting took place Sat 5th June at 16:07

Eve Wiki Link Summary and raw logs
External Downloads Raw Log | PDF Summary | CSM5 Attendance PDF

TL:DR

Present: CCP Xhagen, CCP Diagoras, CCP Hammer, Mynxee, Ankhesentapemkah, Dierdra Vaal, Korvin, Vuk Lau, TeaDaze, Trebor Daehdoow, ElvenLord (alt), Alekseyev Karrde (CSM4), Mrs Trzzbk (CSM4), Z0D (CSM4)

Apologies: Meissa Anunthiel

Absent: Sokratesz, mazzilliu (alt), T'Amber (alt), Helen Highwater (alt), ALPHA12125 (alt)


Results
This was a handover meeting so no issues were discussed.

Mynxee confirmed she would accept the position of chairwoman.

Dierdra Vaal elected as vice chairman
Ankhesentapemkah: Vuk Lau
Mynxee: Dierdra Vaal
Trebor Daehdoow: Dierdra Vaal
TeaDaze: Dierdra Vaal
Dierdra Vaal: Dierdra Vaal
Korvin: Dierdra Vaal


TeaDaze voted as secretary
Vuk Lau: No preferance
Mynxee: TeaDaze
TeaDaze: TeaDaze
Trebor Daehdoow: TeaDaze
Korvin: TeaDaze
ElvenLord: TeaDaze
Dierdra Vaal: TeaDaze
Ankhesentapemkah: Ankhesentapemkah


Trebor Daehdoow voted as vice secretary
Dierdra Vaal: Ankhesentapemkah
Trebor Daehdoow: Trebor Daehdoow
TeaDaze: Trebor Daehdoow
Vuk Lau: Ankhesentapemkah
Mynxee: Trebor Daehdoow
Ankhesentapemkah: Ankhesentapemkah
Korvin: Trebor Daehdoow


Other Business

Second meeting already scheduled for Sunday 6th June at 18:00 eve time.

Meeting closed at 17:06

TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2010.06.08 22:55:00 - [2]
 

Meeting 002 minutes will follow tomorrow, though if you can't wait the raw text logs are available on the wiki or on my site (along with the attendance record).

Sorry for the delay, blame two CSM meetings and AT8 on the same weekend for lack of free time Wink

Mynxee
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.06.08 23:09:00 - [3]
 

Thanks as always, TeaDaze. Great work as usual!

Selene D'Celeste
Caldari
The D'Celeste Trading Company
ISK Six
Posted - 2010.06.09 03:05:00 - [4]
 

Good luck, looks like a pretty decent group this go around too =)

Jim diGriz
Caldari
Moustache Twirling Space Cads
Huzzah Federation
Posted - 2010.06.09 08:55:00 - [5]
 

To the CSM,

I read that there was only a 12% turnout for voting from the EVE player base! Would it not be ideal to make a request to CCP to possibly add Vote Beacons in certain areas of the EVE universe. e.g. New Player hubs, Market Hubs.

A Pilot warps to the Vote Beacon, activates it and then they are presented with a selection list (each selection also links to a URL for the CSM candidate).


Dierdra Vaal
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.06.09 09:45:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Jim diGriz
To the CSM,

I read that there was only a 12% turnout for voting from the EVE player base! Would it not be ideal to make a request to CCP to possibly add Vote Beacons in certain areas of the EVE universe. e.g. New Player hubs, Market Hubs.

A Pilot warps to the Vote Beacon, activates it and then they are presented with a selection list (each selection also links to a URL for the CSM candidate).




improving CSM visibility is always something we work on :) I'm sure we'll talk about it with XHagen and Diagoras when we are in iceland.

Mynxee
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.06.09 10:34:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Jim diGriz
I read that there was only a 12% turnout for voting from the EVE player base!


Might not seem like much, but it was nearly double the previous election. There was a LOT more blogging, tweeting, and forum discussion (on this and other forums) this time around and I noticed CCP gave CSM events more splash screen notices, dev blogs, etc. The trick is going to be to maintain that momentum and build on it with each election. Responsibility for that is shared by candidates, CCP, and the community.

The other key is building CSM credibility. That can only be done by showing results, which means proposed features/changes/ideas actually implemented rather than disappeared into the backlog. We can invest many, many hours of time discussing, analyzing, and recommending (and believe me, we do spend those hours) but unless there is a result to point at and say "That got done because of our work with CCP", the players will remain skeptical of CSM's effectiveness. Can hardly blame them. Hopefully, our status as stakeholders will give us more influence over priorities going forward.

CCP has some responsibility for highlighting tangible CMS accomlishments, as well, if they want to stop getting **** from players about CSM being a worthless exercise in marketing. For example, EVERY set of patch notes should have "CSM" labels next to the items that CSM championed. If there are not at least several of those on every expansion's patch notes, then Houston, we have a problem.


Jim diGriz
Caldari
Moustache Twirling Space Cads
Huzzah Federation
Posted - 2010.06.09 11:11:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
Originally by: Jim diGriz
To the CSM,

I read that there was only a 12% turnout for voting from the EVE player base! Would it not be ideal to make a request to CCP to possibly add Vote Beacons in certain areas of the EVE universe. e.g. New Player hubs, Market Hubs.

A Pilot warps to the Vote Beacon, activates it and then they are presented with a selection list (each selection also links to a URL for the CSM candidate).




improving CSM visibility is always something we work on :) I'm sure we'll talk about it with XHagen and Diagoras when we are in iceland.


Even having a Vote Icon under Station Management for when CSM elections come round would be another option.

Reminding players of the CSM is lost as soon as the player logs in to EVE, You may have the news banner on the right of the screen when you select your character or the information banner above the log-in box. Once you are past those screens; anything to do with the CSM is lost and forgotten about and that is a shame.

Another option would be for CCP to allow CSM candidates to produce an EVE-mail that can be sent to all active players. This is one way for the candidates to canvas the user base.

Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.06.09 13:14:00 - [9]
 

I believe I had notified mynx that I wouldn't be able to be there but apparently I didn't, apologies.

Ahsekuaw
Brother Theo's Monastery
The Ancients.
Posted - 2010.06.09 16:55:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Mynxee


The other key is building CSM credibility. That can only be done by showing results, which means proposed features/changes/ideas actually implemented rather than disappeared into the backlog. We can invest many, many hours of time discussing, analyzing, and recommending (and believe me, we do spend those hours) but unless there is a result to point at and say "That got done because of our work with CCP", the players will remain skeptical of CSM's effectiveness. Can hardly blame them. Hopefully, our status as stakeholders will give us more influence over priorities going forward.

CCP has some responsibility for highlighting tangible CMS accomlishments, as well, if they want to stop getting **** from players about CSM being a worthless exercise in marketing. For example, EVERY set of patch notes should have "CSM" labels next to the items that CSM championed. If there are not at least several of those on every expansion's patch notes, then Houston, we have a problem.




I completely agree with this initiative. Raising CSM credibility and especially visibility will be key. When I ran for CSM4, I got a lot of blank stares from pilots that didn't know what the CSM was, let alone the impact they can have on the game. By accomplishing this goal and gaining a higher visibility, the CSM will gain more leverage with CCP in completing the implementations that it initiates.

Ahs

Extreme
Eye of God
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2010.06.10 19:36:00 - [11]
 

Would be nice to use the billboards next to the jumpgates for CSM advertisement.

And i support the idea to be able to vote within a station.


Also on a sidenote: I won't be able to make it to visit the CSM at the Celtic Cross this time.
Maybe in december or during he 3rd summit.

/X

Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.06.11 07:41:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Extreme

Also on a sidenote: I won't be able to make it to visit the CSM at the Celtic Cross this time.
Maybe in december or during he 3rd summit.

/X


Oh was jij dat :P


 

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