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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.06.09 22:00:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
Gods , i just lack the words to descibre what i have just read.

The rest of us usually just say "/facepalm" Twisted Evil

Chronos VIII
Amarr
Cataclysm Enterprises
Ev0ke
Posted - 2010.06.09 22:01:00 - [62]
 

This reminds me of alchemy actually Confused

Doctor Mabuse
Posted - 2010.06.09 22:47:00 - [63]
 

Unfortunately it just doesn't scale. As a feature it was supposed to appeal to all players, but there is no way to make the isk earning potential balanced.

If you make PI bring in a decent isk stream comparable to L4s which will interest the medium term and older players as a way of funding there activities, everyone complains that new players are making isk too easily with minimal skills.

On the other hand, if you make the isk return very low, comparable with what a new player is expected to earn doing other activities, none of the medium/old players are interested.

The alternative is to find a non-isk related way of encouraging people to use PI, in other words make it fun. There is little that is 'fun' about PI in its current form.

I'm still not sure that it's even a good idea to be introducing new players to PI as a way of making isk. Their first impressions of Eve aren't going to be too good if they've spent hours clicking at nodes and links to make enough for that Rifter.

Bellum Eternus
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.06.09 23:04:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
I know you may not consider me a player but I do play EVE Laughing and I have to say I am enjoying the Planetary Interaction as it currently stands. It isn't my primary source of income and so far i've jut lost money on it but I'm having tons of fun. In fact I got yelled at by my wife for getting up in the middle of a movie to "go to the bathroom" when she found out I was checking out new planets!

It was worth it, some of my extractors had timed out. Twisted Evil


Lol. Tamagotchi indeed haha.

Rpeg
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.06.09 23:12:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: Rpeg on 09/06/2010 23:12:02
it's almost a slightly passive income and has promise.

Discrodia
Gallente
Symbiosis International
Moose Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.09 23:16:00 - [66]
 

I don't understand the hate. I find PI pretty fun (moreso than station spinning) and the production chains and everything, though a bit headache-y, are fun enough.

7/10 for this one. (Let's get Incarna sometime soon, m'kay?)

Scrobes
Posted - 2010.06.09 23:42:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
I know you may not consider me a player but I do play EVE Laughing and I have to say I am enjoying the Planetary Interaction as it currently stands. It isn't my primary source of income and so far i've jut lost money on it but I'm having tons of fun. In fact I got yelled at by my wife for getting up in the middle of a movie to "go to the bathroom" when she found out I was checking out new planets!

It was worth it, some of my extractors had timed out. Twisted Evil


Which movie? Surprised

Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2010.06.09 23:44:00 - [68]
 

I can believe they made such a pour expansion.

I am not sure if it is just me but what I like a lot in this (PI) type of games is upgrades.you know, you build something like an extractor and it works and it gets you resources. then you upgrade the thing and it looks more awesome and gets more resources. and then you upgrade the factory and it makes more stuff.
and after a while lots of things are upgraded and you feel like you have top of the line stuff and its awesome. and said upgrades take time, so you invest, and feel proud of said colony.
but then again, maybe its just me...but the whole deal looks halfased...

there is no upgrading here, just lots of clicks :(
not only that, if you wish to upgrade your centre you have to delete everything...or there is a way and I just haven't found it yet.

also what's the deal with being able to place extractors so close together. you should not be able to place extractors so close to other people or even yourself...or at least they should steal from each-other. or deplete resources or something.
course maybe they already do, or will start to before dust hits. there needs to be a reason for me to kick the other guy off my
planet. there needs to be pvp...that's eve.
and also you made a big point of dust how I will get his stuff after the troops beat him up. but right now extractors and factories are very cheap, and there is no incentive in getting his infrastructure.

I don't know...I guess we expected more from you guys.

Ekrid
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2010.06.09 23:49:00 - [69]
 

Edited by: Ekrid on 10/06/2010 00:06:42

Originally by: Grez
You asked a few people, that doesn't mean you asked 100% of EVE.

Regardless, CCP are expanding on their vision of their game.

If you don't like PI, don't use it.


lol @ this ******.

Every idiot who think's they're being clever says "if you dont like it dont use it".

well I got news for you. the reason they could implement this is because we pay their salary. so Im supposed to pay for something Im not using and be okay with that?

Look at what CCP removed because "It wasn't cost effective".
Classic CLient.
Medium SHader.
Widescreen.

I and a large amount of others used all three of these functions in their lifetime. but they got removed. should we add these back into the game because of your mentality that we should pay for what we don't use?

NOWHERE did anyon complain about these additions taking up their money to support them, but if anyone did, I'd be the first in line to say "if you don't like it, dont use it, and oh yeah keep paying so CCP can make it for us who do use it", if only in response to asinine posts like this who tell us not to use something we're paying for. CCP REMOVED CONTENT WE WERE PAYING FOR AND NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT, AND ADDS CONTENT PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT, BUT PEOPLE POST "LOL I R HURR DURR, DONT USE IF U DONT LIKE IT". Get a ****ing clue.

I would be perfectly fine paying money to give you what you want, but apparently a lot of other people (including me) dont get the same treatment from CCP.

Originally by: pmchem
Edited by: pmchem on 09/06/2010 20:51:45
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
It isn't my primary source of income and so far i've jut lost money on it but I'm having tons of fun.


If you've lost money on it, then I'll assume you haven't been exploiting npc buy/sell orders and your losing money is pretty much the "working as intended" result.

oh and this will not change for months on many items because whoops, cheap stockpiles



this.

Herateis
Posted - 2010.06.10 00:05:00 - [70]
 

Edited by: Herateis on 10/06/2010 00:15:11
Im just going to troll DUST 514 players all day long with scams from my ship in orbit in protest.


I hope PI does just as well and gets just as fleshed out as faction warfare and cosmos. Honest. Given CCP's track record with new content releases, all this complaining about PI is unfounded. they'll let it rot away eventually and it will change nothing, except that they added one more useless thing to the game.

Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2010.06.10 00:17:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Discrodia
(Let's get Incarna sometime soon, m'kay?)


well no. or at least we need a new big thing.

see CCP is all about promises, and lots of people play because...the game has potential. they cant just release incarna, they need something else to keep us fixed after they release it.

cant be bothered to search for the post so I could quote, but a dev said something along the lines of "for the winter expansion we are working hard to bring you something incarna related".

see its not incarna...its something incarna related. CCP is a great drug dealer, they give you just the right amount to keep you hooked. we wont be getting incarna, will be getting something to keep us playing until a little more of it is released, so the vicious cycle repeats once more.

and fear not dear players, once all of incarna is released, we will be already craving for the next big promise.
how does that joke about CCP devs go again?

Laendra
Universalis Imperium
Posted - 2010.06.10 01:26:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
I know you may not consider me a player but I do play EVE Laughing and I have to say I am enjoying the Planetary Interaction as it currently stands. It isn't my primary source of income and so far i've jut lost money on it but I'm having tons of fun. In fact I got yelled at by my wife for getting up in the middle of a movie to "go to the bathroom" when she found out I was checking out new planets!

It was worth it, some of my extractors had timed out. Twisted Evil


One of the things that I have found missing from PI is the ability to have CORP planetary assets....you know, launch x amount of command centers per xyz skill of the CEO for the Corp, and certain roles have the ability to place, modify and maintain Corp PI....

Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.06.10 02:00:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
In fact I got yelled at by my wife for getting up in the middle of a movie to "go to the bathroom" when she found out I was checking out new planets!

It was worth it, some of my extractors had timed out. Twisted Evil


Sigh

and people wonder about the divorce rate

GET OFF THE FORUMS AND GO GRIND REP WITH THE WIFE!

Dogen Myestic
Posted - 2010.06.10 05:05:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Ekrid
Edited by: Ekrid on 10/06/2010 00:06:42

Originally by: Grez
You asked a few people, that doesn't mean you asked 100% of EVE.

Regardless, CCP are expanding on their vision of their game.

If you don't like PI, don't use it.


lol @ this ******.

Every idiot who think's they're being clever says "if you dont like it dont use it".

well I got news for you. the reason they could implement this is because we pay their salary. so Im supposed to pay for something Im not using and be okay with that?


The cool thing is you're not paying for it. Its a free expansion. They could quite reasonably ask you to keep paying for the game in its current state (see every other commercial MMO with paid expansions).

Fact is my friend, they don't charge for the expansions. You're not paying to use it. Seems to me that...

If you don't like PI, don't use it!

mkmin
Posted - 2010.06.10 05:52:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Dogen Myestic
Originally by: Ekrid
Edited by: Ekrid on 10/06/2010 00:06:42

Originally by: Grez
You asked a few people, that doesn't mean you asked 100% of EVE.

Regardless, CCP are expanding on their vision of their game.

If you don't like PI, don't use it.


lol @ this ******.

Every idiot who think's they're being clever says "if you dont like it dont use it".

well I got news for you. the reason they could implement this is because we pay their salary. so Im supposed to pay for something Im not using and be okay with that?


The cool thing is you're not paying for it. Its a free expansion. They could quite reasonably ask you to keep paying for the game in its current state (see every other commercial MMO with paid expansions).

Fact is my friend, they don't charge for the expansions. You're not paying to use it. Seems to me that...

If you don't like PI, don't use it!


Like hell we aren't paying for expansions. My $15 per month pays for expansions, multiplied by 300,000 or so accounts = $4.5 mil per month * 6 months = CCP got paid almost $30 mil to make such a lame, broken expansion. Or, let's compare it to how much we pay for the MMOs where you pay for an expansion without a monthly fee... $15 X 6 months = $90. Going rate for non-MMOs are $60-70 when they are new, state of the art, polished, and preferably complete. Don't dare tell me that I'm not paying for expansions, because not only have I been paying my $90 per expansion, I've been paying for multiple accounts. This has been the expansion that's made me realize CCP is a joke, and EVE is CCP's joke on all of us. For me it's now a matter of seeing if CCP will take us and our $30 mill per expansion seriously before I resub my accounts.

Also, on topic: CCP never said PI would be fun. They just said it'd let Dusters into the game so we can watch them have fun.

Xartarous
Caldari
pSyChOTIC CareBears
Posted - 2010.06.10 05:56:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: mkmin
Originally by: Dogen Myestic
Originally by: Ekrid
Edited by: Ekrid on 10/06/2010 00:06:42

Originally by: Grez
You asked a few people, that doesn't mean you asked 100% of EVE.

Regardless, CCP are expanding on their vision of their game.

If you don't like PI, don't use it.


lol @ this ******.

Every idiot who think's they're being clever says "if you dont like it dont use it".

well I got news for you. the reason they could implement this is because we pay their salary. so Im supposed to pay for something Im not using and be okay with that?


The cool thing is you're not paying for it. Its a free expansion. They could quite reasonably ask you to keep paying for the game in its current state (see every other commercial MMO with paid expansions).

Fact is my friend, they don't charge for the expansions. You're not paying to use it. Seems to me that...

If you don't like PI, don't use it!


Like hell we aren't paying for expansions. My $15 per month pays for expansions, multiplied by 300,000 or so accounts = $4.5 mil per month * 6 months = CCP got paid almost $30 mil to make such a lame, broken expansion. Or, let's compare it to how much we pay for the MMOs where you pay for an expansion without a monthly fee... $15 X 6 months = $90. Going rate for non-MMOs are $60-70 when they are new, state of the art, polished, and preferably complete. Don't dare tell me that I'm not paying for expansions, because not only have I been paying my $90 per expansion, I've been paying for multiple accounts. This has been the expansion that's made me realize CCP is a joke, and EVE is CCP's joke on all of us. For me it's now a matter of seeing if CCP will take us and our $30 mill per expansion seriously before I resub my accounts.

Also, on topic: CCP never said PI would be fun. They just said it'd let Dusters into the game so we can watch them have fun.


Argh! just STFU Rolling Eyes

Serpents smile
Posted - 2010.06.10 05:57:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Lol. Tamagotchi indeed haha.


Right on the button. PI is nothing more and nothing less then a たまごっち.
Well it is less since it cannot die (yet).

Bellum Eternus
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.06.10 06:34:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Serpents smile
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Lol. Tamagotchi indeed haha.


Right on the button. PI is nothing more and nothing less then a たまごっち.
Well it is less since it cannot die (yet).


The funny (or not so funny really) thing is that I made a little tongue in cheek post a while back proclaiming that PI was the Eve equivalent of Tamagotchi and everyone flamed me and told me what a bad person I am for "complaining" about something that "wasn't even out yet". And yet here we are, aren't we?

My major issue with PI is this: CCP has totally screwed up the delivery and integration of the systems between Eve, Dust514 and it's interface- PI.

Dust is probably waaaay behind schedule and won't be released for another year or so. It definitely won't be ready for a winter 2010 release or even a spring 2011 release. And it most certainly won't be released ready to roll and 100% integrated with Eve when it comes out. The first release will most likely feel like an 'alpha' release due to all the bugs and integration issues that are sure to crop up.

The problem here is that PI stuff in Eve won't be able to be destroyed until Dust is finally implemented, years behind schedule and with half the features originally planned. This isn't good for Eve.

Dust should be completed and THEN the interface between the two games should be designed and implemented once Dust is COMPLETELY finished and off the ground/launched and well received by the console crowd. Any other effort on the part of the Eve side of the design is a waste of time until Dust is finally realized. They're putting the cart before the horse and probably doing more harm than good in the long run to Eve.

Everyone says that Eve will work and PI will work without Dust, in the case that it fails. Oh really? Then how are we going to be able to destroy PI stuff without dust? And if we are, then why do we need Dust at all?

As for PI doing 'damage' to Eve in the long term: just look at the botched introduction of PI with the NPC sell orders etc. I'm all for putting NPC items in the hands of players to manufacture, but let's not create yet another system where items will be farmed into virtual worthlessness by hordes of high sec players with a virtual free ride and complete safety with no possible option for an opposing player to destroy their assets.

I don't understand why more people don't have a problem with this. It's poor planning on CCP's part.

Kendar
Gallente
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.06.10 07:00:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Ekrid
Edited by: Ekrid on 10/06/2010 00:06:42

Originally by: Grez
You asked a few people, that doesn't mean you asked 100% of EVE.

Regardless, CCP are expanding on their vision of their game.

If you don't like PI, don't use it.


lol @ this ******.

Every idiot who think's they're being clever says "if you dont like it dont use it".

well I got news for you. the reason they could implement this is because we pay their salary. so Im supposed to pay for something Im not using and be okay with that?

Look at what CCP removed because "It wasn't cost effective".
Classic CLient.
Medium SHader.
Widescreen.

I and a large amount of others used all three of these functions in their lifetime. but they got removed. should we add these back into the game because of your mentality that we should pay for what we don't use?

NOWHERE did anyon complain about these additions taking up their money to support them, but if anyone did, I'd be the first in line to say "if you don't like it, dont use it, and oh yeah keep paying so CCP can make it for us who do use it", if only in response to asinine posts like this who tell us not to use something we're paying for. CCP REMOVED CONTENT WE WERE PAYING FOR AND NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT, AND ADDS CONTENT PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT, BUT PEOPLE POST "LOL I R HURR DURR, DONT USE IF U DONT LIKE IT". Get a ****ing clue.

I would be perfectly fine paying money to give you what you want, but apparently a lot of other people (including me) dont get the same treatment from CCP.

Originally by: pmchem
Edited by: pmchem on 09/06/2010 20:51:45
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
It isn't my primary source of income and so far i've jut lost money on it but I'm having tons of fun.


If you've lost money on it, then I'll assume you haven't been exploiting npc buy/sell orders and your losing money is pretty much the "working as intended" result.

oh and this will not change for months on many items because whoops, cheap stockpiles



this.


You seem mad, mabye quiting is a option?

DRACO selen
The Executives
IT Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.10 07:18:00 - [80]
 

- requires alot of time
- profit is next to nothing
- people will not use it, because ratting in lowsec is more isk
- ccp will remove tradegoods from npc orders
- markets will crash

hello PI.

Cyberman Mastermind
Posted - 2010.06.10 07:41:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Dogen Myestic
The cool thing is you're not paying for it. Its a free expansion.

I seriously start to think people who say that should be flogged in public.

How could it possibly be NOT a "free" expansion? Eve is "one server, one universe", remember?
Creating an expansion that is only available to those who pay extra would rather ruin that, no?

Besides, we're paying constantly, nothing is free. We're forced to buy expansion rather than them being free.

Musical Fist
Gallente
NAP Coalition
Posted - 2010.06.10 08:30:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
I know you may not consider me a player but I do play EVE Laughing and I have to say I am enjoying the Planetary Interaction as it currently stands. It isn't my primary source of income and so far i've jut lost money on it but I'm having tons of fun. In fact I got yelled at by my wife for getting up in the middle of a movie to "go to the bathroom" when she found out I was checking out new planets!

It was worth it, some of my extractors had timed out. Twisted Evil


You mean CCP have to farm their own ISK but get paid RL cash for it Shocked

Remove NPC orders, 3 days of damage so far, just look at the buy / sell order history on trade goods (robotics and p2 items to make robotics for example) its INSANE

Plus you should split NPC items (bought too) into 2 categories

1 - The ones bought of the market which CANT be used in PI buildings BUT for a short time can work in poses etc
2 - The PI ones which can work in PoSes and can be sold

The stockpile data shows billions being exploited and killing PI only minutes after CCs were seeded, surely CCPs intentions werent to allow this to happen again :P

Sade Onyx
Posted - 2010.06.10 08:36:00 - [83]
 

I expected more from you Bellum.

you damn well know peoples response is going to be purely financial. Indeed, its passive income so the actual reward itself is completely irrelevant, (since its in addition to everyones income, not a replacement) but your typical short sighted eve player cant comprehend this.

No response I've seen here really says what they think of the system, more like what they think about the rewards!

And, it seems you haven't been asking players in local, seems you've just asked one player ., yea, a great cross section of the eve community Bellum, this gives an accurate representation of the overall opinion!.... NOT! Rolling Eyes


So... since when did you employ yourself as the forums chief troll baiter?

Taran Seikar
Posted - 2010.06.10 09:19:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: Taran Seikar on 10/06/2010 09:22:32
Edited by: Taran Seikar on 10/06/2010 09:21:47
Originally by: Sade Onyx
I expected more from you Bellum.

you damn well know peoples response is going to be purely financial. Indeed, its passive income so the actual reward itself is completely irrelevant, (since its in addition to everyones income, not a replacement) but your typical short sighted eve player cant comprehend this.

No response I've seen here really says what they think of the system, more like what they think about the rewards!

And, it seems you haven't been asking players in local, seems you've just asked one player ., yea, a great cross section of the eve community Bellum


Originally by: Sade Onyx
this gives an accurate representation of the overall opinion!.... NOT! Rolling Eyes?


You want to talk about the system? Whats there to talk about? This ist hardly Sim City or Industry Giant. It's some monochrome icons (not even 3d, except one at a time, when you click on them)that you spend a tedious few minutes every day/every 5 hours clicking, to further click the same buttons every day/5h.

It isn't the immersive experience I would have liked it to be, but that's ok. I really looked forward to it and as long as I can make a profit from it, I don't mind that it's a pretty basic system. They'll improve it over time, right?
It's only... how did you express it? "I'm making a profit from PI that compensates me for all the tedious clicking and hauling I have to do for it!.... NOT!"

I'm sure there are people who find it relaxing and fun, clicking those same extractor buttons day in day out and PI in it's current form will be great fun for them, but that was hardly the intended scope for PI, was it? You should do it to produce stuff to sell, not only because it's fun. It's like they added 1 ISK sell orders for tritanium from the start and claimed people could still mine "for the fun of it"

This was (almost) the entire content of a whole expansion. 0.0 Sov warfare depends on it. Not only for the towers and fuel, but for sov structures as well. T2 producers are dependent on it.

Are the people that do it for fun really enough to depend on for all these other players?

You need the people that are in it for the money. otherwise you can't hope to match demand.

The problem with that is that there isn't any money in doing it as intended right now and for the foreseeable future.

Everything is bought up in the hundreds of millions. My corp alone has stockpiled enough POS fuel to last us over a year. If you try to sell right now, you have to compete with ridiculously low NPC orders.

What was the genius plan with those anyway? "We'll let the npc orders fill demand so players can get their systems working to take over in 2 weeks"?
How about a little economy 101?

0 Demand to be filled = 0 production of goods for that demand

First it's the npc orders that take away all demand, later it will be the stockpiled stuff, that is going to be in roughly the same pricerange due to the massive competition.

Who in their right mind would produce anything now, if you can't make money with it for at least half a year?
I always hear people claim "I'll just put it in storage and in half a year, I'll sell it for profit"
Guess what everyone else will be doing! So then we seamlessly transition from huge bought up stockpiles to huge built stockpiles. Demand is satisfied from those, so no profit again in making new stuff.

PI is massively prenerfed in true CCP fashion. I really wanted to like it. I looked forward to it from it's first mention on. But the bland interface (seriously, why aren't the buildings in 3d?), the tedious clicking and the complete absence of redeeming profit makes it unplayable.

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2010.06.10 09:32:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Cailais
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Cailais


All we need now are 29 more people to also like it and Bellums survey is looking wobbly! Cool

C.


He asked people across 30 systems, not just 30 people.


Ah, sorry my bad. 30 systems? Er, doesnt sound very scientific to me. Anyway I still like it.

C.



And he posted the replies from 5 people.

BTW: I like PI. An isk sink for now, but it has great potentials and even at the current level it is interesting.

And it encourage industry PvP.

Steve Celeste
Overdogs
Posted - 2010.06.10 10:24:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: mkmin
Also, on topic: CCP never said PI would be fun. They just said it'd let Dusters into the game so we can watch them have fun.
Very Happy

Rejka
Posted - 2010.06.10 10:37:00 - [87]
 

I like PI a lot. I honestly believe it is one of the best EVE expansions ever released so far. Of course it will need to prove its real value once the NPC orders are removed and the economy reaches a normal balance, but the concept and the implementation for what I have seen is really excellent and I can only hope that this is expanded even further in the future.

Many of you might be complaining now, but in a few weeks you will see how many people will be enjoying this feature, probably more people of the ones using T3 stuff or wormholes.

What many players would need to accept, is that not every expansion can appeal them, and this is because of the multirole / multiactivity nature of eve.

I don't complain every time they work on the PvP aspect, you shouldn't complain when they improve the industry side of EVE, and in general when they introduce new features

Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2010.06.10 10:45:00 - [88]
 

It has long term potential.

However it looks like the greatest benefits are in cooperation not solo producing.

Early on we have to work through folks stockpiles, build necessary infrastructure, then pressure CCP to remove the NPCs goods.

I figure half the folks that try it will quit in 2 months. I wish there was an extraction option for 168 hours to help accomadate vacations.

Zartrader
Posted - 2010.06.10 10:58:00 - [89]
 

Edited by: Zartrader on 10/06/2010 11:00:15


PI is fine, could do with a few interface tweaks though:

For those that don't want to use it, then don't. Not all content should be geared towards what one person wants and its dumb to think it should be. I'm already unhappy with all the heavy Nul sec bias in the CSM. In the last minutes there was not one proposal that had anything to do with what I want to see. Waste of time. The last expansion did almost nothing for me at all.

For those that think sell orders would have been removed. Well, of course they couldn't be. PI will take a week or two to be established and there could have been a very bad bug introduced. If that means profiteering or overstocking then so what? The market will right itself in the end as all production is consumed, its nothing like the reprocess error as Outposts and Pos's are mainly fixed assets with a very high value.

For those who say it's not worth it. Well, not all of us play for ISK all the time. If we did, PVP would die. Not being worth it is irrelevant right now anyway. It will take several months before things settle and a proper market is established. If needed, CCP can adjust at that time. To do so before then would not be a good idea.

People need to stop jumping on the 'I told you so' band wagon as PI is far from settled or stable. Give is a month or two and then complaints will be valid.

It does need a LOT of additions to it and CCP will have to come good on those promises, until then I'm happy with what there is and I'll reserve final judgement until then.


Marmios
Rim Collection RC
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.06.10 11:28:00 - [90]
 

Edited by: Marmios on 10/06/2010 11:32:57
Edited by: Marmios on 10/06/2010 11:29:17
Posting such thread after 2 days and not even taking into account, that the npc sell orders are still messing the prices up leaves me thinking that you BE are:


1) a damn noob, who doesnt have a clue how long it takes until new features actually have their full effect on the game (3 - 12 Months)

or

2) You are a stupid attention *****, who knows hes talking ****.


EDIT: Surveying random people in local is ultra pr0!


i tend to 2).

BE. you are a stupid idiot.


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