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Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.06.09 02:31:00 - [91]
 

I absolutely agree. The complete elimination of alts and multiple accounts would be the single best change that could be made to the game. I also realize it'll never happen.

Shiho Weitong
Caldari
Koa Mai Hoku
Posted - 2010.06.09 02:42:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Gladys Pank
I will be opening a sixth account in honour of this thread.


OMG! Shocked

I'm only opening my 5th. ugh

I feel hopelessly behind. Cool

And to the guy talking plexes and jobbing: I make more than enough for 4 plexes a month on passive income alone.

Jason Babbage
Posted - 2010.06.09 02:50:00 - [93]
 

To me Eve is an MMO-RPG/RTS.

You don't play Age of Empires with just one archer do you?

I don't think more than one accounts is required, but for certain styles of game play it can make things more interesting.

I just wish CCP would let us control our multiple accounts with the same client. I really hate all the alt-tabbing :-(

Shawshanke
Posted - 2010.06.09 04:58:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: GoGo Rens
Why would you waste so much time posting about something that will never change.
Obviously ccp are not going to suddenly wipe out 50% of their income by banning half the accounts that people pay for and therefore their income.. Not including all the others who would then quit their main character as well.


Because I like to troll the forums between missions.

Traspace
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2010.06.09 05:56:00 - [95]
 

Isn't the basic idea of EVE that of a sandbox, you can reach for the stars and beyond doing what you will...until one of these friendly pirates wants your cargo :p

If someone wants to be a carebear they should have that right.

Lilith Order
Amarr
Space Mermaids
Posted - 2010.06.09 06:34:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Kyra Felann
I absolutely agree. The complete elimination of alts and multiple accounts would be the single best change that could be made to the game. I also realize it'll never happen.


Kill multi boxing and U'K goes from 1200 to 12. Ok maybe 120. I'm sure a few -A- would put token 55K chars in there.

OP: Orca envy?

dankness420
Posted - 2010.06.09 06:52:00 - [97]
 

I have 5 accounts but I can really only effectively handle two in combat at once.

Even then, I am nowhere near as effective as two actual players. Like people say, you dont get an extra pair of eyes and arms!

Sidewayzracer
Caldari
Advocated-Destruction
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2010.06.09 07:08:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
Also, if alts were removed from the game, I'd not be posting here.


Quick Ban them all

Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
Posted - 2010.06.09 07:27:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Selene D'Celeste
CCP is among the most progressive of all MMOs to date. The combination of encouraging multiple accounts, character selling, and GTC/PLEX purchases is really a powerful combo in terms of their income.


I don't disagree but character selling is really against everything RPG stands for.
But well, we are our ships anyway .. I hope walking in stations may change that a little.

@OP: I agree but it is never ever going to happen.

Khors
El Barco Pirata
Posted - 2010.06.09 07:34:00 - [100]
 

But, but... who would I post with?! Neutral

JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2010.06.09 07:39:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Lilith Order
Originally by: Kyra Felann
I absolutely agree. The complete elimination of alts and multiple accounts would be the single best change that could be made to the game. I also realize it'll never happen.


Kill multi boxing and U'K goes from 1200 to 12. Ok maybe 120. I'm sure a few -A- would put token 55K chars in there.

OP: Orca envy?


Likely have an effect far beyond that.

I'm not sure if it's this way beyond my circle of friends, but I often find myself the minority by having only one active account.

Fikreta
Posted - 2010.06.09 07:52:00 - [102]
 

Well, thanks everyone for your comments. Some are very good and the rest are just proving what I already knew: EVE is soft. Sadly, some of you guys are acting like a bunch of little whining carebears scared even to think about alternative to this fluffy mess we dare to call 'a hardcore MMO game'. It's funny because honestly, all anti-SCS (single character/server) arguments I've seen are basically coming to this one: "it's easier with alts". What an irony.

Yes, I'm aware that CCP is not going to touch our precious easy game mode tickets called alts, ever, so don't be afraid that things might become a little bit rougher and (OMG!) complicated some day - they won't. Alt zergs are bringing them way too much money. Disabling multiaccounting -a bold move which would REALLY make this game what it falsely pretends to be- would also make their Almighty God of Holy Profit angry and that's where this story ultimately ends.

So let us all relax and carry on with our daily carebear routines. Highsec, lowsec, 0.0, it doesn't make any difference.

Just don't forget to fire up another client or two because we want our easy portion of fun and instant gratification which would be oh so much tougher to earn with single character.

Potato IQ
Posted - 2010.06.09 09:51:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Fikreta
because we want our easy portion of fun and instant gratification


Well….yes actually. You do realise it’s simply a game that offers a change from the real world for a while. You do, don’t you?

Silly person

Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
Posted - 2010.06.09 10:39:00 - [104]
 

Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 09/06/2010 10:42:12
Originally by: Fikreta
Sadly, some of you guys are acting like a bunch of little whining carebears scared even to think about alternative to this fluffy mess we dare to call 'a hardcore MMO game'. It's funny because honestly, all anti-SCS (single character/server) arguments I've seen are basically coming to this one: "it's easier with alts".

Why is carebearing and multi-accounting the same?
Talking about hardcore - what about permadeath? The only true form of hardcore. It will definitely bring a whole new dimension to EVE.

My reason for multi accounts is that the skillqueue is too long to be able to train more professions within a reasonable timeframe. I don't know what I'll be doing in 5 years but I'm not betting on it that I'll still be playing EVE. A 25 year time requirement to enjoy and experience all aspects of a game on one character is a bit over the top imo.

Originally by: Fikreta
easy portion of fun and instant gratification which would be oh so much tougher to earn with single character.

EVE and instant gratification - isn't that a Contradictio in terminis? Have you ever played other games at all?

Still I do agree that no alts would be great but I don't agree with all your arguments.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.06.09 11:30:00 - [105]
 

I have sold/biomassed the alt's I had. Now I only have three mains left. Laughing

Hanneshannes
Posted - 2010.06.09 11:35:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Ana Vyr
I agree with the OP.

I refuse to buy a second account despite the self-nerfing it causes, just on principle.

To me, you should be able to be as effective as anyone else in the game with only a single personal account. My industry corp mates laugh their asses off at me for this stance as they merrily run two Hulks and a Orca per player.

45 bucks a month to play a MMO seems way over the top to me. Shrug.


There are more expensive hobbies.

Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
Posted - 2010.06.09 11:40:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Mashie Saldana
I have sold/biomassed the alt's I had. Now I only have three mains left. Laughing

That and an appreciation of Peter F Hamilton Wink

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.06.09 11:42:00 - [108]
 

…and while people are jabbering away about the pros and cons and reasons and counter-arguments for this kind of change, I'd still like to know how on earth it would be done?

How do you keep people from having alts?
How do you separate two persons with one character each from one person with two characters?

A problem isn't a problem if it cannot be solved — otherwise, it's just a fact of life.

Dravius Luxor
Minmatar
Independent Galactic Network
Posted - 2010.06.09 12:57:00 - [109]
 

Please CCP, delete these forums. Or stop reading them.

BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2010.06.09 13:50:00 - [110]
 

Edited by: BrundleMeth on 09/06/2010 13:55:24
So because you can't afford a second account no one should get one... I have 4 and wouldn't play with only 1. So there goes $700.00 a year from one person. Like CCP would ever do this... Whiner... Besides, it would be likely be impossible anyway or if it was it would cost too much to make any sense...



Originally by: Fikreta
Well, thanks everyone for your comments. Some are very good and the rest are just proving what I already knew: EVE is soft. Sadly, some of you guys are acting like a bunch of little whining carebears scared even to think about alternative to this fluffy mess we dare to call 'a hardcore MMO game'. It's funny because honestly, all anti-SCS (single character/server) arguments I've seen are basically coming to this one: "it's easier with alts". What an irony.

Yes, I'm aware that CCP is not going to touch our precious easy game mode tickets called alts, ever, so don't be afraid that things might become a little bit rougher and (OMG!) complicated some day - they won't. Alt zergs are bringing them way too much money. Disabling multiaccounting -a bold move which would REALLY make this game what it falsely pretends to be- would also make their Almighty God of Holy Profit angry and that's where this story ultimately ends.

So let us all relax and carry on with our daily carebear routines. Highsec, lowsec, 0.0, it doesn't make any difference.

Just don't forget to fire up another client or two because we want our easy portion of fun and instant gratification which would be oh so much tougher to earn with single character.
Blah, blah blah... What a goofball, it's just a game ffs. And you are like so many other people on this board. Attack people who don't agree with you because of course you MUST be correct in your opinion...

And if you have decided that CCP won't do anything anyway what is the point of your whole moronic drivel???

Ana Vyr
Caldari
Posted - 2010.06.09 14:00:00 - [111]
 

Edited by: Ana Vyr on 09/06/2010 14:00:37
Originally by: Tippia
…and while people are jabbering away about the pros and cons and reasons and counter-arguments for this kind of change, I'd still like to know how on earth it would be done?

How do you keep people from having alts?
How do you separate two persons with one character each from one person with two characters?

A problem isn't a problem if it cannot be solved — otherwise, it's just a fact of life.


They could open up the other two characters on the account you already have for starters, so that they could be played and trained simultaneously. Sure, some folks (probably most) would still have multiple accounts, but the advantage would be less noticeable.

Hon Dao
Posted - 2010.06.09 15:32:00 - [112]
 

Edited by: Hon Dao on 09/06/2010 15:32:39
To further discuss an issue touched on here:

Originally by: Hanneshannes
Originally by: Ana Vyr
45 bucks a month to play a MMO seems way over the top to me. Shrug.


There are more expensive hobbies.


And here:

Originally by: Jennifer Fenring
My reason for multi accounts is that the skillqueue is too long to be able to train more professions within a reasonable timeframe. I don't know what I'll be doing in 5 years but I'm not betting on it that I'll still be playing EVE. A 25 year time requirement to enjoy and experience all aspects of a game on one character is a bit over the top imo.



There's no real difference between buying a premade character to get skill points quicker, or buying a second account on which to gain a second set of skillpoints. However, I don't see anyone complaining about PLEX and character trading.

And as for the cost? No, running several accounts in an MMO is not a particularly expensive hobby. I've had to give up others that I spent less time on, because they were outside the confines of my budget, and yet I can multibox 5 wow accounts, and have just started EVE with 2.

I too only added a second account when I discovered the limitation of a single skill queue per account. I don't want to be limited to training just one specialisation for the first few months, when that is the time I really wnat to be exploring my options in the game.


I don't see any reason (just a lot of ignorant prejudice), as to why dedicating more time, money and effort to an MMO video game should be considered any different from doing the same in any other hobby. It's entertainment. It doesn't provide any real benefit to society because it's a frivolous time sink. So how is it that MMOs are any different from having a greater interest in, for example, going to the cinema? Some people go occasionally, others have season tickets (add in the costs of transport, and food and drink, and even something as everyday as that is probably more costly than multiboxing an MMO).

Then we come onto those who go so far as to say any over average interest in an MMO is actually addiction. I could say there are more people 'addicted' to watching TV, supporting a sports team, cycling, or horseriding than there are to MMOs. The MMO players only spend more time doing it (than everyone except the TV watcher), because sitting down at a computer in your own home, is more convenient. Especially considering all the other things you can do on the computer, while playing an MMO.

What I choose to do with my free time is of no concern to anyone, no matter how much they may think they have a right, to dictate what others should do.

Ramiera DaMorre
Posted - 2010.06.09 15:50:00 - [113]
 

Edited by: Ramiera DaMorre on 09/06/2010 15:49:42
Originally by: Hanneshannes


There are more expensive hobbies.


Confirming this.
I'm collecting and painting Warhammer 40k and Fantasy miniatures... and plushies.
Eve is practically for free.

Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
Posted - 2010.06.09 16:09:00 - [114]
 

Personally...if someone want to multi-box, etc...let them, its thier money. I have a single account and could care less what other players do. I enjoy EvE for what it is....a game (hello...did we all get that?).



Hon Dao
Posted - 2010.06.09 16:15:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Ramiera DaMorre
Confirming this.
I'm collecting and painting Warhammer 40k and Fantasy miniatures... and plushies.
Eve is practically for free.


Hehe, I gave that one up when I was about 16 (after about 5 years of it being my main hobby). I then had enough money to buy my own computer to play FPS games on. And when I stopped keeping my computer up to date to play FPS games, I found I could not only afford the subscription MMOs I'd been avoiding, but actually afford several subscriptions.

EVE is different from the others, in that if you put more into it, it can actually become free. Multi-accounting is probably the best way to do that.

Eelis Kiy
Gallente
Shadows Of The Federation
ShadowWolves.net
Posted - 2010.06.09 16:24:00 - [116]
 

Edited by: Eelis Kiy on 09/06/2010 16:25:29



How would you even determine an alt account was an alt account and not someones spouse/partner/child/fluffbuddy/whatever that they are also paying for and share an IP addy with?

omgfreemoniez
Posted - 2010.06.09 16:42:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: Digital Solaris


To be honest, I am happy that I can afford multiple accounts so I won't have to rely on a bunch of madly jealous neurotic asshats for stuff to be done. It is just not worth the time or the headache I'd get from dealing with one of you. As matter of fact, the next time CCP has another Power of Two deal, I plan to get my fifth account.



You speak like you aren't a neurotic asshat yourself, then...

Originally by: Digital Solaris

A harsh, cruel, cold and bitter truth for you right there. Suck on that fact along your whine and cheese whilst I will have more of your absolutely divine tears, like a fine wine, as they roll down your cheeks until they flow down into my empty glass.


ROFL

Ramiera DaMorre
Posted - 2010.06.09 17:03:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Hon Dao
Hehe, I gave that one up when I was about 16 (after about 5 years of it being my main hobby). I then had enough money to buy my own computer to play FPS games on. And when I stopped keeping my computer up to date to play FPS games, I found I could not only afford the subscription MMOs I'd been avoiding, but actually afford several subscriptions.



Hehe, I bought my first (severely outdated, but it was MINE!) PC at 16 too, but started getting into the miniature business only at 25. I doubt I'll ever give it up tho, putting dioramas together is too much fun.

Quote:
EVE is different from the others, in that if you put more into it, it can actually become free. Multi-accounting is probably the best way to do that.


Quite so and I'm glad for that since I could get a friend of mine into EVE by churning out the ISK for his plexes too. Rolling Eyes Damn, I'm being used! Evil or Very Mad

Hon Dao
Posted - 2010.06.09 17:05:00 - [119]
 

Edited by: Hon Dao on 09/06/2010 17:13:45
Originally by: omgfreemoniez
Originally by: Digital Solaris
To be honest, I am happy that I can afford multiple accounts so I won't have to rely on a bunch of madly jealous neurotic asshats for stuff to be done. It is just not worth the time or the headache I'd get from dealing with one of you.


You speak like you aren't a neurotic asshat yourself


I may well be a neurotic asshat, but at least I'm not jealous too ;)

Anyway, for the most part it seems I'm just logging in an extra account to look at while I read/post on forums. Although it does give me a second 'turntable' to do this on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_pg0SUkDwE

Diosas
Posted - 2010.06.09 17:21:00 - [120]
 

Edited by: Diosas on 09/06/2010 17:21:17
Multi accounts well you cant stop that and i dont think it should. If a person is willing to pay for another account then fine. However i think the OP mean, correct me if im wrong to remove alts as in extra chars on one account

of which to be honest i support. posting with my alt...oh yeah will stop alt posters too...probably clean up the forums alot too


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