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Kilrath Uskarl
Caldari
Advent Chaos Theory
KRYSIS.
Posted - 2010.06.07 07:15:00 - [61]
 

Great job guys! I had my isk on you and now I have more isk thanks to you

Carney Boy
Posted - 2010.06.07 08:29:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Noir Hellscream
i guess you missed the part where i apologized for smacking like i said i think i was just a little upset about the crappy commentary it felt to me like the commentators were tired and didnt really feel like doin what they asked to do but i dont know what was goin on in their heads maybe they had a bad weekend or something.... all im saying is that i think they could have done a better job in our fight


your post said nothing about the commentry and was just a smacky attack on your opponents so I don't accept that weak excuse. There is nothing worse in this life than an ungracious winner.

Noir Hellscream
Gallente
Clandestine Vector
Posted - 2010.06.07 08:46:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Noir Hellscream
im sorry i shouldnt be smacking you guysSad
maybe im just upset about the craptacular job the comentators did in our fight
you guys did bring quite a nice set up


Lrn to read the whole read the whole thread

Auracon
Sileo In Pacis
Posted - 2010.06.07 09:54:00 - [64]
 

All I'm reading is 'My name is Snatch Victory, and I fail. I should join AA because I drink and fly', and ofcourse 'my name is Minigin, and I PHAIL even moar, cause I'm not even trolling just making myself look like a 1v1 loosing forum rager'.

Nice job Pigs.

Oh and my money is on PL or those old bastarrds who chase kids off their lawn, to win the whole thing. Prove me wrong Smile

Detria
Omega Wing
Snatch Victory
Posted - 2010.06.07 12:33:00 - [65]
 

Funny how this thread got derailed. GF Police. ...and to my former mates in Snatch, better showing next match m'kay. Let Icas FC the next one.

Originally by: Firnas
"who is the damn CEO and FC around here, stfu..."


This is so Firnas it made me laugh.

Dee

Almagar Phog
Clandestine Vector
Posted - 2010.06.07 16:36:00 - [66]
 

Awww no more drama :(

Anyways, thanks for the posts guys, btw...when the hell are they releasing the Round 2 Schedule!

CursedEagle79
Wrecking Shots
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2010.06.07 16:45:00 - [67]
 

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Great setup Snatch, good fight as well. Congrats to The Space P0lice!!!

Commentators were horrid, detracted from the youtube video, but that's what muting it and going on vent is for YARRRR!!

Also, <3 Eve Uni and Sto Lo!!! Thanks for rooting for us, guys Very Happy

lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2010.06.07 17:12:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Auracon
Oh and my money is on PL or those old bastarrds who chase kids off their lawn, to win the whole thing. Prove me wrong Smile


OMG EAT MY POO Auracon Evil or Very Mad

polly pritypants
Gallente
Posted - 2010.06.08 04:28:00 - [69]
 

Edited by: polly pritypants on 08/06/2010 04:31:52
Originally by: Firnas
Ok. Admission time.

We had sentries ready to go. In fact, the discussion in vent leading up to countdown was how good this was going to work against the enemy fleet, especially the ravens.

That is where the CEO comes in. I'd been drinking scotch for a couple hours. We started match, I ordered the hammered deployment........ then after that Scimitar went down, I shot down the "deploy sentries?" question with a drunken "who is the damn CEO and FC around here, stfu and keep the hammerheads out to save time"


So bottom line, don't let drunken Loki pilot ceos fc. Seven of the eight guys knew what to do, but they listened to me.



I'm sure Firnas and there was all so a woodpecker on your shoulder tapping on your head making a home its that full of wood, and the same gos for mildly ******ed bunch of people that fly with you. You lost 2 alliance matches, just admit to it that you cant FC and and pilot exp that bhaalgorn you turned in to scrap. you rely on stations and neutral remote reps then skill just admit it and leave it at that, so the bottom line don't fly with a mentally challenged person like Firnas.

StFu JeRk
Posted - 2010.06.08 04:47:00 - [70]
 

GF Space police. Thanks for allowing my destroyer to linger on the playing field. Good luck in the rest of the tourny.

PS , we don't play station games unless the wt is glued to it and everyone uses RR so get over it.

polly pritypants
Gallente
Posted - 2010.06.08 05:14:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Caldari citizen456456456
GF Space police. Thanks for allowing my destroyer to linger on the playing field. Good luck in the rest of the tourny.

PS , we don't play station games unless the wt is glued to it and everyone uses RR so get over it.


it dose not bother me that you use rr im just saying yous cant win a far fight :P

Shade IX
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2010.06.08 07:11:00 - [72]
 

NEE WAAA NEEE WAAA pull over!

Well done lads

Detria
Omega Wing
Snatch Victory
Posted - 2010.06.09 15:06:00 - [73]
 

Edited by: Detria on 09/06/2010 15:06:45
Originally by: polly pritypants
Originally by: Caldari citizen456456456
GF Space police. Thanks for allowing my destroyer to linger on the playing field. Good luck in the rest of the tourny.

PS , we don't play station games unless the wt is glued to it and everyone uses RR so get over it.


it dose not bother me that you use rr im just saying yous cant win a far fight :P



I'd just like to say that I flew with Snatch for several months. I've never received Neutral Reps, I hate station games and I was in several fair and unfair (on both sides) fights. Get your facts straight before you open your pie hole ya meat poppet.

Amarr Supremacist
Posted - 2010.06.09 15:46:00 - [74]
 

:Minigin:

Raven God
Texas Inc.
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2010.06.09 22:23:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Noir Hellscream
Originally by: Massive Dragon
Originally by: Noir Hellscream
well you came for that 1v1 but you self destucted?
next time try to stay for the whole fight instead of taking the cowards way out
you mock me for having a point on my 1v1 ship?
well i mock you for not fitting a point.
[ 2010.06.07 05:33:49 ] (notify) Minigin has initiated self-destruct of their Rifter, it will explode in 120 seconds
nice job at failing


you litteraly never would have cracked my tank... that i was holding at lower shield than you really doesnt mean a loss in my book... if you are convinsed you outsmarted me then you can always try vs me in something more substantial than a kiting rifter.

i believe it was you who said "put up or shut up and come to hagilur for a 1v1 if you choose not and i wont blame you if you dont most people cower and wilt under the pressure of a 1v1" i let you chose what rules you wanted and what ships you wanted and bless your brave little soul you chose t1 frigs...

you then didnt even bother having a decent fight in them and chose instead to spend the better part of 20 mins orbiting at 17kms repeating "you will die eventually" despite never getting any further in my shields with ever reload. i tried to tell you to orbit at a closer range (still outside web range...) but you refused telling me to be patient.

as i said... i am more than happy to conceed defeat if you insist you won... but i have serious doubts you had the ammo to finish that fight.

like ive said before. if you are convinsed you outsmarted me and can do it again then by all means lets tango in something a little bigger than frigs. but like you said... most people cower and wilt under the pressure of a 1v1. whats the worst that could happen... i could self destruct again if you kite... although if you bring a decent setup we might actually get to finish the fight in a timely manner.

im yours!



you talk alot of crap
all i know is that you came,you saw,you got conquered
i would love to fight you again but im just afraid that you will choose to self destruct.you say i dont have the DPS to kill your ships with my set up but i have plenty of kill mails where i fought people that actualy are man enough to accept their own impending doom like a man and not take the cowardly way out by self destucting their ships.you think i dont bring heaps of ammo in my ships?again you are mistaken and if you hadnt taken the cowards way out you would have found that out



Gotta be honest here, you didnt really conquer anything :( I seems that you probably would never of killed him anyway, and I know from experience that those kiting 1v1's are pretty lame. Your pretty good at flying frigs i dont know why you just wouldnt go close range. Also when you ask for a 1v1 you really should commit atleast some of those faction frigs i know you have! I really love you guys but smacking someone this bad when he admitted defeat is pretty gay. You talk about being a man but your not man enough to make it a fair fight!

Omara Otawan
Posted - 2010.06.10 04:34:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Raven God

(...)

You talk about being a man but your not man enough to make it a fair fight!


Hmm, from what I read the other guy was in a overtanked shield rifter without a point.

Do you really think a fair fight means bringing a properly pvp fit rifter in close? Sounds like those battlecruiser pilots screaming foul play when they get kited by a vagabond, asking them to "man up and come closer".

He did the right thing maintaining range, exploiting the other fits weakness, there is a lot more to pvp than tank vs gank, in fact the most boring fights are those that turn out to be 2 ships shooting each other at point blank without any finesse or skill requirement.

Massive Dragon
Genos Occidere
Posted - 2010.06.10 05:16:00 - [77]
 

Edited by: Massive Dragon on 10/06/2010 05:24:13
Originally by: Omara Otawan
Originally by: Raven God

(...)

You talk about being a man but your not man enough to make it a fair fight!


Hmm, from what I read the other guy was in a overtanked shield rifter without a point.

Do you really think a fair fight means bringing a properly pvp fit rifter in close? Sounds like those battlecruiser pilots screaming foul play when they get kited by a vagabond, asking them to "man up and come closer".

He did the right thing maintaining range, exploiting the other fits weakness, there is a lot more to pvp than tank vs gank, in fact the most boring fights are those that turn out to be 2 ships shooting each other at point blank without any finesse or skill requirement.


classically kiting is used in regular pvp for a pretty straight forward reason. in regular day to day pvp there is no real reason to assume the other guy is only going to be alone. kiting allows for people to bail out of fights. it also usualy comes in a fast ship which gives you ability in roaming to catch ships that would otherwise get away from you.

typically in 1 v 1 you dont fit a warp disruptor because it is assumed that the other party will be sitting there till someone pops.

the only reason i could see fitting a point is if i believed i could not kill the target alone and would be calling in back up if it went **** up.

what frig 1 v 1 then becomes about is somewhere inside the ranges of 15(ish)km and 500m, the reason for this is pretty simple... if no one is running away thats the range where you get fits that require real thought. eg. possible neuts / scram / ab / webs all the real deciding factors in frig 1 v 1s

now i thought my fit was actually a pretty cunning plan taking all of this into account. i knew that anything not close range could not break my tank as well as being largely immune to cap issues. (of course i wasnt expecting the moron to bring a long range point and declare himself the victor because he wasnt letting me go despite obviously not having the damage to kill me) - by the same rules i could easily declare myself the winner... im just not that eager to gloat i won a t1 frig duel which really do ammount to little more than a slightly smarter version of scissors paper rock. (at least when all parties involved know enough about 1 v 1 to be trying to out think their opponent rather than bring their regular gang tackle ship)

anything close range i felt i had the right ballance of tank and dps to crack it nice and easy.

the irony of course is had i not put any thought into my setup and just gone in a normal auto rifter with mwd scram web and limited tank... this guy would be dead. but to do that one has to assume that the other pilot is also not thinking about his setup or the format of the pvp.

thus while i think your sentement of fitting points and kiting in pvp is justified in regular pvp i dont agree with it in solo 1 v 1 (particularly t1 frigs) because it shows a lack of faith in your own ingenuity, its really not playing to the strengths of the 1 v 1 format and its overall a very weak setup as i feel is proved by the fact that it cant break the tank of another t1 frig due to limited dps / tracking / range.


sp3cial forc3s
Sileo In Pacis
Posted - 2010.06.10 06:22:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Massive Dragon
Edited by: Massive Dragon on 10/06/2010 05:24:13
Originally by: Omara Otawan
Originally by: Raven God

(...)

You talk about being a man but your not man enough to make it a fair fight!


Hmm, from what I read the other guy was in a overtanked shield rifter without a point.

Do you really think a fair fight means bringing a properly pvp fit rifter in close? Sounds like those battlecruiser pilots screaming foul play when they get kited by a vagabond, asking them to "man up and come closer".

He did the right thing maintaining range, exploiting the other fits weakness, there is a lot more to pvp than tank vs gank, in fact the most boring fights are those that turn out to be 2 ships shooting each other at point blank without any finesse or skill requirement.


classically kiting is used in regular pvp for a pretty straight forward reason. in regular day to day pvp there is no real reason to assume the other guy is only going to be alone. kiting allows for people to bail out of fights. it also usualy comes in a fast ship which gives you ability in roaming to catch ships that would otherwise get away from you.

typically in 1 v 1 you dont fit a warp disruptor because it is assumed that the other party will be sitting there till someone pops.

the only reason i could see fitting a point is if i believed i could not kill the target alone and would be calling in back up if it went **** up.

what frig 1 v 1 then becomes about is somewhere inside the ranges of 15(ish)km and 500m, the reason for this is pretty simple... if no one is running away thats the range where you get fits that require real thought. eg. possible neuts / scram / ab / webs all the real deciding factors in frig 1 v 1s

now i thought my fit was actually a pretty cunning plan taking all of this into account. i knew that anything not close range could not break my tank as well as being largely immune to cap issues. (of course i wasnt expecting the moron to bring a long range point and declare himself the victor because he wasnt letting me go despite obviously not having the damage to kill me) - by the same rules i could easily declare myself the winner... im just not that eager to gloat i won a t1 frig duel which really do ammount to little more than a slightly smarter version of scissors paper rock. (at least when all parties involved know enough about 1 v 1 to be trying to out think their opponent rather than bring their regular gang tackle ship)

anything close range i felt i had the right ballance of tank and dps to crack it nice and easy.

the irony of course is had i not put any thought into my setup and just gone in a normal auto rifter with mwd scram web and limited tank... this guy would be dead. but to do that one has to assume that the other pilot is also not thinking about his setup or the format of the pvp.

thus while i think your sentement of fitting points and kiting in pvp is justified in regular pvp i dont agree with it in solo 1 v 1 (particularly t1 frigs) because it shows a lack of faith in your own ingenuity, its really not playing to the strengths of the 1 v 1 format and its overall a very weak setup as i feel is proved by the fact that it cant break the tank of another t1 frig due to limited dps / tracking / range.




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* Kiting ships only used so you can bail out quickly?????
* Turning up to a 1 vs 1 without any tackle???? (The idea of a 1 vs 1 is to test your pvp fit against your opponents)
* A rifter fit like a passive recharge drake?????
* You say fitting a point and kiting in a 1 vs 1 shows a lack of faith in your own ingenuity???
* You self destructed because you believed your opponent not to be carrying enough ammo to kill you????

All the above is not the talk and actions of a decent pvp'r

Massive Dragon
Genos Occidere
Posted - 2010.06.10 17:54:00 - [79]
 

Edited by: Massive Dragon on 10/06/2010 17:54:59
Originally by: sp3cial forc3s




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* Kiting ships only used so you can bail out quickly?????
* Turning up to a 1 vs 1 without any tackle???? (The idea of a 1 vs 1 is to test your pvp fit against your opponents)
* A rifter fit like a passive recharge drake?????
* You say fitting a point and kiting in a 1 vs 1 shows a lack of faith in your own ingenuity???
* You self destructed because you believed your opponent not to be carrying enough ammo to kill you????

All the above is not the talk and actions of a decent pvp'r


pvping at the edge of tackle range in a fast ship is designed specifically for a very obvious reason...

tackle on an arranged 1 v 1 frig (or ship) can be useful if it is a scrambler or a web. a long range point is useless and i would have said unused in 1 v 1s, until i saw this guy using one.

and i didnt self destruct because i didnt believe he had the ammo(which he almost certainly didnt and i said this as rhetoric to point out how long it was taking) as mentioned... i had been sitting there for almost 20 mins and he could not push me further into my shield. i knew the fight wasnt going to end and he wasnt going to drop point (and as he had chosen such expencive and riskey ships to fly/lose because how brave and competant he is, believe me the choice was difficult to make!)

Omara Otawan
Posted - 2010.06.10 20:03:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Massive Dragon

pvping at the edge of tackle range in a fast ship is designed specifically for a very obvious reason...



...to fight inside your convenient weapon range but not in your opponents. Seriously, are you trying to argue a Stabber should engage a Thorax at point blank here?

Originally by: Massive Dragon

tackle on an arranged 1 v 1 frig (or ship) can be useful if it is a scrambler or a web. a long range point is useless and i would have said unused in 1 v 1s, until i saw this guy using one.



Wrong. In a serious 1v1 (remember its to test who is the more capable pvp pilot) tackle gear should always be fit, if only to prevent uneven fights with ships that generally use mids to tank.


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