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Zeta Zhul
Caldari
Preemptive Paranoia
Posted - 2010.06.05 16:25:00 - [1]
 

sigh.

Ok. Decided to log onto test server to check. Had to download patch, downloaded patch, applied patch ... patch failed. Recovery process began, processed, completed.

So far so good.

Logged onto test server, checked in, everything seems ok at first glance. Logged out because I don't have time right now to do a full on test.

...

Logged onto Tranq version of client ... ended up on test server. WTF!? Logged out, logged into using my Tranq client shortcut again ... ended up on test server. Shocked

The patch repair process doesn't seem to make the distinction between a client version dedicated to the test server and a client version dedicated to Tranq.

sigh.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2010.06.05 16:32:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Abrazzar on 05/06/2010 16:32:23
Congratulations, you patched your tranquility installation.
Better luck next time doing it properly, once you know what you're doing.

Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention
Middle of Nowhere
Posted - 2010.06.05 17:39:00 - [3]
 

Oh the irony of the thread title.. Laughing

Zeta Zhul
Caldari
Preemptive Paranoia
Posted - 2010.06.05 21:09:00 - [4]
 

I can haz teh funny?

Sounds amusing eh?

I didn't run my Tranq client, I ran my test server client. RTFOP

What the patch repair did was set my Tranq client install to the test server client. Two completely different directories named with two completely different names in two completely different directory chains.

I'm laughing too. Unfortunately not with you. Very Happy

Ulviirala Vauryndar
Gallente
Vauryndar Dalharil
Posted - 2010.06.05 22:50:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Zeta Zhul
The patch repair process doesn't seem to make the distinction between a client version dedicated to the test server and a client version dedicated to Tranq.


What are you implying? CCP would never screw something up like this Laughing

Nika Dekaia
Posted - 2010.06.06 07:33:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Zeta Zhul
I can haz teh funny?

Sounds amusing eh?

I didn't run my Tranq client, I ran my test server client. RTFOP

What the patch repair did was set my Tranq client install to the test server client. Two completely different directories named with two completely different names in two completely different directory chains.

I'm laughing too. Unfortunately not with you. Very Happy
I had an instance of patching my main folder after having difficulties with patching my Sisi folder. And I'm pretty sure I did NOT point the sisi installer to my main folder, as well. I *think* the repairer thingy simply does not ask for where to be installed but rather takes your default installation. Couldn't reproduce it since I did not get any errors with installing sisi patches, since.

Zeta Zhul
Caldari
Preemptive Paranoia
Posted - 2010.06.07 11:46:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Nika Dekaia
I had an instance of patching my main folder after having difficulties with patching my Sisi folder. And I'm pretty sure I did NOT point the sisi installer to my main folder, as well. I *think* the repairer thingy simply does not ask for where to be installed but rather takes your default installation. Couldn't reproduce it since I did not get any errors with installing sisi patches, since.


Yeah that's pretty much what happened to me.

From a professional programmer POV I can tell you that somewhere in the bowels of CCP there's a clueless programmer whining "Why the hell would anybody have TWO copies of the client??".

IMO I lucked out that both Sisi and Tranq are currently in sync with each other. Otherwise it's the 2+gb download to recreate the Tranq client.

Terrax Norik
Posted - 2010.06.07 19:09:00 - [8]
 

I've noticed that if you are using an incremental update from TQ it will default to auto-detecting your path and patch your TQ folder.

You really have to watch what you are clicking "OK" to.

Sometimes it says something along the lines of "your build in path <TQ-path> doesn't match, would you like to choose another location?"

And sometimes it will auto-detect and ask "would you like to patch <TQ-path>?"

It seems like there has been a change in the logic of the patcher in the last year or so, but I'm not sure when that happened.

I've actually updated my TQ folder a lot more by mistake in the last year than the previous years combined, I think. Embarassed

No harm since I always copy off a backup in case the patch goes bad.

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2010.06.07 19:25:00 - [9]
 

Go to your "normal" Eve-folder and start Eve from there with a double-click on the .exe file.

Could be that your path settings on the shortcut/icon are messed up.

Mkiaki
Gallente
Progressive Business Solutions
Posted - 2010.06.08 05:48:00 - [10]
 

LOL fail.

Villian
Posted - 2010.06.08 06:44:00 - [11]
 

Both the tranq and sisi installers create an identically named shortcut on the desktop.

When you installed the sisi update, it overwrote your tranq shortcut. Stop using the default shortcuts. Create your own shortcuts with unique names to the executable file as Gnulpie indicated above if you intend to maintain both a test and live client on one computer.


Also, your choice of thread subject is lulz in consideration of the issue.

Sith LordX
Posted - 2010.06.08 08:59:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Zeta Zhul
sigh.

Ok. Decided to log onto test server to check. Had to download patch, downloaded patch, applied patch ... patch failed. Recovery process began, processed, completed.

So far so good.

Logged onto test server, checked in, everything seems ok at first glance. Logged out because I don't have time right now to do a full on test.

...

Logged onto Tranq version of client ... ended up on test server. WTF!? Logged out, logged into using my Tranq client shortcut again ... ended up on test server. Shocked

The patch repair process doesn't seem to make the distinction between a client version dedicated to the test server and a client version dedicated to Tranq.

sigh.



Thats only because you fail. Your fail!

Zeta Zhul
Caldari
Preemptive Paranoia
Posted - 2010.06.08 15:04:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Villian
Both the tranq and sisi installers create an identically named shortcut on the desktop.

When you installed the sisi update, it overwrote your tranq shortcut. Stop using the default shortcuts. Create your own shortcuts with unique names to the executable file as Gnulpie indicated above if you intend to maintain both a test and live client on one computer.


Also, your choice of thread subject is lulz in consideration of the issue.


1. I created the shortcuts on my desktop, not any installer.

2. I wasn't using default shortcuts.

3. Oh great. The fanbois are out in force.

An Anarchyyt
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.06.08 16:54:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 08/06/2010 16:55:37
Rage!!!!!!

ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS. Hundreds of people have used Singularity just fine, and have never had this sort of problem. You do. Ergo, the problem is with you.

Colonel Evans
Posted - 2010.06.09 02:32:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 08/06/2010 16:55:37
Rage!!!!!!

ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ergo, the problem is with you.


There are lots of problems with him, the fact that he cant figure out how to correctly get 2 shortcuts, one which leads to the test server and one to the TQ client, being only the first problem. Professional Programmer my ass.

Go ahead, reply, your tears (rage) feed me!

Noun Verber
Gallente
Posted - 2010.06.09 06:29:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Gnulpie
Go to your "normal" Eve-folder and start Eve from there with a double-click on the .exe file.

Could be that your path settings on the shortcut/icon are messed up.


It's this. Recreate the TQ shortcut and it should be fine after that - it's happened to me before

Zeta Zhul
Caldari
Preemptive Paranoia
Posted - 2010.06.09 12:10:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Colonel Evans
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 08/06/2010 16:55:37
Rage!!!!!!

ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ergo, the problem is with you.


There are lots of problems with him, the fact that he cant figure out how to correctly get 2 shortcuts, one which leads to the test server and one to the TQ client, being only the first problem. Professional Programmer my ass.

Go ahead, reply, your tears (rage) feed me!


1. Yeppers. Professional programmer, 30+ years experience. What your opinion is, I couldn't care less.

2. Tears? Rage? Hardly. This is a game and nothing that important. What irritates me is the bad design, bad programming, bad systems and bad management. Idiotic UI bugs in a desktop application that's matured over the course of years doesn't give me a lot of confidence.

3. Blah blah blah. You folks don't quite get it do you? If it were the matter of a shortcut I wouldn't have written this.

SolarKnight
Gallente
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
Posted - 2010.06.09 13:41:00 - [18]
 

You seem mad.

Can I have your stuff?

Ned Black
Posted - 2010.06.09 13:45:00 - [19]
 

Unfortunatly it seems as if you need to download the client and reinstall your tranqility client.

To me that would be no big deal since I download the entire client in less than 5 minutes, but if you have a slower connection it could become VERY annoying if you had to do that a little now and then.

Good luck!

Zeta Zhul
Caldari
Preemptive Paranoia
Posted - 2010.06.10 15:34:00 - [20]
 

Hmmm.

1. "You seem mad.": nope. irritated.

2. "Can I have your stuff?": sure. get a freighter and wait for me just outside Jita-4-4. I'll be along with all my stuff.

3. "Unfortunatly it seems as if you need to download the client and reinstall your tranqility client.": in this case I didn't have to because both Tranq & Sisi are, at the moment, in synch with each other. My issue is that in updating the Sisi client the update program didn't make a distinction between the Tranq & Sisi client. Once it got into repair mode it just started indiscriminately updating.

4. "To me that would be no big deal since I download the entire client in less than 5 minutes, but if you have a slower connection it could become VERY annoying if you had to do that a little now and then.": I've got a fast enough connection that downloading and re-installing the Tranq client isn't all that much of a problem. But it's irritating that I actually have to on a regular basis.

What is the point of an automated update process, something that many other dev teams and individual developers have gotten right, if you're constantly having to download the full install?

5. "Good luck!": Thanks! I think we all need that.


Pipecock Jackxon
Gallente
Posted - 2010.06.12 11:55:00 - [21]
 

youre doing it wrong.. obviously.


 

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