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Tony Starmap
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.06.02 11:47:00 - [31]
 

tbh i cant say its good for pvp either, the lag issues is worse than ever. so far i lost several ships due to lag issues.. its a pain in the ass!

Cybelee
Caldari
Gods Unwanted
Posted - 2010.06.02 12:02:00 - [32]
 

When you see trailers for Eve it’s mostly based on owning your own little bit of the cluster. Joining a corp / alliance and reaching out into null sec space and claiming a little for yourself.

Now to do this you have to fight, and if you manage to gain some space you have to fight to keep it. Those you fight against are players ( HUMANS ) so that’s PVP, and a huge part of the game.

However, we are all aware that for PVP to continue we have to have those players who play the other side of Eve, PVE. They are the ones that run missions, loot the wrecks, and make the ammo and ships we need to have so we can continue to shout YARRRRR, DIEEEEE in local to our enemies.

PVP and PVE are both in my eyes just as important as each other. Without PVP the market would crash and PVE would die. Without PVE we would run out of things to fly and shoot and PVP would die.

Also, i can guarantee most PVP players also have a PVE char to make iskies ;)

So why don't we all just play eve our way and let others play there way, we all need each other.

Just my thoughts.

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2010.06.02 12:04:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Cybelee
those players who play the other side of Eve, PVE. They are the ones that [..] make the ammo and ships we need
Exsqueeze me.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.06.02 12:07:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 02/06/2010 12:10:24
Originally by: Cybelee
However, we are all aware that for PVP to continue we have to have those players who play the other side of Eve, PVE. They are the ones that run missions, loot the wrecks, and make the ammo and ships we need to have so we can continue to shout YARRRRR, DIEEEEE in local to our enemies.
…and that's really where the clash of viewpoints sit: looting the wrecks and making the ships and ammo could just as well be seen as PvP activities. In fact, if you don't look at them as such, chances are that you'll do quite poorly and not quite understand why.
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PVP and PVE are both in my eyes just as important as each other. Without PVP the market would crash and PVE would die. Without PVE we would run out of things to fly and shoot and PVP would die.
No. Without PvE, we'd run out of ISK, since it's continuously drained from the system. We'd still have plenty of things to fly and shoot, though… well, until there's not enough ISK to go around to pay for the S&I installations.

Cybelee
Caldari
Gods Unwanted
Posted - 2010.06.02 12:08:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Cybelee
those players who play the other side of Eve, PVE. They are the ones that [..] make the ammo and ships we need
Exsqueeze me.


Sorry my bad, they are not always the ones making the goodies we need but some of them will.

Natalie Caladan
Posted - 2010.06.02 12:12:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Tippia
… and that's really where the clash of viewpoints sit: looting the wrecks and making the ships and ammo could just as well be seen as PvP activities. In fact, if you don't look at them as such, chances are that you'll do quite poorly and not quite understand why.

PvE or PvE .. I think looting and manufacturing isn't VERSUS anyone. So it's neither and both.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.06.02 12:15:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Natalie Caladan
PvE or PvE .. I think looting and manufacturing isn't VERSUS anyone. So it's neither and both.
You take the loot, so no-one else gets it.
You take the manufacturing slot, so someone else has to wait (or you erect a POS, and now no-one else has access to that moon).
You research your BPs so you can sell at a lower cost than someone else.

…it's all done in competition with other players. Hence PvP.

Natalie Caladan
Posted - 2010.06.02 12:31:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Natalie Caladan on 02/06/2010 12:34:34
Originally by: Tippia
You take the manufacturing slot, so someone else has to wait (or you erect a POS, and now no-one else has access to that moon).
You research your BPs so you can sell at a lower cost than someone else.

… it's all done in competition with other players. Hence PvP.

Well if you regard that as PvP then standing in a queue for cinema tickets is also PvP.
If you regard competition = PvP then every game is PvP. WoW on a PvE server is also PvP then because you also want to make a profit. Hello Kitty Island is PvP. Life is PvP. Cool

Personally I'd rather regard things as either PvE, neutral or PvP.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.06.02 12:38:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Natalie Caladan
If you regard competition = PvP then every game is PvP. WoW on a PvE server is also PvP then because you also want to make a profit.
WoW is not (because it's not zero sum, and you can always spawn more overlords instances. The player-to-player market, however, is fairly PvP:ish, yes. What sets EVE apart is that this PvP marketplace is the fundamental mechanic that drives the entire game. Nothing works or has any use without it.
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Personally I'd rather regard things as either PvE, neutral or PvP.
Then you'll have problem understanding how EVE works, and how the various activities within it influence each other.

Natalie Caladan
Posted - 2010.06.02 12:54:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Natalie Caladan on 02/06/2010 12:55:09
Originally by: Tippia
Then you'll have problem understanding how EVE works, and how the various activities within it influence each other.

I do? Well many things can be used for both, and as I don't neccessarily see mere competition as a PvP actitvity as such - I still think my personal logic is quite consistent.
EVE isn't that difficult really.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.06.02 13:04:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Natalie Caladan
Well many things can be used for both,
Not to any greater extent. Most of the things used to interact with NPCs can only be used for that purpose, with the exception of a few T1 items that are fed into the LP stores. Most other things can only be used against/with/towards/[various other prepositions] other players.
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I don't see competition as a PvP actitvity as such I still think my personal logic is quite consistent.
What are competing against if not against other players?

What I'm after is how a the kind of logic you seem to have (but, admittedly, I'm basing this on pure guesswork) may be internally consistent, but will be insufficient to describe how, say, mission loot drops affect 0.0 sovereignty warfare, and why those "PvPers" can have such a strong opinion about what might look like a PvE activity (to make a current example).

Natalie Caladan
Posted - 2010.06.02 13:22:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Most other things can only be used against/with/towards/[various other prepositions] other players.

Sorry you confuse me here. I don't regard NPCs as "other players"?!

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describe how, say, mission loot drops affect 0.0 sovereignty warfare, and why those "PvPers" can have such a strong opinion about what might look like a PvE activity (to make a current example).

Well can you? Sure, as markets are interrelated and prices in highsec influence lowsec and vv and everyone has highsec characters anyway to farm money .. but how else?

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
Posted - 2010.06.02 13:48:00 - [43]
 

Thread topic is misleading. Expected acronym math, got wall of text whine.

Re-railing topic:

MMO + FPS - PVP + ELF + ORC - IQ = WoW

MMO + RTS + PVE + PVP + MC^2 = EVE

Discuss.

Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Posted - 2010.06.02 13:53:00 - [44]
 

All PvE in EVE is really just a means to an eventual goal of PvP; some is more exciting than others (Mining and L4 missions are repitive and boring, Sleepers can be pretty fun) but all has one purpose: to make ISK.

What do you use ISK for? To make even more ISK until you've so much ISK there's nothing you can possibly spend it on anymore, get bored and quit the game without having PvPed ever? Neutral

Di Mulle
Posted - 2010.06.02 14:49:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: War Kitten
Thread topic is misleading. Expected acronym math, got wall of text whine.

Re-railing topic:

MMO + FPS - PVP + ELF + ORC - IQ = WoW

MMO + RTS + PVE + PVP + MC^2 = EVE

Discuss.


Not so sure exactly about MC^2, but otherwise very funny, I support it Very Happy


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