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Jack Riava
Posted - 2010.05.28 17:31:00 - [1]
 

Ok, so I'm in the position of having 27m skillpoints, mainly trained into drones/hybrids/armor tanking and Gallente ships. I'm having a hard time with Gallente (shipwise) at the minute and feel like a change - is Amarr the answer? I have a Caldari alt, and Minmatar would require shield skills and force me into a Vaga, right? LaughingCool Seems like Amarr is the option to go for, but I'm worried they might be awful - but they sure look pretty.

tl;dr
1. Are lazors effective in both PVP and PVE?
2. Is the Zealot worth training Amarr Cruiser V for alone, for PVP and maybe a little ratting?
3. Will i ever use my drones again?
4. Are Amarr ships and lazors GOOD?

Von Kapiche
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.05.28 17:34:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Von Kapiche on 28/05/2010 17:35:00
1: Yes
2: Pass: Curse+Pilgrim would make it worthwhile for you though.
3: Yes
4: Pretty too

Edit: Caps, I Haz Them.

Harotak
Malicious Destruction
Posted - 2010.05.28 17:59:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Harotak on 28/05/2010 17:59:55
A good zealot, curse, or harb fit would require shield skills as well. Shields are very easy to train for, don't let the requirement for shield tanking skills influence your decision. Also galente aren't all that bad unless you are into FOTM blob warfare.

Lil Mule
Posted - 2010.05.28 20:37:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Lil Mule on 28/05/2010 20:38:25
Edited by: Lil Mule on 28/05/2010 20:37:36
Originally by: Harotak
Edited by: Harotak on 28/05/2010 17:59:55
A good zealot, curse, or harb fit would require shield skills as well. Shields are very easy to train for, don't let the requirement for shield tanking skills influence your decision. Also galente aren't all that bad unless you are into FOTM blob warfare.


Let's not forget the Proteus - its pretty solid.

Are Amarr ub3r? No. Do they suck? for PvE, about the only thing I use Amarr for is the Guardian. For PVP they have some ok options:

Zealot although paper thin can slug out a few good hits. Looks sexy.

Curse tends to make people crap their pants a lil bit, but just becareful what targets you pick.

Absolution- Not that hot. Damnation - unless you have armor mindlink, dont bother. Then again CS in general needs a boost.

Legion: Good for PVE but not PVP.

Guardian: I love.

Battleships: Not sure - let someone else comment on that. Before/around Dominion I started to see alot more Amarr BS's in fleet ops. Not sure if that trend continued or not.

Edit: to fix ambiguity.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.05.28 20:50:00 - [5]
 

For fleet work, the Amarr BS are all fantastic. The Geddon is a great cheap RR BS platform, Apoc is a fine sniper, and the Abaddon can't be beat for stand-up slugfests. If you have some POS to shoot, then you cant do better than a Geddon; with skills it's basically capstable with Standard L, and you can pack a full rack of sentries. Fire lasers, deploy sentries and read a book.

The nice little perks of lasers like infinite T1 ammo and near-instant ammo change are also hard to give up once you get used to them. Oh yeah and 50Km range with Scorch is awesome...

Diomidis
Pod Liberation Authority
Posted - 2010.05.28 21:12:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Jack Riava
Ok, so I'm in the position of having 27m skillpoints, mainly trained into drones/hybrids/armor tanking and Gallente ships. I'm having a hard time with Gallente (shipwise) at the minute and feel like a change - is Amarr the answer? I have a Caldari alt, and Minmatar would require shield skills and force me into a Vaga, right? LaughingCool Seems like Amarr is the option to go for, but I'm worried they might be awful - but they sure look pretty.

tl;dr
1. Are lazors effective in both PVP and PVE?
2. Is the Zealot worth training Amarr Cruiser V for alone, for PVP and maybe a little ratting?
3. Will i ever use my drones again?
4. Are Amarr ships and lazors GOOD?


1. Yes, lazors are good enough to great in PvE - depends on the rats - but in general high raw dps @ great range is a good thing all-around.

2. Yes and no...pvp wise the zealot is not that challenging, and fills more the HAC's gang dmg dealer role: basically ppl tackle, you keep range and shoot...let something get under your guns, and the lack of sufficient mid slots and/or drones makes it hard to escape solo. That goes for PvE too, make sure you fit a web in those mids if you belt-rat in it, even with pulses.

3. I think Amarr are probably the most drone heavy race after Gallente, so sure, you will. Only a couple of cruisers and the frigs don't have usable drone bays...oh, and the Zealot off course Laughing

4. Yes.

TBH, i would go the Vaga way...way more challenging but also rewarding to fly, and med ACs pwn atm. I can't remember an era when the Vaga was sub-par tbh...don't know if that's about to change, but it seems like its the only still-really-popular pvp HAS out there, and that means a lot.

Surreptitious
Isk Sink Inc.
Posted - 2010.05.28 23:57:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Jack Riava
Ok, so I'm in the position of having 27m skillpoints, mainly trained into drones/hybrids/armor tanking and Gallente ships. I'm having a hard time with Gallente (shipwise) at the minute and feel like a change - is Amarr the answer? I have a Caldari alt, and Minmatar would require shield skills and force me into a Vaga, right? LaughingCool Seems like Amarr is the option to go for, but I'm worried they might be awful - but they sure look pretty.

tl;dr
1. Are lazors effective in both PVP and PVE?
2. Is the Zealot worth training Amarr Cruiser V for alone, for PVP and maybe a little ratting?
3. Will i ever use my drones again?
4. Are Amarr ships and lazors GOOD?


1 - Imo theyre 2nd best weapon for PVE and arguably first best for PVP.
2 - Zealots meh, decent. Curse & Pilgrim are great, the Legion is f'ing uber. Train cruiser 5.
3 - Definetly will be using drones. Curse, Pilgrim at least.
4- Amarr ships and lasers are great.

Syrup

Gunner Cid
The Carebear Stare
Posted - 2010.05.29 02:26:00 - [8]
 

For BSes I defo say go with Amarr

I have Gal BS 5 trained, lg spec bla bla... never had the desire to fly a mega once...at all. The baddon is just that damn good imo.

Viribus
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
Posted - 2010.05.29 06:36:00 - [9]
 

Quote:
1. Are lazors effective in both PVP and PVE?


PVP: yes, though for extended fights you'll need some good cap. Lazors use cap like other weapons use ammo.
PVE: Less so, being hindered by two kinds of damage and cutting into your tank with capacitor usage. If you're against Sansha rats, they're fine, but your caldari alt is way better suited for any PVE duties by virtue of being able to select damage type. The Sacrilege, though, does use HAMs.

Quote:
2. Is the Zealot worth training Amarr Cruiser V for alone,


No, but it's still a great sniper and you can't go wrong with the remaining T2 Amarr cruisers. The Curse and Pilgrim are excellent solo ships, particularly for popping carebears, and the Sacrilege has one of the most ridiculous active tanks ever (excellent for plexing with your bros).

Quote:
3. Will i ever use my drones again?


Yes. The 'Geddon can field 5 heavies and the Abaddon and Apoc can field 3 each. Also, Amarr's EWAR cruiser, the Arbitrator, is a good droneboat, as are it's derivatives (the aforementioned Curse and Pilgrim). The Harbinger also has 50m^3 of drone space.

Quote:
4. Are Amarr ships and lazors GOOD?


Yes, though they all have their ups and downs. There's not a whole lot of variety to them, being that they almost exclusively use lazorz and few of them can fit a passable shield tank. For big fleet fights, though, lasers (particularly on an Apocalypse) are welcome, since they don't use ammo and never require reloading, which is especially useful with lots of lag (wooo technical flaws influencing gameplay).

I wouldn't let the switch from an armor tank to a shield tank dissaude you, though; a T2 shield fit takes a lot less training than a T2 armor fit, and many of the skills cross over (particularly with capacitor).

Arbiter Reborn
Posted - 2010.05.29 07:35:00 - [10]
 

i can fly any race, generally i dont fly much amarr, i have a geddon as its the best 0.0 rr gang ship but i use the mega for smaller lowsec stuff.

abso is terribad sleip and nighthawk outclass it even with the nhs horrid grid issues.

khanid are the way foward so that means missile skills

curse is win, damnation is win (mindlink) sac is win.

zealot is cool but the munnin is very close for pure sniping, although zealot does dual prop armor stuff like a pro, if you plan on joining pl yes the zealot is woth the cruiser 5 lol

generally you cant really go wrong with amarr for big fleet stuff they are the best. although i would say minmitar is more fun and still have alot of great snipers and rr gang ships. and generally thats what eve is about right . . fun? vagabond is worth minnie cruiser 5 no doubt

as for pve minmitar beat amarr imo unless you do amarr missions. and even then maelstrom makes short work of them

as mentioned above shield will be used in every race. that includes alot of gallente and the zealot, but its and easy train for t2 lse and ivulns (2x lvl4 skills)


Dusica
Amarr
Posted - 2010.05.29 10:54:00 - [11]
 

I would strongly suggest that you train for minmatar and open angel ships and pretty much win the game.

If you want to be a man and play it on harder settings you can go to Amarrs ofc :)

1. Lasers are effective for both PVP and PVE.
2. Zealot is worth training amarr cruiser V. But you will open Sacriledge and Curse they are as goog as zealot for pvp or pve.
3. Drones are good on pilgrim and curse and armageddon not as good as galante ofc
4. Amarrs are average.

Gligan
Posted - 2010.05.29 15:02:00 - [12]
 

whatever the hell you do, if you go amarr, you NEEED t2 guns or don't bother. Well unless you've got curse or guardian or ham in mind that is. Perfect cap skills (including controlled bursts) are also a must have.

Still gallente has a lot of ships that would be equivalent or better than the amarr version. Don't give up now. (ok I'm gallente but I mostly fly minmatar but still )

Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Euphoria Released
Merciless.
Posted - 2010.05.29 16:53:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Dusica
I would strongly suggest that you train for minmatar and open angel & serpentis ships and pretty much win the game.


fyp Wink


Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.05.29 17:08:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Dusica

4. Amarrs are average.


Rolling Eyes

Yankunytjatjara
Amarr
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2010.05.29 23:54:00 - [15]
 

Go minnie, so you can immediately use the overpowered FOTM pirate ships given your specialty - before the nerf!

Annie Anomie
Shadows Of The Federation
Posted - 2010.05.30 00:17:00 - [16]
 

Quote:
Ok, so I'm in the position of having 27m skillpoints, mainly trained into drones/hybrids/armor tanking and Gallente ships. I'm having a hard time with Gallente (shipwise) at the minute and feel like a change - is Amarr the answer? I have a Caldari alt, and Minmatar would require shield skills and force me into a Vaga, right? Seems like Amarr is the option to go for, but I'm worried they might be awful - but they sure look pretty.


You should get some shield skills (the stuff for buffer tanking) anyway tbh. Even for Gallente you'd make use of it. At least the Ishtar, Brutix and Myrm can all be sensibly shield tanked. It has it's advantages.

Amarr also a fair bit of shield tanking at cruiser level.

Amarr overall are good. They have plenty of win-boats.

I can confirm the Zealot is chuffing awesome. The whole cruiser 5 package deal is actually really good though. You get: The best cruiser sized gun platform; the best combat recon; the best logistics. The other ships aren't bad either. They stay good at BS too.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.05.30 05:35:00 - [17]
 

Minmatar has some great armor tankers, typhoon is the t1 dps master and armor tanks like a beast. You want have to train forever to get good DPS, but you will to perfect it. Also, as stated, learning shields is good.

MWDrive
Posted - 2010.05.30 11:59:00 - [18]
 

You are flying gallente and don't have shield skills?? You're doing it wrong. Myrmi, brutix, hyperion, ishtar, even recons, all great shield tanked.

Since all of your questions have been answered already, I'll just say minmatar and amarr are very well balanced. With 27M SP you should know which ships suit you better. I was in similar situation a month ago and decided to go for minmatar.

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
Posted - 2010.05.30 15:39:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Zhilia Mann on 30/05/2010 15:48:22
Originally by: Jack Riava
2. Is the Zealot worth training Amarr Cruiser V for alone, for PVP and maybe a little ratting?
3. Will i ever use my drones again?


Amarr have the only non-Gallente ships that are drone-bonused. It's arguable that the Arbitrator alone is worth cruiser V. The Pilgrim (why no love for the poor Pilgrim in this thread?) and the Curse are just icing -- but very, very delicious icing.

Plus, yeah, the Armageddon has 125m bandwidth. I just don't much care for BSs in general.

tl;dr: Get Amarr cruiser V if just for the drone boats. However, don't fly a pulse laser boat without access to Scorch. That's an entirely different discussion though.

Edit: Training T2 projectiles and Minni frigs/cruisers would probably be a more optimal metagame option right now given the ridiculous state of the Dramiel, Daredevil, and Cynabal.

But honestly having the option to fit any gun on, say, a Myrm is a boon in and of itself. I still prefer the HPL fit if/when I use it for missions (which is nearly never). For PvP though.... Well, capless weapons have their advantages.

At 27 mil SP you should have decent gunnery skills in any case. You don't have more than 9.7 mil in Drones do you? Even I'd consider that silly. So just diversify weapons first and then consider ships.

Ozanna leCureHardy
Posted - 2010.06.01 09:00:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Minmatar has some great armor tankers, typhoon is the t1 dps master and armor tanks like a beast. You want have to train forever to get good DPS, but you will to perfect it. Also, as stated, learning shields is good.


The 'phoon also has 125 drone bandwidth and -- IIRC -- the second biggest non-T2, non-faction BS dronebay after the Domi at 175m3.


 

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