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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2010.05.28 09:27:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Bad Messenger

There is lot of thingh that differ from normal dt:

1. downloading patch was time so close to server opening that all those who have slow internet could not load it before server started

2. server restart because emergency reboots

main reason why you got those systems was that you wanted to bug those, you did not want to fight just to bug.

no matter how you repeat about normal dt plexing it is different thing. Wink


1. I ran plexes for about 13 solid hours. I think that gave people a fair amount of time. Also, a caldari fleet came out to try and stop us, and our main fleet stayed and fought them in deven while a few people ran a plex in OMS - similar to what you did when we came to fight you in Ladistier the day before (according to damar).

2. Yes, that gave us one extra downtime

OK, the above obviously we'll never agree on.

But we didn't want to fight!?!? We fought the caldari that came down. The day before in Ladistier, I brought an MDP fleet to face your fleet in Ladistier *IN A PLEX* because *we thought we'd get some pvp*. Instead, you pretty much disbanded your fleet, ran a few to OMS to run plexes, and smack talked in local for 18 excruciating minutes while we twiddled our thumbs waiting for the timer to count down.

Bad Messenger
draketrain
Posted - 2010.05.28 09:28:00 - [32]
 

tell me why you timed your invasion to patch day?

chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2010.05.28 09:35:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: chatgris on 28/05/2010 09:37:51
Originally by: Bad Messenger
tell me why you timed your invasion to patch day?


We didn't plan anything! We logged at patch time (because that is our usual play time, later afternoon US TZ), noticed a ton of plexes in heyd, and ran them. Then we thought "hey, we've got dt in our TZ, we won't have this for another 6 months, lets scan for more plexes". Found a bunch in OMS, got it close to vulnerable, ran plexes in fliet and deven and managed to push one to OMS to make it vulnerable.

There was no planning - there was surprise at actually having plexes to run in our home system, and we ran them.

Bad Messenger
draketrain
Posted - 2010.05.28 09:39:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: chatgris
Originally by: Bad Messenger
tell me why you timed your invasion to patch day?


We didn't plan anything! We logged at patch time (because that is our usual play time, later afternoon US TZ), noticed a ton of plexes in heyd, and ran them. Then we thought "hey, we've got dt on our side, lets scan for more plexes". Found a bunch in OMS, got it close to vulnerable, ran plexes in fliet and deven and managed to push one to OMS to make it vulnerable.

There was no planning - there was surprise at actually having plexes to run in our home system, and we ran them.


yea sure Rolling Eyes two months no plexing, patch day coming, you attack before patch with all you can, just after patch and then after reboot, NO PLANNING ! JUST COINCIDENCE.

Keep exploiting, you are good at it.

Damar Rocarion
Posted - 2010.05.28 09:44:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: chatgris
I brought an MDP fleet to face your fleet in Ladistier *IN A PLEX* because *we thought we'd get some pvp*. Instead, you pretty much disbanded your fleet, ran a few to OMS to run plexes, and smack talked in local for 18 excruciating minutes while we twiddled our thumbs waiting for the timer to count down.


We broke your formation, brought fleet in and forced you to flee (something which we didnt expect as you still outnumbered us), catching the straggler drake who died. Then INV came, probably on your call. While we could have killed them, we decided to conserve fleet for actual fight.

However, INV then let you take optimal defense formation inside the plex so why should we have bothered to come? We had already killed Gallente by the bucketload and saved Ladistier from flipping.

Do you think we are here for your entertainment? And do you honestly think that we have 30 plexes waiting in every system we want to take. If yes, you are even more clueless than I imagined possible (or you are just lying like you do with insisting you dont know about bugs)

Damar Rocarion
Brigadier General

chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2010.05.28 09:45:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Bad Messenger

yea sure Rolling Eyes two months no plexing, patch day coming, you attack before patch with all you can, just after patch and then after reboot, NO PLANNING ! JUST COINCIDENCE.

Keep exploiting, you are good at it.


I wasn't around much the day before, but I hear we had some plexes in heyd, and they were ran. It's no secret we'd like to be able to pvp in our home system plexes without being jammed.

You're expecting a lot more central organization than exists (I'm surprised we got a lot of our members to shoot the bunker let alone plex), but I'm kinda flatterred that you seem to view the MDP as this organized entity where people actually follow central goals. Maybe one day it'll be true :)

Bad Messenger
draketrain
Posted - 2010.05.28 10:04:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: chatgris
Originally by: Bad Messenger

yea sure Rolling Eyes two months no plexing, patch day coming, you attack before patch with all you can, just after patch and then after reboot, NO PLANNING ! JUST COINCIDENCE.

Keep exploiting, you are good at it.


I wasn't around much the day before, but I hear we had some plexes in heyd, and they were ran. It's no secret we'd like to be able to pvp in our home system plexes without being jammed.

You're expecting a lot more central organization than exists (I'm surprised we got a lot of our members to shoot the bunker let alone plex), but I'm kinda flatterred that you seem to view the MDP as this organized entity where people actually follow central goals. Maybe one day it'll be true :)


Your goal seems to be there where is possibility to bug.

We know what you are. And we know what you asked for. Sometimes your wishes may come to true.

You are clueless so no point to argue anymore.

Have fun o/

Neo Gabriel
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
The Phoenix. Consortium
Posted - 2010.05.28 10:15:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Neo Gabriel on 28/05/2010 10:19:39
Ok no bull**** post.

I don't know why people were plexing in heyd area before DT. Maybe they were bored out of their minds, maybe there was a nice concentration of plexes available and the consensus at the time was to run them. As had as it may seem to believe, we do run plexes now and then. Maybe it was to spite you and get a fight.

Before Expansion DT, personally, I was witnessing the great Maut cluster**** with great entertainment. I am the kind of person that was already through my ears with wasting time in plexes and I rather waste my time running anomalies in highsec than to run plexes for the hell of it.

When the server came online in US TZ afternoon I was one of the first to log in and buy skills etc. Someone thought of scanning the system for plexes and there was 24 of them or something like that. Sure it's odd for this to happen, usually takes days to pool so many, but trust me, AFAIK it was just a random event. So we ran them at our leisure after we booted a small caldari fleet from heyd. When people started logging in and hearing that we might actually flip heyd everyone got excited and came to help, because GASP, plexing might actually yield a result!

So we are all excited about having flipped heyd, people start scanning plexes in surrounding systems but soon after Heyd Bunker was killed we get the 15 minute warning so we just run a couple of plexes in nearby systems to hopefully get a nice DT spawn in OMS, since it was contested and allegedly close to flipping because of the previous day efforts.

So server comes back up, Heyd is now Gallente occupancy, confirmed by scanning and finding gallente plexes. We actually were kind of mad CCP wouldn't make Heyd ours but our fears lasted only a few minutes.

Someone scans OMS and there are 17 plexes on scan! Of course we all rush there and start running them in a large fleet, all spread out. Lancress comes in, does a scan and even mentions that CCP wants us to win, and starts trying to harass us by opening all plexes and trying to gank us. We force him out because of our quick responses and even gank a few wanna be pirates. 2 plexes bug, probably because we warped out of them to fight pirates and lancress, but they seem to properly de-spawn when we keep people inside for a while.

It wasn't enough to flip OMS, but we continue to plex in Fliet and Deven to hopefully get a spawn after the initial 2 hours. To our surprise 1 plex spawns and we send a small detachment to run it while the rest continue to plex in fliet and Deven and to distract any possible caldari response. System goes vulnerable and we bring another mighty blob and flip it in about 20 minutes, while keeping quiet about the op. After this I logged off because I had been plexing for about 5 hours, must have been some 30 plexes personally (warping around).

So tell me, what about this is an exploit? Are you claiming we knew this was going to happen? That we had something to do with it? You are crazy delusional.

Also, I am sure the eve voice bug made it impossible for squids to mount a counter fleet, but it would have changed nothing in the end.

So, there is nothing wrong about this. If it had been your timezone and there were none of us you would have run down all the plexes yourselves. Does this give us an unfair advantage? You betcha! And we used it! Like you have been using after DT plexing since the beginning (granted I don't think you ever got 24 plexes in 1 system after DT, but its a great advantage nonetheless, because its a permanent "feature").

I bet if you were to do your normal thing you would have 2 systems under your belt in 2 weeks, like when you retook oms a few months back. You are just butthurt that one time we actually used the "intended game mechanics" to our advantage and there was nothing you could do about it. How is the other side of the coin?

I bet you will be back to exploit more "game mechanics" to grief because that is all you do, but don't drag us down to your level.

chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2010.05.28 10:26:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: chatgris on 28/05/2010 10:28:19
Originally by: Damar Rocarion

We broke your formation, brought fleet in and forced you to flee (something which we didnt expect as you still outnumbered us), catching the straggler drake who died.



First off - yes, breaking the formation etc: That was the part where I said you were mincing the general militia fleet. No contest there.

Originally by: Damar Rocarion

Then INV came, probably on your call. While we could have killed them, we decided to conserve fleet for actual fight. However, INV then let you take optimal defense formation inside the plex so why should we have bothered to come? We had already killed Gallente by the bucketload and saved Ladistier from flipping.



Invicta? On our call!?! That's hilarious! You guys view the MDP as some organized entity that's blue with Cry Havoc!?! Wow, just wow. HINT: Invicta fights with us all the time (while we pray they didn't bring a cyno). They could easily crush both of our combined forces with their alliance buddies anytime they want. They have no need to blue with us.

Originally by: Damar Rocarion

Do you think we are here for your entertainment?



Well, yes. I assumed you joined FW to be entertained, as did we. Each side is a potential target, and that's where the fun is. Why else would you join FW, if not to be entertained?

Originally by: Damar Rocarion

And do you honestly think that we have 30 plexes waiting in every system we want to take. If yes, you are even more clueless than I imagined possible (or you are just lying like you do with insisting you dont know about bugs)



You don't always have 30 plexes, but you do get to routinely choose the best spawns in the locations you want to run them in when there are very few people on to oppose you, and leave the leftovers that aren't bugged for anyone else who cares to plex later.

Anyways, this is ridiculous. If you truly believe the MDP is some organized entity with these multi-month long plans around system occupancy who send Invicta to do our bidding (over a PLEX no less!) then wow. You should fire your spies RIGHT NOW.

Noob Shadow
Posted - 2010.05.28 10:28:00 - [40]
 

Pervs are so ghey.

Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Posted - 2010.05.28 10:34:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Noob Shadow
Pervs are so ghey.


*Kuolematon likes this*

Damar Rocarion
Posted - 2010.05.28 10:40:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: chatgris
First off - yes, breaking the formation etc: That was the part where I said you were mincing the general militia fleet. No contest there.


You were inside with a hurricane along with other MDP corp members. So this is "random noob fleet from militia". Righto....

Perhaps you need to look on the pirate rapier kill again, you the know which enables you to claim victory since you can put isk ratio higher on your killboard.

Damar Rocarion
Brigadier General

chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2010.05.28 10:45:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: chatgris on 28/05/2010 10:47:20
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Originally by: chatgris
First off - yes, breaking the formation etc: That was the part where I said you were mincing the general militia fleet. No contest there.


You were inside with a hurricane along with other MDP corp members. So this is "random noob fleet from militia". Righto....

Perhaps you need to look on the pirate rapier kill again, you the know which enables you to claim victory since you can put isk ratio higher on your killboard.

Damar Rocarion
Brigadier General



Pro tip - An MDP member or two can join a fleet and not be in charge.

Claiming victory? Where did I claim victory? All I said was that you ran away as soon as I took over FC and brought in an organized fleet. And I used that as a counter to BM claiming that "we don't want to fight we just want to bug plexes".

Anyways, enough of this thread. I wish I lived in this fantasy world you paint where Cry Havoc would go where I want let alone not shoot me, and the MDP pulled off these great long planned schemes (or, you know, planned at all ;) ).

Damar Rocarion
Posted - 2010.05.28 10:52:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 28/05/2010 10:53:13
Originally by: chatgris
Where did I claim victory?


Pro-Tip, watch local....

I'm also fed up with this thread. Gallentes exploit and nothing convinces me otherwise and you can continue to feign your ignorance until the sun dies. Just today I witnessed another gallente pull off the "lets bug timer and warp off trick".

As I have repeatedly said, Nennamaila incident was the final thing which removed any remaining doubts whether or not Gallente militia (aside from Hussain) was worthy of respect or even common courtesy.

And whether or not Cry Havoc does what you will, nothing removes the fact that they only went after Caldari while leaving Gallente alone despite you destroying their Rapier.

Damar Rocarion
Brigadier General

Havegooda
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2010.05.28 10:54:00 - [45]
 

Oh damn, Invicta does what we tell them now?! OH EMM GEE

I leave for a couple weeks and we're not only blue, but we're their overlords as well? My my times have changed.

[/sarcasm]

X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2010.05.28 12:55:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: X Gallentius on 28/05/2010 12:55:27
chatgris and many others didn't plan anything they just came along for the ride. in his case, he actually lead the effort once it got going. Great job chat!

Yes, (even though according to many we don't understand plexing mechanics...) there's a reason there were a ton of plexes available in Essence right before the patch and there's a reason why there was a concerted effort to plex right before and after the patch.

What is not well-understood is why the Caldari did nothing about it beforehand. And then the counter plexing fleet in Ladistier was inadequate before the patch (PERVS, well PERVS put up a fight but nobody else came to help them), right after the patch (small CDI gang, nobody helped them), and later that evening in Deven (?? wasn't there). And the pirates in OMS weren't strong enough either.

The only thing our opponents are really complaining about is the fact that the bulk of our forces don't plex every day like they do. But that's fine. We do what we want when we want to do it - not what they want when they want us to do it.

And please drop the pie alliance references. Most of us hate them as much as you and they try to gank whoever they want when they want to as well.



Aggammenonn
Posted - 2010.05.28 12:59:00 - [47]
 

LOL, the best that can be hoped for with Invicta is that they will leave us alone, but you forget that they still hate the Pervs Damar. You guys are probably the most hated corp inFW at least, if not the game and just cause Invicta isnt FW anymore doesnt mean they forgot about you.
As for why you're having trouble recapturing systems, I wonder if it has something to do with the fact that you get the after dt plexs and we get most of the rest? You arent the only plexers out there, some of the Gallente milita plex most of the day.
In short, since you cant beat us fairly or even with your after dt advantage, you decided to claim we exploit to justify your jumping to Amarr soley to exploit that standings bug... I just hope that this backfires on you, you get no systems and DIE alot... I will have your pod one of these days Damar...

Dr Deadbolt
Gallente
Posted - 2010.05.28 13:25:00 - [48]
 

pervs tears = best tears

unfotunately the whine made from the tears is very sour

Dr Deadbolt
Luminaire General

Cosmic Raider
Capitalist Pig Running Dogs
Posted - 2010.05.28 13:41:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Aggammenonn
In short, since you cant beat us fairly...


I am loathe to jump into this because of all the horrible smack going on, but this comment is a bit much.

Some people seem to forget these impressive recapturing of their main systems were a direct result of CCP changing the game mechanics (enabling rapid plex pile ups) because Caldari occupied and held all Caldari and Gallente FW space for six months.

So congrats on retaking Heydielles (QCATS home system) and OMS (your front door).


Aggammenonn
Posted - 2010.05.28 14:20:00 - [50]
 

Well, Cant deny that when I started in fw, we only had a handful of systems but most of what was taken back was done the hard way. A good example is Intaki, we fought over that system for weeks, Damar and his alts would get the after dt plexs and we would be scanning it for the rest of the day hoping that we would get a plex or two, it took damn near 3 weeks to contest it then make it vulnerable. Now once we took Intaki, there was a surge of general milita interest and we were able to take back most of placid in rapid order. There has been more or less a stalemate for 2 months now, then we caught that break with the plexs in heyd, oms and Lad. They can say what they want but every system we took, was an average of at least 100 pilot hours.

Unfamed II
Caldari
NPC Corporation
Paisti Syndicate
Posted - 2010.05.28 14:34:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Aggammenonn
They can say what they want but every system we took, was an average of at least 100 pilot hours.
Just curious, where did you get that number?

Osiris04
Gallente
Colonial Marines EVE Division
Posted - 2010.05.28 14:53:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: Osiris04 on 28/05/2010 15:08:44
Sigh...

I have never (personally) known any of the plexers to purposefully use the timer bug to their advantage. I see the bug happening, for both Caldari and Gallente, but it is always after somebody warps out due to aggro or a WT entering the plex. I myself was accused by BM of exploiting in Ladistier when my alt couldn't handle aggro in a plex. Of course he jumped to the conclusion "OMG exploitzzz!!1". A petition and bug report was filed by myself and I was told "this is a known issue an is random so hasn't been fixed yet".

I don't know why the PeRvS are so adamant that our whole militia uses it intentionally, more than likely just to troll and get the current response, maybe to justify their plexing "ethics"....

I have lost a lot of respect for the pErVs due to their incessant ramblings, like a grandparent that you used to love before they became senile and incontinent.

Shame really.

*Edit: Not all PERVS... some of you guys are still OK Razz.

Greg6
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2010.05.28 15:08:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Greg6 on 28/05/2010 15:11:06
OK, all you folk who can't enjoy this thread have no sense of humor, nor irony. Watching the pervs simultaneously accuse us of being so masterful with the mechanics as to be able to use exploits to our advantage, and then say we obviously don't know that much about plexing mechanics is simply total win sauce. We're both smart enough to plan a major push for a patch created (and thus unpredictable) down time, and dumb enough to be ignorant of the details of how plexing works.

If only there were enough Gallente who shared my sick sense of humor. We'd take every FW system in space just for the joy of watching the Pervs cry, whine, and twist logic into a salty pretzel while they lost. I haven't had this much fun in a game since I don't know when. Rest assured, if I could I'd use every exploit available, just like you Pervs do. Now, say on, Pervs, because your twisted thinking is giving me great entertainment thus far....:)

PS: Qcats may not have been plexing much in the days before the downtime, but they aren't the only plexers on the field. In fact, another non-MDP corp, had been plexing the Heyd area regularly for the past week or so. It was their efforts that created the bubble.....

PPS: In terms of time to plex, I kept track of how many pilots plexed for how long over the final 48 hours to flipping Heyd and OMS. Multiply the number of hours plexed by the number of pilots plexing and you get pilot hours needed to flip both systems. Gallente plexed for over 300 pilot hours in the 48 hours that lead up to the flipping of both systems, based on the plexing fleets I personally was aware of during that time. Could be more if there were folk plexing that I didn't know about, but there is no way it was less.

Aiden Vorlan
Caldari
Posted - 2010.05.28 15:29:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Aiden Vorlan on 28/05/2010 15:33:57
Originally by: Aiden Vorlan
Originally by: chatgris
Second system in a row! To all the Pervs, you'll have dt back in your favour soon, so don't worry too much :)


27 May 2010 @ 2257 EST - Old Man Star

Occupancy: Caldari State
Sovereignty: Gallente Federation


Just quoting my original post on the matter. It seems people missed it.

PIRATE EDIT! (Because Pirates > Ninjas)

I didn't join Fleet Warfare and the Caldari militia to whine about stupid crap. Wow, they took plexes and, thus, took the system. Grats, Gallente! All this whining - especially by kids who aren't even in the Caldari State militia anymore is pathetic. I have 2 million skill points, and I've been told I have balls for throwing myself into PvP so quickly. But if this is all PvP consists of, just children crying because "whaaa, I lost my important internet spaceship pixels whaaaa!" (reference to a corporation there..or an alliance, I dunno' which :D), I think I'll go back to "carebearing", because at least carebears appear to have more dignity.


Bad Messenger
draketrain
Posted - 2010.05.28 15:36:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Bad Messenger on 28/05/2010 15:36:46
Originally by: Osiris04
Edited by: Osiris04 on 28/05/2010 15:08:44
Sigh...

I have never (personally) known any of the plexers to purposefully use the timer bug to their advantage. I see the bug happening, for both Caldari and Gallente, but it is always after somebody warps out due to aggro or a WT entering the plex. I myself was accused by BM of exploiting in Ladistier when my alt couldn't handle aggro in a plex. Of course he jumped to the conclusion "OMG exploitzzz!!1". A petition and bug report was filed by myself and I was told "this is a known issue an is random so hasn't been fixed yet".

I don't know why the PeRvS are so adamant that our whole militia uses it intentionally, more than likely just to troll and get the current response, maybe to justify their plexing "ethics"....

I have lost a lot of respect for the pErVs due to their incessant ramblings, like a grandparent that you used to love before they became senile and incontinent.

Shame really.

*Edit: Not all PERVS... some of you guys are still OK Razz.


You are quite old militia member i am sure that you know how bad npc is. So putting low sp alt to plex with lousy fitting and then warping of and bugging timer is only cover up to exploit.

maybe i just start to fly some bantams and warp away from every plex because i could not handle agro, is that exploiting then ? i am sure it is.

Cromwell Savage
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2010.05.28 16:27:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Cromwell Savage on 28/05/2010 16:27:42
Sweet Mary Mother of....

All this thread confirms is that the PERVS have been orbiting buttons for far too long... Time to find something else for a while guys. Damn.

chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2010.05.28 19:18:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: chatgris on 28/05/2010 19:25:55
Originally by: Aiden Vorlan
Edited by: Aiden Vorlan on 28/05/2010 15:33:57
Originally by: Aiden Vorlan
Originally by: chatgris
Second system in a row! To all the Pervs, you'll have dt back in your favour soon, so don't worry too much :)


27 May 2010 @ 2257 EST - Old Man Star

Occupancy: Caldari State
Sovereignty: Gallente Federation


Just quoting my original post on the matter. It seems people missed it.



It was bugged, but it showed correctly on the star map (as opposed to the system info in the top left of the screen). It's updated now if you care to wander by OMS.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2010.05.28 20:00:00 - [58]
 

Aaah, I get fond memories of the anxiety attacks I had defending Lantorn/Sisiede back in the day Laughing

Every time the hamsters coughed there would be DT respawns present. When data-base coughed server could restart multiple times before coming online leaving whole damn plex streaks in those two systems .. every restart reshuffles plexes, even when the restart is aborted prior to coming fully online.

Summary: Plex mechanics are borked. They do not amuse me one bit.

Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2010.05.29 01:04:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Damar Rocarion
Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 28/05/2010 10:53:13
Originally by: chatgris
Where did I claim victory?


Stuff™

Damar Rocarion
Paladin Crusader



Fixed that for you.

Cosmic Raider
Capitalist Pig Running Dogs
Posted - 2010.05.29 05:22:00 - [60]
 

I am a fortunate person.
I count Bad Messenger, Damar, and Chatgris amongst my friends in the game. I'm pleased to say that. I wish they could all see themselves as I see them. I'm sorry that they do not agree.
The fact is that Gal/Cal plexing has been a hard fought and bitter campaign - much more than anyone not involved would understand. I salute my opponents and honor their commitment.
With respect,
Cosmic


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