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Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.05.27 20:39:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Tomcat
A carrier is a warship designed with a primary mission of deploying and recovering aircraft (fighters), acting as a seagoing airbase.
No. A carrier is a capship designed to act as a mobile ship maintenance bay and to provide fleet-level logistics. It can also supplement that fleet with a number of different drones for various purposes DPS being one of them.
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TL:DR Your trollin' or not very smart.
And you spouted some nonsense that has exactly zero relevance to the game we're playing. I don't suppose you didn't notice that EVE carriers do not operate at sea; do not deploy aircraft; are not (and cannot be) deployed "world-wide"; that they have no relationship to any wooden vessels; that there have never been any balloons in EVE, nor any other aircraft (fixed or rotary-wing); that propulsion types (fusion being the closest to the nuclear power you're dribbling about) are not part of the relevant game mechanics.

Hebby
Posted - 2010.05.27 20:52:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Windjammer
Edited by: Windjammer on 27/05/2010 02:40:31

A side note: I do not need a staffer (CCP Atropos) from a company we pay money to making wiseass comments in the forums when a reasonable question is asked. Have a little respect for your customers. You aren't the only act in town.

Windjammer


As a paying customer I DO need a staffer (CCP Atropos) from a company I pay money to making wiseass comment in the forums when a question is asked. Have a little respect for your smartass customers. You are the best act in town.

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.05.28 01:21:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Windjammer
Edited by: Windjammer on 27/05/2010 02:40:31
If true, it'll be the same technique they used last patch to gut/nerf the Moros. Then a couple days after the release they slipped the addition into the patch notes.

A side note: I do not need a staffer (CCP Atropos) from a company we pay money to making wiseass comments in the forums when a reasonable question is asked. Have a little respect for your customers. You aren't the only act in town.

Windjammer


Another side note: You seriously need to unbunch your panties.

I think most folks would much rather CCP employees feel free to post on these forums in a relaxed, good natured way... and even be "allowed" to be sarcastic once in a while. It's far preferable to no interaction at all, or PR double talk. If I wanted that, I'd go to one of the many "other acts in town" that spew empty yet polite BS at their paying customers.

Frankly, if you are that easily offended, you have indeed chosen the wrong game.

Oh good. Another moronic post from the stealth CCP boy. Either a CCP employee or a fan boy of unbelievable dedication. There is not one thing that anyone says against CCP that you don't respond to on CCP's side. You're too obvious to consider this a career you're any good at. Whatever they're paying you? Too much.

When a reasonable question is asked, it is not the place of a CCP employee to make a derisive remark on the subject rather than making an attempt to answer the question. Small childeren with lemonade stands learn that much in their first enterprise. But then this isn't the fist time you've shown your junior level understanding of corporate decision making and public relations.

Despite what you "think" most people would prefer a straight answer rather than being made fun of. If that simple fact eludes you, you have indeed chosen the wrong profession.

Windjammer

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.05.28 01:36:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Ghaylenty
Originally by: Windjammer
Edited by: Windjammer on 27/05/2010 02:40:31[/ed

A side note: I do not need a staffer (CCP Atropos) from a company we pay money to making wiseass comments in the forums when a reasonable question is asked. Have a little respect for your customers. You aren't the only act in town.

Windjammer


actually they are. go back to continuum if you're not happy with these internet spaceships. now your carrier actually has a semblance of balance when compared to subcaps. tough bullet to swallow i know but, trust me, some day soon you'll forget you ever had your i-win buttons and we'll all laugh at how stupid carriers used to be.
You missed the point of the OP and my own post. That is this.....is this a bug or is it an intended feature change? It was a simple and reasonable question with a simple answer. Said answer? It's an issue and they're working to fix it. That's what CCP Atropos should have answered.

No matter how successful a company is or how many customers they have, it is never a good idea to tick cutomers off simply for the fun of doing it. Someone somewhere is always working on being a competitor. When that new product hits the market, you want your current customers happy and loyal. Not anngry with you because you don't have the PR sense of a small green apple

Windjammer

Abraxias
Posted - 2010.05.28 01:36:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: Abraxias on 28/05/2010 01:37:31
Originally by: Windjammer
..When a reasonable question is asked, it is not the place of a CCP employee to make a derisive remark on the subject rather than making an attempt to answer the question....


Shut up. Get over it. Stop taking yourself and everyone else so seriously.
Grow up. Get some thicker skin.

Where in the hell do these people come from? Shocked

Fake Edit: Get a life already.
Fake Edit2: :nevermind:
Real Edit: Did someone file a bug already?


Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.05.28 01:46:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Abraxias
Edited by: Abraxias on 28/05/2010 01:37:31
Originally by: Windjammer
..When a reasonable question is asked, it is not the place of a CCP employee to make a derisive remark on the subject rather than making an attempt to answer the question....


Shut up. Get over it. Stop taking yourself and everyone else so seriously.
Grow up. Get some thicker skin.

Where in the hell do these people come from? Shocked

Fake Edit: Get a life already.
Fake Edit2: :nevermind:
Real Edit: Did someone file a bug already?


LaughingMerely because you and others consider yourself a joke is no reason for the rest of us to feel that way about ourselves. As for my skin........it's at least thick enough to withstand your brilliant attack.Cool

Windjammer

Abraxias
Posted - 2010.05.28 01:53:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Windjammer
...LaughingMerely because you and others consider yourself a joke is no reason for the rest of us to feel that way about ourselves. As for my skin........it's at least thick enough to withstand your brilliant attack.Cool

Windjammer


One day some big meanie is gonna knock you off your high-horse, and I hope they post the vid on Evetube so we can all get a kick out of it. Evil or Very Mad

Watch out for the low-flying airplanes up there.



Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.05.28 02:09:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Abraxias
Originally by: Windjammer
...LaughingMerely because you and others consider yourself a joke is no reason for the rest of us to feel that way about ourselves. As for my skin........it's at least thick enough to withstand your brilliant attack.Cool

Windjammer


One day some big meanie is gonna knock you off your high-horse, and I hope they post the vid on Evetube so we can all get a kick out of it. Evil or Very Mad

Watch out for the low-flying airplanes up there.



LaughingIf or when that day comes again, I'll do what I've always done. Get up, beat the crap out of my assailant and carry on. I'll probably be grinning through the entire experience as well.

Word of advice, Abraxias.....don't bring a knife to a gun fight........unless you're using it as a back up or alternate weapon to your primary one. Seriously? "Big Meanie"??Laughing

Windjammer

CCP Atropos

Posted - 2010.05.29 10:07:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Windjammer
You missed the point of the OP and my own post. That is this.....is this a bug or is it an intended feature change? It was a simple and reasonable question with a simple answer. Said answer? It's an issue and they're working to fix it. That's what CCP Atropos should have answered.

Indeed that is how I should have answered and I would have answered that way had I known it was infact a bug or a feature. I didn't know and so I made a funny remark in an attempt to raise the tenor of the forum which was suffering under the post-patch deluge it often gets.

Having been a player for many years before becoming a dev, I know what it's like to have no interaction with the devs, and so now that the shoe is on the other foot, I attempt to have some semblance of interaction with the player base, whether it's with a succint and factually correct monologue or a short and witty remark about something I know nothing of.

I'm sorry that I was unable to answer your question or offer any insight into the disposition of the problem.

Ninetails o'Cat
League of Super Evil
Posted - 2010.05.29 10:49:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: CCP Atropos
Having been a player for many years before becoming a dev


Wait, does this mean you're not a player anymore? Surprised

Indimiel
Posted - 2010.05.29 10:52:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: CCP Atropos
clarification of misunderstanding


There was a brilliant GM in a game I used to play who designed an "Ildran Officiality Index" for his posts on the forums ranging from IOI = 0, which was him just being silly/funny because he as a person enjoyed that to IOI = 5, which could be taken as company dogma. I always felt it was an exceptional method to communicate with the player base without risking miscommunication.

You can google it if you like: I was always very impressed by it.

Percy Soars
Posted - 2010.05.29 10:53:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Ninetails o'Cat
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Having been a player for many years before becoming a dev


Wait, does this mean you're not a player anymore? Surprised


BazingaExclamation

Miep Miep
Posted - 2010.05.29 10:55:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Ninetails o'Cat
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Having been a player for many years before becoming a dev


Wait, does this mean you're not a player anymore? Surprised


If you take a closer look at the last 2 expansions you may start to wonder if theres anyone of them still playing eve.

TR4D3R4LT
Posted - 2010.05.29 11:05:00 - [74]
 

First time that I remember I see some forum alt to troll out a ccp dev. You're really the cancer that's killing eve forums. Good job ensuring we have one dev less which instead of posting decides not to because he might step in someone's toes. Next time try posting *serious business* with your main. (We both know Windjammer isnt it.)

XJennieX
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.05.29 12:17:00 - [75]
 

well that will be 2 less carries if i cant assign fighters from safety of pos. not gonnna bring em to harms way so could aswell sell em or keep just as logistics tools. if intentional yea very nice change ccp Shocked

Daenosa
Ghost Festival
Posted - 2010.05.29 12:31:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: XJennieX
well that will be 2 less carries if i cant assign fighters from safety of pos. not gonnna bring em to harms way so could aswell sell em or keep just as logistics tools. if intentional yea very nice change ccp Shocked


Good, your not supposed to able to attack things while in the safety of a POS

Qoi
Exert Force
Posted - 2010.05.29 13:01:00 - [77]
 

Edited by: Qoi on 30/05/2010 08:30:39
Originally by: TR4D3R4LT
First time that I remember I see some forum alt to troll out a ccp dev. You're really the cancer that's killing eve forums. Good job ensuring we have one dev less which instead of posting decides not to because he might step in someone's toes. Next time try posting *serious business* with your main. (We both know Windjammer isnt it.)

QFT Sad


offcopy
Caldari
OffBeat Creations
Posted - 2010.05.29 13:42:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: CCP Atropos
Originally by: Windjammer
You missed the point of the OP and my own post. That is this.....is this a bug or is it an intended feature change? It was a simple and reasonable question with a simple answer. Said answer? It's an issue and they're working to fix it. That's what CCP Atropos should have answered.

Indeed that is how I should have answered and I would have answered that way had I known it was infact a bug or a feature. I didn't know and so I made a funny remark in an attempt to raise the tenor of the forum which was suffering under the post-patch deluge it often gets.

Having been a player for many years before becoming a dev, I know what it's like to have no interaction with the devs, and so now that the shoe is on the other foot, I attempt to have some semblance of interaction with the player base, whether it's with a succint and factually correct monologue or a short and witty remark about something I know nothing of.

I'm sorry that I was unable to answer your question or offer any insight into the disposition of the problem.


i have to admit i liked your reply and yes i fly a carrier and a sc so keep them coming its nice to have a dev take the time to even reply and more so with a bit of wit to them. before someone says fan boy i did complain about the changes to the sc before they where sc****d.

Kharamete
Amarr
Posted - 2010.05.29 13:50:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Hopefully the next "slipped feature" will be making impossible to make ships unprobable.


Yes, I too want the unprobability drive in Eve!

Wheretoboss
Posted - 2010.05.29 14:04:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: CCP Atropos
Originally by: Windjammer
You missed the point of the OP and my own post. That is this.....is this a bug or is it an intended feature change? It was a simple and reasonable question with a simple answer. Said answer? It's an issue and they're working to fix it. That's what CCP Atropos should have answered.

Indeed that is how I should have answered and I would have answered that way had I known it was infact a bug or a feature. I didn't know and so I made a funny remark in an attempt to raise the tenor of the forum which was suffering under the post-patch deluge it often gets.

Having been a player for many years before becoming a dev, I know what it's like to have no interaction with the devs, and so now that the shoe is on the other foot, I attempt to have some semblance of interaction with the player base, whether it's with a succint and factually correct monologue or a short and witty remark about something I know nothing of.

I'm sorry that I was unable to answer your question or offer any insight into the disposition of the problem.


For by how much the more pains we take to please the world, by so much the more shall we for ever go thankless.

Ecatherina W
Gallente
AAA.FSI Holding
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.05.29 14:50:00 - [81]
 

Why, apart from locking time, would we CARE to assign fighters instead of using them ourselves when on grid with the target?

FFS! CCP, this is the 3rd or 4th big ****-up you have made with Tyrannis, the possibly most ******ed patch-spansion you have done so far.

Fearless M0F0
Incursion PWNAGE Asc
Posted - 2010.05.29 23:37:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: HeliosGal
its in the patch notes, carriers now must expose themselves on grid and uncloaked to assign fighters.


[Citation Needed]

Searched through patch notes, there is nothing there about carriers or fighters related to this.

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.05.30 02:15:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: CCP Atropos
Originally by: Windjammer
You missed the point of the OP and my own post. That is this.....is this a bug or is it an intended feature change? It was a simple and reasonable question with a simple answer. Said answer? It's an issue and they're working to fix it. That's what CCP Atropos should have answered.

Indeed that is how I should have answered and I would have answered that way had I known it was infact a bug or a feature. I didn't know and so I made a funny remark in an attempt to raise the tenor of the forum which was suffering under the post-patch deluge it often gets.

Having been a player for many years before becoming a dev, I know what it's like to have no interaction with the devs, and so now that the shoe is on the other foot, I attempt to have some semblance of interaction with the player base, whether it's with a succint and factually correct monologue or a short and witty remark about something I know nothing of.

I'm sorry that I was unable to answer your question or offer any insight into the disposition of the problem.
This is just about the most impressive post from a dev I've ever seen. If it isn't an apology, it's close enough to count as one. As such, it gives me new hope for EVE and CCP. Too often I see devs make announcements with the tone of "this is the way it is and if you don't like it, love it or leave it". CCP Atropos has just done a great deal to dispel that image.

Making a mistake tells people something. It sends a message. It may be easy to forget that when you have the letters CCP in front of your name and you post on the forums, you're speaking as the voice of CCP. Your words have weight that an ordinary players words lack.

The way one corrects or responds to a mistake can either compound the original mistake or wipe the mistake from existence and actually leave things in a better place than they were before the original mistake was made. CCP Atropos has just done that.

I hope that CCP Atropos will continue to post to these forums. I found the above post from him/her to be a refreshing breeze.

Best regards,
Windjammer

Hecatonis
Amarr
Posted - 2010.05.30 02:15:00 - [84]
 

bug or intentional, this should stay. no one should be able to field DPS without having to risk their ship.

win buttons are lame

Originally by: QT McWhiskers
The carrier can only assign fighters to people who are uncloaked.

this seems logical, if the person is cloaked how could the fighters communicate or even know where the cloaked ship is. logicality and mechanicly this seems correct

Originally by: QT McWhiskers
The carrier can only assign fighters to people who are within overview distance

this, i can see why that would bug you. logically there shouldn't be an issue you should be able to assign fighters regardless of distance, but in terms of the game one should have risk for engaging in battle. being able to sit a a safe spot or warping around evading attack but still adding DPS to a fight is unfair

Originally by: QT McWhiskers
If you cloak up, you lose control of the drones.

perfectly logical. mechanicly look above, and logically you need to communicate with this fighters, any form of communication could be traced or located, this would ruin your cloak. makes sence to me.

it is said to be a bug, but it seems like a good bug to me

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.05.30 02:35:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: TR4D3R4LT
First time that I remember I see some forum alt to troll out a ccp dev. You're really the cancer that's killing eve forums. Good job ensuring we have one dev less which instead of posting decides not to because he might step in someone's toes. Next time try posting *serious business* with your main. (We both know Windjammer isnt it.)
-It was not a troll. CCP Atropos would not have responded if it were.

-You give me far too much credit. You really think that I can frighten a dev? Kill the forums? CCP Atropos responded as he/she did because it was the right thing to do, not because he/she had the remotest concern over my "fearful and mighty power".Rolling Eyes

-As I've said on other occasions, the Windjammer character was created solely for posting on these forums. The fact that he is an alt. is readily apparent and is never denied. I created him so that my words would not attract annoyances in the game for myself and those I associate with. If you want to fight me on the forums, fight me with words and because of the words I use and the way I craft them. If you want to fight me in the game, fight me with the things found in the game because of the things I do in the game.

Windjammer

Donatella D'Tren
Eve Defence Force
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2010.05.30 02:37:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Windjammer
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Originally by: Windjammer
You missed the point of the OP and my own post. That is this.....is this a bug or is it an intended feature change? It was a simple and reasonable question with a simple answer. Said answer? It's an issue and they're working to fix it. That's what CCP Atropos should have answered.

Indeed that is how I should have answered and I would have answered that way had I known it was infact a bug or a feature. I didn't know and so I made a funny remark in an attempt to raise the tenor of the forum which was suffering under the post-patch deluge it often gets.

Having been a player for many years before becoming a dev, I know what it's like to have no interaction with the devs, and so now that the shoe is on the other foot, I attempt to have some semblance of interaction with the player base, whether it's with a succint and factually correct monologue or a short and witty remark about something I know nothing of.

I'm sorry that I was unable to answer your question or offer any insight into the disposition of the problem.
This is just about the most impressive post from a dev I've ever seen. If it isn't an apology, it's close enough to count as one. As such, it gives me new hope for EVE and CCP. Too often I see devs make announcements with the tone of "this is the way it is and if you don't like it, love it or leave it". CCP Atropos has just done a great deal to dispel that image.

Making a mistake tells people something. It sends a message. It may be easy to forget that when you have the letters CCP in front of your name and you post on the forums, you're speaking as the voice of CCP. Your words have weight that an ordinary players words lack.

The way one corrects or responds to a mistake can either compound the original mistake or wipe the mistake from existence and actually leave things in a better place than they were before the original mistake was made. CCP Atropos has just done that.

I hope that CCP Atropos will continue to post to these forums. I found the above post from him/her to be a refreshing breeze.

Best regards,
Windjammer



I sincerely hope the next time someone like this breaks out the whaaambulance, more CCP staff makes fun of them, and then tells them to STFU, or HTFU, o something of that nature. Rolling Eyes

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.05.30 07:40:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Donatella D'Tren
Originally by: Windjammer
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Originally by: Windjammer
You missed the point of the OP and my own post. That is this.....is this a bug or is it an intended feature change? It was a simple and reasonable question with a simple answer. Said answer? It's an issue and they're working to fix it. That's what CCP Atropos should have answered.

Indeed that is how I should have answered and I would have answered that way had I known it was infact a bug or a feature. I didn't know and so I made a funny remark in an attempt to raise the tenor of the forum which was suffering under the post-patch deluge it often gets.

Having been a player for many years before becoming a dev, I know what it's like to have no interaction with the devs, and so now that the shoe is on the other foot, I attempt to have some semblance of interaction with the player base, whether it's with a succint and factually correct monologue or a short and witty remark about something I know nothing of.

I'm sorry that I was unable to answer your question or offer any insight into the disposition of the problem.
This is just about the most impressive post from a dev I've ever seen. If it isn't an apology, it's close enough to count as one. As such, it gives me new hope for EVE and CCP. Too often I see devs make announcements with the tone of "this is the way it is and if you don't like it, love it or leave it". CCP Atropos has just done a great deal to dispel that image.

Making a mistake tells people something. It sends a message. It may be easy to forget that when you have the letters CCP in front of your name and you post on the forums, you're speaking as the voice of CCP. Your words have weight that an ordinary players words lack.

The way one corrects or responds to a mistake can either compound the original mistake or wipe the mistake from existence and actually leave things in a better place than they were before the original mistake was made. CCP Atropos has just done that.

I hope that CCP Atropos will continue to post to these forums. I found the above post from him/her to be a refreshing breeze.

Best regards,
Windjammer



I sincerely hope the next time someone like this breaks out the whaaambulance, more CCP staff makes fun of them, and then tells them to STFU, or HTFU, o something of that nature. Rolling Eyes
Okay. STFU and/or HTFU or something of that nature. Your wish is my.......well I'm sure you get the idea.Rolling Eyes

Terrax Norik
Posted - 2010.05.30 08:04:00 - [88]
 

Edited by: Terrax Norik on 30/05/2010 08:10:22
Originally by: Windjammer
Okay. STFU and/or HTFU or something of that nature. Your wish is my.......well I'm sure you get the idea.Rolling Eyes


Dude, you are one of the biggest pimples on the face of Eve.
You seem to be the only one that doesn't know it. Rolling Eyes

Also, I wish more Devs were like Atropos and felt free enough to joke around with us the forums more, but asshats like you make that nearly impossble.




Xereyn
Posted - 2010.05.30 08:22:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Meno Theaetetus
Originally by: Abraxias
Originally by: Meno Theaetetus

Is that seriously your response to a question from a customer?



You must be new here.


I want a decent answer to a question from a paying customer, are these changes to carrier mechanics intentional or are they bugs. I'm just getting a little sick of ccp running there company like a team of college kids programming code in someone's basement. Employ some public relations staff.



Confirming that everyone hates facetious CCP responses, that's why CCP Shadow is so unpopular.

Fake edit: Wups, I meant to say: What's wrong with you? CCP's sense of humour is a strong contender for being one of the most awesome things about EVE.

Dirk Mortice
Posted - 2010.05.30 08:28:00 - [90]
 

On eveonline.com, CCP trolls you!


good troll CCP, good troll! 10/10


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