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Gen Isis
Posted - 2010.05.26 15:27:00 - [1]
 

So I happened to be scouting through wspace and I stumbled upon the guys from K162 pos bashing, sadly I couldn't hang around to see what happened. Today I checked the killboards and it seems they lost a crapton of stuff to Noir shortly afterward!

Anyone care to tell the tale? Got little else to do til there server's back up & I'm curious :)

Also was under the impression Noir didn't do large tower POS bashing in wspace; has this policy changed?

Seamus McLove
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.05.26 16:11:00 - [2]
 

Aye, we have POS mods on the kb still as admins seem to be away. Doesn't help that theyre mostly doubled. I'm not a great writer, so i might just do a very very reduced TL;DW(rite) for my own sake.

We started off by finding an empire route for general logistics, came across a bunch of fellas in bs and down camping the highsec hole with no bubble (a basically impossible task btw, unless you have some great bumpers and you're prey uncloaks early.) We gang up quickly, head back, however unfortunately as we get to the C4-C2 wh the targets are mostly warping off due to the empire wh being closed, however we jump in an abso to get them fighting, end up killing a handful of them (the force we brought looks daft on the kb, but they had 4bs, maybe 10 support when we initally spotted them.)

Unfortunately for everyone, some non-witty smack ensues on their part, and noone likes that. We look up ESSE imperium's (them) wars, find they've been decced by a couple of empire griefing corps, we convo, theyre cool guys, so we share intel etc. By this point, things had snowballed into us bringing a tower, a week and a halfs worth of fuel and about 5 or 6 of us in ships to setup for some fun. (Hadn't attempted a bash in a C2 before either.)

Aaanyway (sorry, this is meant to be short but its a long story and its patch day) we camp their exit (they have a static highsec, with a nice mass allowance on it) and eventually they try to rush us.

Next night, we grab some RR domis to have a whack at one of their towers, we incap some guns and stuff, but we started late and so dont have enough time to RF the tower that night. (Had some of our griefing friends along for that, cheers guys.) We exchange a couple of ships over the tower.

Next day we're better prepared, start earlier, reinforced the tower we'd started the day before, set up a R*pecage around it, and return to patrolling and scanning what exits there were, killing some of ESSEs probers along the way.

Now, as we were just reaching reinforced, we start noticing a gang of 6 bombers appearing on and off scan, and for the moment, protected from bomb range by the cage and a loose formation, we think nothing of it. Most of our fellas log, leaving a handful of us to deny ESSE the chance to remove assets. Aisim is sat in an AF at the mpire wormhole, nearly asleep, when he hears bombs go off and hes sat in a pod on a wh, in a bubble, with a session change. Backup is in halfway through warp to him at this point, he escapes, seemingly miraculously, with some daft % of armour left. As myself and xila land, I pretty much land right on one of the bombers as his buds are finishing burning out of the bubble and cloaking up, killed the bomber.

Having exchanged a couple of frigs, a convo box pops up, and a good mate of mine back from underworld excavators, holy8th, is part of the bomber gang, also persuing ESSE for some crime :).

By some luck, between K162, GIRs (holy and some other ex-UE guys,) and the griefers who had them decked in empire, we had apparently cancelled one of their fueling runs, and a tower apropriately named "offline" offlines. Our ragtag swarm of temporary-blues banded together to take out the tower, scooped its mods, removed the contents of what was anchored. As seen here.

Poor chronology here btw, but ransoms had been offered at varying stages of this tale. However ESSE spent their isk instead by hiring noir to sc**** the K162 limpets from their home.

Running out of characters here, ****ing story, will post the rest in 5 minutes.

Jack Norris
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.05.26 16:23:00 - [3]
 

Did anybody's brain committed suicide after reading that?

Kan3r Blaze
Minmatar
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2010.05.26 16:44:00 - [4]
 

Good write up so far.

Originally by: Seamus McLove

...but ransoms had been offered at varying stages of this tale. However ESSE spent their isk instead by hiring noir...



Just one quick piece of advice for the future: If you're going to offer a ransom make sure it's not too high, as that then makes it a viable option for the targets to call in mercs.


Seamus McLove
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.05.26 16:54:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Seamus McLove on 27/05/2010 21:33:56
Edited by: Seamus McLove on 27/05/2010 21:32:41
... We had seen a handful of noir and noir academy guys pop through, and heard intel from various sources also mentioning they seemed to be forming up in each exit system we generated. Neutral eyes on the empire side give us a heads up some time the afternoon after the tower reinforcement and other towers death, noir eos inbound to hole... jumps into my hic bubble as the rest of our lads land... eyes tell us there was a good number of noirfolk inbound to the other side. Well, thats fine, its an empire hole. We bump the command ship out of jump range, kill it as the rest of noir are joining the fun. Unfortunately we had not accommodated for 30 hostiles jumping in simultaneously, and spawning on top of some of our guys, immediately getting a free bump, and gaining some kills on us. (apoc and 2 inties at that point, another apoc that was lost in a brave but failed snipe attempt. The battle report gets a bit mushed up for this section.)

'Bout time for a paragraph.

In the meantime, in face of around 6 to 1 odds ( a number of us were forced to go via other highsec exits through a back wh to return to the system) K162 forces withdraw to reship into scouting ships and gather intel.

During the night, an ESSE member is spotted repping up mods on his RFd tower, so dom and sev run a classic drive-by, noir arriving seconds too late to help.

So, whilst noir are gearing up to bash our tower whilst setting up their own, we start hastily anchoring and onlining the defences we had not had a chance to set up previously, not expecting such a reaction to our presence. The mercenaries start the assault whilst our gunners get prepped. Start by typical neut/jam opposite guardian pairs whilst firing on the untouched, however repping domis and the native 18% buff to armour resistance and reduction to sig radius in the system makes them nearly untouchable.

Tactics are swapped out, and as the gunning shift switched over to dom and xila, a covert hauler brings in a number of ecm, and more neuts to anchor. The plan being to make noir really work for it, managing to keep a great deal of their damage jammed. After this tactic is running (and previously shooting all sentry drones, so they could not be left out, and switching targets so the logi pilots could not nip out for a p*ss) it takes an average of 1 hour per mod to be incapped, whilst we are anchoring and onlining at, if needed, dozens per hour. Needless to say, after a very long time (8, 9 hours? they earned their pay) it appeared the logistics pilots had to go, most logging, some reshipping.

The next day, our most watchful scout, xila, has spied something with his little eye. It looks like ESSE are evacuating under noirs watchful gaze whilst our tower has finally been reinforced (noir apparently having brought in reinforcements overnight and starting earlier in the day.) An orca, helios, itty V and pod are sat at one of the control towers we had not touched, offlining things. It gets down to the SMA, and apparently some of the ships ejeced cannot be pilotted by anyone in the vicinity, so they leave them hanging in space... (I have a feeling im getting something arse-about-tit timewise again here, if anyone knows better pls do correct me) Xila ends up liberating a domi and a navy vexor from them, popping 2 frigs and a retriever whilst the other retriever is manned and flown away by esse. Running out of characters and knackered anyway... later we do this under noirs noses and this as a last "**** you" to efficiency (stupid pos mods.)
Tired fingers, o/

Edit; large amarr tower scooped with orca kill.

Kan3r Blaze
Minmatar
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2010.05.26 16:58:00 - [6]
 

You were doing so well.

Couple of things:

- Noir Academy closed over a month ago.

- Don't you dare try and claim we don't post losses. It's a bootable offense. What you're looking for is here: WH Contract Losses


Seamus McLove
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.05.26 16:59:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Seamus McLove on 26/05/2010 17:02:14
Originally by: Kan3r Blaze
Good write up so far.

Originally by: Seamus McLove

...but ransoms had been offered at varying stages of this tale. However ESSE spent their isk instead by hiring noir...



Just one quick piece of advice for the future: If you're going to offer a ransom make sure it's not too high, as that then makes it a viable option for the targets to call in mercs.




Thanks dude, was fun fighting u lot, we were trying to sc**** up another handful of pilots to give us a chance :(

Any chance now its down we could know how much you were paid? initial ransom was 1bil, we thought it very light. If they just thought "we're not gonna pay a ransom, screw em" thats fair enough on their part too :).

Also, yeah, my brain exploded when reading it :( been up all night and day as landlord is coming round for rent at some point and i cant nap and miss him.

(apologies for any lack of grace at the end, was trying to make it without going into a 3rd post. suffice it to say cheers to noir, unfortunate soldiers etc, GIRs, and ESSE :))

Edit:
Quote:
Don't you dare try and claim we don't post losses. It's a bootable offense. What you're looking for is here: WH Contract Losses


Hm apologies, we genuinely could not find it even when searching ur board for eosses, mustve been a week rollover thing?

Sorakage
Posted - 2010.05.26 17:06:00 - [8]
 

1 - http://noir.pinacoderm.com/alliancekb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12119 Eos is posted
2 - It didn`t take 1 h / mod or 9h total .

Jimer Lins
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2010.05.26 17:25:00 - [9]
 

For the reference of any future readers of this thread regarding losses and Noir. Mercenary Group:

If anyone tells you we don't post losses, they are lying to you. Any kill involving a player is posted, with extremely limited exceptions, and none that will EVER apply to anyone we are contracted against.

If it is ever demonstrated that a Noir. Mercenary Group pilot falsified or failed to post a killmail within a reasonable period of time- ESPECIALLY if it's a lossmail- that pilot will very likely be subject to sanction, and as Kan3r noted, can be summarily ejected from corp. This has happened in the past.

Noir. takes its record very seriously and the killboard/killmail system- as imperfect a system as it is - is the best way to demonstrate that record. Because we live or die by our combat effectiveness, we take accuracy in reporting extremely seriously.

In short, if you believe a killmail is not posted, was falsified or have complaints about accuracy of the Noir. Mercenary Group killboard, you should bring it up to Noir. leadership, and it WILL get sorted.

This is not intended to be a rant against the OP, who responded very kindly to Kan3r's post, but rather to quell for anyone else reading how seriously we take this kind of thing.

Kan3r Blaze
Minmatar
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2010.05.26 17:26:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Seamus McLove

Any chance now its down we could know how much you were paid? initial ransom was 1bil, we thought it very light. If they just thought "we're not gonna pay a ransom, screw em" thats fair enough on their part too :).


Would love to tell you but even us directors only get to know sketchy details. It's a need to know, and as only Alek pays us he's the one that knows. A bil is around the right mark for us for a week howevere, although there may well have been additional costs on top for location/specifics etc

Originally by: Seamus McLove
Originally by: Kan3r Blaze
Don't you dare try and claim we don't post losses. It's a bootable offense. What you're looking for is here: WH Contract Losses


Hm apologies, we genuinely could not find it even when searching ur board for eosses, mustve been a week rollover thing?


Bah, I'm just grumpy this morning. Sorry for snapping.

You're probably looking on the Noir. killboard alone. The one we use now that we're an alliance has both GIS and Noir. on it (also has the word "alliance" in the URL)


Vilgan Mazran
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2010.05.26 20:16:00 - [11]
 

Only thing you missed that I'm aware of Seamus was scooping the large control tower when the orca got popped.

Was fun gunning there at the end, even if the result was predictable. First time I was able to use the SD4 I trained like 6 months ago, and even snuck in 2 kills.


Kan3r Blaze
Minmatar
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2010.05.26 20:52:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Vilgan Mazran

Was fun gunning there at the end, even if the result was predictable. First time I was able to use the SD4 I trained like 6 months ago, and even snuck in 2 kills.



Props on not just rolling over.


Kau Feng
Pheeble Enterprises
Posted - 2010.05.26 21:43:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Jimer Lins
If anyone tells you we don't post losses, they are lying to you.

Or maybe they are looking at the wrong killboard as according to your corpmate you have two - enough to confuse anyone. Nah sod that this is Eve - they must be lying. Mad

spiked amarr
Hysera.
Posted - 2010.05.27 00:12:00 - [14]
 

+1 good read ;)

Harrigan VonStudly
Original Sin.
Underworld Excavators
Posted - 2010.05.27 01:14:00 - [15]
 

Much fun. It was great flying with ya again Seamus. Until next time mate. Twisted Evil

Ash2k7
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2010.05.27 01:27:00 - [16]
 

While Noir Academy may have closed, a member of that corp was in the adjacent highsec to the C2 and was on the hole at certain points. vov

Was a bit of an interesting weekend for some smacktalk that got out of hand. Our staging POS was, to put it nicely, assembled in a haphazard manner, but so was the whole op. I was suddenly dragooned Saturday morning into running a pos mod courier service to the nearest market hub just before we first engaged Noir.

It's what you get with some bored WH dwellers with itchy trigger fingers and perhaps a bit laissez faire with the t3s. See you next time Noir.

Kan3r Blaze
Minmatar
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2010.05.27 01:42:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Ash2k7
While Noir Academy may have closed, a member of that corp was in the adjacent highsec to the C2 and was on the hole at certain points. vov


Once again, I apologise for my earlier snappiness. Made a bit of a prat of myself with my posting today.

Grumpiness issues.

Originally by: Ash2k7
See you next time Noir.


Look forward to it Very Happy

Ash2k7
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2010.05.27 03:47:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Kan3r Blaze
Originally by: Ash2k7
While Noir Academy may have closed, a member of that corp was in the adjacent highsec to the C2 and was on the hole at certain points. vov


Once again, I apologise for my earlier snappiness. Made a bit of a prat of myself with my posting today.

Grumpiness issues.

Originally by: Ash2k7
See you next time Noir.


Look forward to it Very Happy


Very Happy

I just don't understand the irritable posting on a Wednesday... Weekends, late nights with lots of typos, sure, but you were pretty lucid for that one. Ah well now that we have the real Noir. KB sorted and foud that closed isn't a binary event we can get back to shooting people/things/staring at bubbles cloakedCool

BTW I've got a good source of cheap T2 cloaks if you know anyone who could use them Laughing

Bladen Kerst
Caldari
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2010.05.27 09:12:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Bladen Kerst on 27/05/2010 09:18:23
Edited by: Bladen Kerst on 27/05/2010 09:15:24
Originally by: Jimer Lins
For the reference of any future readers of this thread regarding losses and Noir. Mercenary Group:

If anyone tells you we don't post losses, they are lying to you. Any kill involving a player is posted, with extremely limited exceptions, and none that will EVER apply to anyone we are contracted against.

If it is ever demonstrated that a Noir. Mercenary Group pilot falsified or failed to post a killmail within a reasonable period of time- ESPECIALLY if it's a lossmail- that pilot will very likely be subject to sanction, and as Kan3r noted, can be summarily ejected from corp. This has happened in the past.

Noir. takes its record very seriously and the killboard/killmail system- as imperfect a system as it is - is the best way to demonstrate that record. Because we live or die by our combat effectiveness, we take accuracy in reporting extremely seriously.

In short, if you believe a killmail is not posted, was falsified or have complaints about accuracy of the Noir. Mercenary Group killboard, you should bring it up to Noir. leadership, and it WILL get sorted.

This is not intended to be a rant against the OP, who responded very kindly to Kan3r's post, but rather to quell for anyone else reading how seriously we take this kind of thing.



I lost apoc killing that Eos, naturally the first thing I did was to post lossmail and check if Noir did the same. The loss was there but then it DISAPPEARED I dont know when excatly but it vanished from your killboard and you had 100% efficiency till the very end of campaign until I decided to get 4 posgunners to defend reinforced pos and screw it anyway. You really should have incapacitated those 11 medium blasters...

ps sorry if it sounded like rant. All in all I had a lot of fun Razz and special thanks goes to Redo for providing two of the 4 pos gunners in the last stand.

Bladen Kerst
Caldari
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2010.05.27 10:47:00 - [20]
 


RedSplat
Posted - 2010.05.27 12:14:00 - [21]
 

Could you post the pilots name? The one that lost the Eos. Noir. take not posting losses super serial so i wonder if the individual was either a member of GIS, one of 3 members of the academy left or something else.

http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=1135

and specifically this, shows no loss

http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=1135&scl_id=21

Its not on battleclinic either

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=corp&name=Noir.&filter=losses&page=1

RedSplat
Posted - 2010.05.27 12:19:00 - [22]
 

Update:

This what you are talking about? http://eve-kill.net//?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6661411

Thats a really strange fit for a Noir. guy, no damage control and two salvagers. A bait fit?

Aha!

You can can me Clouseau.

Quote:
Victim: Vaelastra
Corp: Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner


I dont think they show up on the noir pinopicaderm (spelling?) board.

Are you saying the loss isn't on the ALLIANCE combined killboard? Obviously it wont b eon Noir. corps KB....

Pistrik
Minmatar
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2010.05.27 13:03:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Pistrik on 27/05/2010 13:06:02
http://noir.pinacoderm.com/alliancekb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12119

The kill is posted. I am, however, unsure as to why it is not being seen.

Edit: I found the issue. The loss was posted on the 22nd, while all killboards are currently on the following week... which started on the 23rd. Hence you would not see the Eos loss.

Stovo kor
Firebird Squadron
Posted - 2010.05.27 15:10:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Seamus McLove
...

The next day, our most watchful scout, xila, has spied something with his little eye. It looks like ESSE are evacuating under noirs watchful gaze whilst our tower has finally been reinforced (noir apparently having brought in reinforcements overnight and starting earlier in the day.) An orca, helios, itty V and pod are sat at one of the control towers we had not touched, offlining things. It gets down to the SMA, and apparently some of the ships ejeced cannot be pilotted by anyone in the vicinity, so they leave them hanging in space... (I have a feeling im getting something arse-about-tit timewise again here, if anyone knows better pls do correct me) Xila ends up liberating a domi and a navy vexor from them, popping 2 frigs and a retriever whilst the other retriever is manned and flown away by esse. Running out of characters and knackered anyway... later we do this under noirs noses and this as a last "**** you" to efficiency (stupid pos mods.)



Nice writeup. Looks like a nice fight.

Some clarification. So what was the final outcome ? ESSE is still in that wormhole or not.

From the text, my understanding is ESSE smacked talked. Hired NOIR but still ultimately had to evacuate their wormhole.
Wrong assumption on my part ?


GreaseMonkeyAlt
Posted - 2010.05.27 17:23:00 - [25]
 

http://apertureharmonics.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6659603

What the... I don't...

*Hem*

Why is the top damage dealer an Iteron V?

And why is it firing Megathrons? Shocked

Seamus McLove
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.05.27 18:05:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: GreaseMonkeyAlt
http://apertureharmonics.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6659603

What the... I don't...

*Hem*

Why is the top damage dealer an Iteron V?

And why is it firing Megathrons? Shocked


It's our special build of T3 ship. In certain configurations the killboard assumes they are an industrial shooting battleships, as thats the closest thing the interwebs can imagine to the actual ship.

Hey firebird squadron :) I'm not personally sure about if esse have totally evacuated yet, my computers just decided to throw a hissyfit so ive not kept up properly, fingers crossed they remain a valid target though.

Bladen Kerst
Caldari
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2010.05.27 18:31:00 - [27]
 

2 out of 5 towers to go mate Razz

DrDan21
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.05.27 19:41:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: DrDan21 on 27/05/2010 19:45:40
Edited by: DrDan21 on 27/05/2010 19:45:27
A bit was left out of this tale...I can't fill it in atm as I'm at work, but later perhaps.

Jimer Lins
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2010.05.27 21:27:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Jimer Lins on 27/05/2010 21:33:39
Originally by: Kau Feng
Originally by: Jimer Lins
If anyone tells you we don't post losses, they are lying to you.

Or maybe they are looking at the wrong killboard as according to your corpmate you have two - enough to confuse anyone. Nah sod that this is Eve - they must be lying. Mad


This is a fair criticism. It's come up once before to my knowledge. Since forming the Noir. Mercenary Group alliance with GIS we needed a separate killboard, which is at http://noir.pinacoderm.com/alliancekb. We have updated the Noir. thread on this forum with the proper URLs some time ago and consistently use the new KB in any communications. Apologies to anyone who is or has been confused by this issue in the past.

However, there have been cases where Noir. has been falsely accused of not posting losses for the sole purpose of sullying our reputation, all of which have been roundly disproven. This is the type of thing I was referring to in my response earlier.

Also, it should be noted that the "window" on the main page of the Noir. Mercenary Group killboard for kills and losses is the current week, and it is keyed to EVE time (GMT). Essentially this means that at 2359 GMT on Saturday the week "ends" and the next week starts at 0000 GMT of Sunday morning. You can see a list of all kills for the current week by going here: http://noir.pinacoderm.com/alliancekb/?a=kills as well as all losses for the current week by going here: http://noir.pinacoderm.com/alliancekb/?a=losses. In the upper right corner of each page is a navigation window allowing you to navigate to the previous week when a kill or loss was incurred around the week changeover as described above.

As always, if you are unable to find a kill or lossmail you would have expected to see, contact Noir. leadership and the issue will be looked into.

Thanks!

Seamus McLove
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.05.27 21:32:00 - [30]
 

lol classic forums, question raised, gets answered twice, confusion remains. This is why we cant have nice things. Removed the offending article from the not-quite-OP.

Also to the esse guy, sweet, sounds interesting, hope ur day at work wasnt too bad.


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