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Nhoj Sllew
Amarr
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.05.21 03:53:00 - [31]
 

because they were terrible thats why

not Mogs
Caldari
TribalWar Inc
Posted - 2010.05.21 05:50:00 - [32]
 

what happened to GLD? Were they not up to par with SYS-K standards?

Vex Shallobar
Amarr
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.05.21 09:01:00 - [33]
 

With Liam leaving,alliance morale was down and many people really stopped caring about what was going on. The new leadership was around but not active and busy the way Liam was. Fleet compositions went to **** and organization broke down. It almost seemed like we had nobody keeping track of reinforcement timers etc in order to schedule ctas. Not to mention, ctas that were called were mailed 2-3 hours or less prior to when the fleet was expected to form up. We obviously had the ability to fend off Coven/SE with Liam around as we proved in our defence of HHQ,but the new leadership obviously wasn't able. Long story short Sys K+Liam/INET=YARRRR!! New Sys K=ugh

Smoke Adian
Caldari
League of Gentlemen
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2010.05.21 11:33:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Vex Shallobar
With Liam leaving,alliance morale was down and many people really stopped caring about what was going on. The new leadership was around but not active and busy the way Liam was. Fleet compositions went to **** and organization broke down. It almost seemed like we had nobody keeping track of reinforcement timers etc in order to schedule ctas. Not to mention, ctas that were called were mailed 2-3 hours or less prior to when the fleet was expected to form up. We obviously had the ability to fend off Coven/SE with Liam around as we proved in our defence of HHQ,but the new leadership obviously wasn't able. Long story short Sys K+Liam/INET=YARRRR!! New Sys K=ugh


^ this. Sys-k was most definitely a cult of personality. Liam was a great leader and his fleets were hilariously entertaining. porco dio.

Arcanim Al'Seif
Caldari
Volatile Nature
Posted - 2010.05.21 13:54:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Dr Stroomb


I ask myself, what happened to the original pilots, the ones that were attending the fleet fights in the beginning. You see, if these remained then it should not be a problem to field the proper numbers and kit. If you were having 200 pilots in fleet out of an alliance membership of 1000, you still (in theory) should be able to field 200 pilots out of an alliance of 4000, 10000, etc. I grant you the fact that with a larger member base you could have fielded 2 fleets.

Besides, you needed these corps to keep space for you.




With regards to the original pilots a large percentage of our Liam Era CTA fleets would come from both I.Net and SSE. I.Net, though still a member of the alliance in name until very recently left Esoteria. SSE joined En Garde a couple of months back prior to the C0ven/SE conflict starting. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that these two corps between them were making the fleets, however they were providing a bulk of not only the experienced pilots but also the FCs we as an alliance were used to working under. Although we were sometimes achieving the kind of numbers we would expect from a 0.0 alliance, we were not seeing the ship types required to hold our space. Especially against such well-formed group as C0ven and SE. Mittens wrote a long time ago that Sys-K formed the line-slime for the StainWagon fleets with C0ven and SE providing the main cap group/specialized forces. This never changed and we had lost a lot of our core pilots whilst C0ven and SE had gotten more powerful.

Arca

Aaron
Caldari
Eternal Frontier
Enemy-Fleet
Posted - 2010.05.22 21:08:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Liam Fremen
Originally by: captain dirka

long story short, liam left the game



Sadly this is true, i had to leave nearly without notice all the stressfull things i was doing in eve, added to the problems in rl it was ruining my health, due to that i had no time to fix up a new leadership before leaving, let's say that what happened lately is mostly my fault Neutral




Well done Liam, you did very well as a leader according to my sources, I hope you can relax a bit now you've quit eve. Good Luck Mate.

Bunzan Cardinal
Minmatar
Ascendent.
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2010.05.26 09:48:00 - [37]
 

so now that sys-k is out of esoteria, does this make the pew pewing stop between them and coven/stain?

Dr Kang
Caldari
Ascendent.
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2010.05.27 02:14:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Bradton
Originally by: Marcus Ratz
Our Lemmings are all gone. Someone left the gate open and they all ran out, headed straight for the nearest cliff and jumped. You know how lemmings are.

We have decided not to adopt any more lemmings. They may be cute and cuddly, but they really are more trouble than they are worth.

From now on, we're just keeping Rottweilers.




Rottweilers? i was told we were chihuahuas, damit...


No,no,no. It was marmots. Also Carl told me to pack a freighter full of rubber gloves and vaseline to bring to PB, and this would end all our problems.

ImmaSplodeYou
Amarr
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.05.31 18:38:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: John McCreedy
Originally by: Kishin Sendo
****s
Stuff


+1 for honesty and clarity, best post all day

Good luck in P-B

IronGoldenEagle
Caldari
The New Era
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2010.06.01 06:22:00 - [40]
 

Hmmm, facts seem to show that what, 4 of the corps that left were the top 6 in stats on your own kb. I'm sure they just weren't living up to the standards of EDF that provided 6 BSs for the final defense of A1.

Sys-k was the epitome of fail and their 3000 + 4000 allies could not overcome 1000 C0VEN AND Stain so lol.

Dengen Krastinov
Amarr
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2010.06.01 07:52:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Callum545
i blame cosmoboy


hur hur Laughing

Pixel SonursCreen
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2010.06.01 21:04:00 - [42]
 

no comment

Aaron
Caldari
Eternal Frontier
Enemy-Fleet
Posted - 2010.06.17 16:25:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: IronGoldenEagle
Hmmm, facts seem to show that what, 4 of the corps that left were the top 6 in stats on your own kb. I'm sure they just weren't living up to the standards of EDF that provided 6 BSs for the final defense of A1.

Sys-k was the epitome of fail and their 3000 + 4000 allies could not overcome 1000 C0VEN AND Stain so lol.


Stain Empire and Coven have read from the book that lots of us haven't read.

Even still i have respect for sys-k and I will not riddicule them in any way. Managing large groups of people will always be a difficult task. To say that sys-k failed is wrong, ultimatley i respect them for trying.


Lightningshade
Caldari
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2010.06.17 16:38:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Aaron
Originally by: IronGoldenEagle
Hmmm, facts seem to show that what, 4 of the corps that left were the top 6 in stats on your own kb. I'm sure they just weren't living up to the standards of EDF that provided 6 BSs for the final defense of A1.

Sys-k was the epitome of fail and their 3000 + 4000 allies could not overcome 1000 C0VEN AND Stain so lol.


Stain Empire and Coven have read from the book that lots of us haven't read.

Even still i have respect for sys-k and I will not riddicule them in any way. Managing large groups of people will always be a difficult task. To say that sys-k failed is wrong, ultimatley i respect them for trying.




You of all people commenting on ****ing anything is a sheer ****ing disgrace to the English language.

Aaron
Caldari
Eternal Frontier
Enemy-Fleet
Posted - 2010.06.17 19:42:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Aaron on 17/06/2010 19:46:50
Originally by: Lightningshade
Originally by: Aaron
Originally by: IronGoldenEagle
Hmmm, facts seem to show that what, 4 of the corps that left were the top 6 in stats on your own kb. I'm sure they just weren't living up to the standards of EDF that provided 6 BSs for the final defense of A1.

Sys-k was the epitome of fail and their 3000 + 4000 allies could not overcome 1000 C0VEN AND Stain so lol.


Stain Empire and Coven have read from the book that lots of us haven't read.

Even still i have respect for sys-k and I will not riddicule them in any way. Managing large groups of people will always be a difficult task. To say that sys-k failed is wrong, ultimatley i respect them for trying.




You of all people commenting on ****ing anything is a sheer ****ing disgrace to the English language.


What's wrong with my opinion block head? furthermore what do you know? Good luck to the person whose gotta try and manage people like you, you're downright impossible.

EDIT: if you see me talking about Stain Empire and Coven shut up and listen, I have fought these guys since you were a noob mining veldspar in kakakela.

The problem is people like you don't know when to STFU and follow instructions, you always think you know best and have the answer for everything.

John McCreedy
Caldari
Eve Defence Force
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2010.06.17 20:41:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: IronGoldenEagle
I'm sure they just weren't living up to the standards of EDF that provided 6 BSs for the final defense of A1.


That's because ten of EDF where in Dreads Cool

Sephiroth CloneIIV
Gallente
Rim Worlds Republic
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2010.06.17 23:25:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: Sephiroth CloneIIV on 17/06/2010 23:25:35
SC, or stain wagon as a unified power block isn't helping itself by having alliance members shooting each other.

But I guess thatís political disputes for you. Some power blocks are not really close allies, but instead a loose conglomerate of self serving competing groups, each ready to stab each other in the back and take each others resources if the other shows a bit of weakness.

Imagine if NC was like that, if when WI was losing geminite and MM and Majesta empire would be like "tough ****" unblues them and starts shooting them when trying evacuating into their space, and take some of the systems for themselves.

Lightningshade
Caldari
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2010.06.18 16:58:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Aaron
Edited by: Aaron on 17/06/2010 19:46:50
Originally by: Lightningshade
Originally by: Aaron
Originally by: IronGoldenEagle
Hmmm, facts seem to show that what, 4 of the corps that left were the top 6 in stats on your own kb. I'm sure they just weren't living up to the standards of EDF that provided 6 BSs for the final defense of A1.

Sys-k was the epitome of fail and their 3000 + 4000 allies could not overcome 1000 C0VEN AND Stain so lol.


Stain Empire and Coven have read from the book that lots of us haven't read.

Even still i have respect for sys-k and I will not riddicule them in any way. Managing large groups of people will always be a difficult task. To say that sys-k failed is wrong, ultimatley i respect them for trying.




You of all people commenting on ****ing anything is a sheer ****ing disgrace to the English language.


What's wrong with my opinion block head? furthermore what do you know? Good luck to the person whose gotta try and manage people like you, you're downright impossible.

EDIT: if you see me talking about Stain Empire and Coven shut up and listen, I have fought these guys since you were a noob mining veldspar in kakakela.

The problem is people like you don't know when to STFU and follow instructions, you always think you know best and have the answer for everything.


Hey, didn't you once have the answer for everything? Until of course 90% of the people you "managed" set about raping the **** out of pretty much anything you undocked? In that CVA style bastardization of Hub Zero?

Oh yeh, that's you alright. The only person I know of that is generally disliked more than Liam (Hey Liam, love you long time xxx)

so, you've been spanked by SE and Coven loads, apparently getting ****d makes you a ****ing expert on the subject?

IronGoldenEagle
Caldari
The New Era
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2010.06.18 17:05:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: John McCreedy
Originally by: IronGoldenEagle
I'm sure they just weren't living up to the standards of EDF that provided 6 BSs for the final defense of A1.


That's because ten of EDF where in Dreads Cool


That ya'll didnt use...

Aaron
Caldari
Eternal Frontier
Enemy-Fleet
Posted - 2010.06.19 15:02:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: Aaron on 19/06/2010 17:01:01
Lightningshade, oh I get it, another " I hate Aaron thread"

Funny you should mention the people I "managed", they thought they knew better than me and joined sys-k thinking they would be better off in Stain Wagon. The people I "managed" wanted to be NBSI, I wanted them to be NRDS so we fell out and started fighting.

Now these guys are back dwelling near me and they dislike me because I was right and they were wrong.

I could manage a big alliance, however, block heads like you would not listen cos you think you know better when you actually don't.

Just like Liam I have no interest in managing people like you and I'm happy just to have a small group of buddies and have some FUN. Think before you type your nonsense Lightningshade u really haven't got a clue.


Azran Zala
Caldari
Fleet of the Damned
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2010.06.20 00:14:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: Azran Zala on 20/06/2010 00:36:21
Originally by: Lightningshade

..Oh yeh, that's you alright. The only person I know of that is generally disliked more than Liam...



I like Liam <3


igRaVeN
Amarr
Drunken Wookies
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.06.20 01:59:00 - [52]
 

Sir Rave-A-Lot

I'm a liam left-nut lover and I can not lie
You other pod-caps cant deny

When a hauler warps in with a lil' moon waste
And a round thing in your face
You get sprung

Wanna pull up tough
Cuz you notice that hold was stuffed

Deep space he's been caring
I'm hooked, and I can't stop staring

Oh, Baby I wanna fly with ya
And take your picture

Local tried to warn me
But that left-nut you got
Makes me so horney

Dodgy Past
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Posted - 2010.06.20 11:21:00 - [53]
 

Have to say I've seen nothing of Sys-K in Stain for ages now. C0ven and LR pay us regular visits but considering that Sys-K are supposed to be more PvP orientated these days they really should try harder.

Aaron
Caldari
Eternal Frontier
Enemy-Fleet
Posted - 2010.06.20 21:49:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Aaron on 21/06/2010 01:57:58
Originally by: igRaVeN
Sir Rave-A-Lot

I'm a liam left-nut lover and I can not lie
You other pod-caps cant deny

When a hauler warps in with a lil' moon waste
And a round thing in your face
You get sprung

Wanna pull up tough
Cuz you notice that hold was stuffed

Deep space he's been caring
I'm hooked, and I can't stop staring

Oh, Baby I wanna fly with ya
And take your picture

Local tried to warn me
But that left-nut you got
Makes me so horney



lol Very Happy

Sala Kyss
Gallente
Ceptacemia
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2010.06.21 04:20:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Dodgy Past
Have to say I've seen nothing of Sys-K in Stain for ages now. C0ven and LR pay us regular visits but considering that Sys-K are supposed to be more PvP orientated these days they really should try harder.


I'd check your kb's again, because i see brick squad on ours alot now :)

Lofe sXe
Caldari
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.06.21 11:45:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: John McCreedy
... and get back to our roots as a PvP Alliance.


this is pure roftl Very Happy

Aaron
Caldari
Eternal Frontier
Enemy-Fleet
Posted - 2010.06.22 16:31:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: John McCreedy
Originally by: Kishin Sendo
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Systematic-Chaos/stats

why the fail cascade?


I'd not normally post here but I'll explain it as best I can and then the trolls can go to work.

Some months ago, a decision was made by the then Alliance leadership to change to a quantity over quality approach to recruitment. This had repercussions when c0ven and SE decided to attack our soverignty. CTAs would be called with fleet composition focus on Sniper Battleships and alot of corp's members where turning up in T1 Cruisers/Battlecruisers or not turning up at all. Similary, despite our having a large number of Dreads and Carriers, Corps and/or their members where unwilling to commit them meaning we where outmached in the Capital department. There was also a communications break down between Primary and Sys-K (this was our fault, not theirs) resulting in them often not knowing about CTAs undermining their attempts to help us. When we lost A1, a decision was made to pull back to our Period Basis holdings and get back to our roots as a PvP Alliance. The interium Leadership made a decision of who should stay and who should go, based upon several factors:

1. Did they bring the right ships to fleets?
2. Where these ships fitted correctly?
3. Size of their Cap fleet and willingness to field it.
4. Was their primary focus on PvP?

Each corp. not chosen to remain where told the reasons why, asked to turn over the station to our infrastructure Corp. and given a default five day withdrawl time with extensions given upon request and help offered to evac assets. A couple of Corps decided to leave of their own volition. The majority of CEOs whilst obviously disapointed, where understanding and co-operated with our requests. Two were not. This resulted in our having to take back one of our own stations in Period Basis with a little help from our friends in LR and RKK (thank you to both).

Our focus now is on securing our Period Basis holdings and bringing the fun back to our burnt out pilots. I'll not deny Systematic Chaos was on the verge of a fail cascade but contrary to the belief that we did, these steps allowed us to keep the core of the Alliance together and prevented that very thing from happening. Hopefully over the comming months, you'll see a very different Systematic Chaos from the one we were prior to these changes.


sounds like a well thought out plan.

Therem Harth
Caldari
Aeria Gloris Inc
Posted - 2010.06.26 08:48:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: John McCreedy

Our focus now is on securing our Period Basis holdings and bringing the fun back to our burnt out pilots. I'll not deny Systematic Chaos was on the verge of a fail cascade but contrary to the belief that we did, these steps allowed us to keep the core of the Alliance together and prevented that very thing from happening. Hopefully over the comming months, you'll see a very different Systematic Chaos from the one we were prior to these changes.


Just make sure it doesn't go the way it did with XETIC, Cyvok and the whole minister of defence thing Rolling Eyes

Oh, and hello Deva /waves

Liam Fremen
Gallente
Insurgent New Eden Tribe
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.26 09:52:00 - [59]
 


Good Luck guys :)

Try to do better then what i did learning by my mistakes too, sys-k is something i created and i wish all the best to it!

The idea of cleaning up is something i always tought about, but the requirement for our commitment in the various big engagement was a big number of pilots in fleet, during my management sys-k was always a realiable big sub-capital force, it made the difference many times so we always had to balance between useless people and good one trying to end up with a decent mix.

Now that you don't have the same pression you can work on your quality creating a better group, and i can't wait to see the good results :) make the old Liam proud ^^

Kitasi
Caldari
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.06.26 10:03:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Bonny Lee

Could it be that you started writing your post and thought it would be a good idea and then realized that you dont have any clew about sys-k and just filled it with some crappy fail-information.


You miss-spelled "clue."

Originally by: Kishin Sendo

So in another words, you lost the war to C0VEN and decide to move, and in the process loosing most of your corps.


You have used the present tense of "lose" (loosing <sic>) when the past tense (lost) would have been appropriate. Alternativly you could added "...ended up losing..." to create the same effect while mainting grammitical accuracy.



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