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Mareck001
Caldari
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.05.26 13:48:00 - [91]
 

From one grunt to another:

I have been involved in engagements from day -1 ( yes, the war started a little early)
I have been involved in every bit of fighting. From being in a superior force to getting a******d by a superior force.
Here's what I have noticed in the last 6 weeks:

Very Happy NC is much more organized and better informed
Very Happy NC seems to follow the FC orders and get the job done
Rolling Eyes SC seems to be fragmented and can't seem to field the ?proper? force
Rolling Eyes WHEN they do seem to field the proper( and even superior force) they still get their a## handed to them ( H-W )
we all fight the lag monster......but, you should be ready when you're fighting this big of a battle....

do us all a favor---stay in Jita and find something else to talk about bigboi

Hyveres
Caldari
Resilience.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.05.26 14:02:00 - [92]
 

Edited by: Hyveres on 26/05/2010 14:05:12
Originally by: Captain Thunk
Sorry but SC is no different to NC. The fact you seem to genuinely think you're different is your biggest mistake.

The simplest indicator of this is your killboard. At any given time your overall efficiency is 50-60% - I'm not saying killboards are the cast iron litmus test of the performance of an alliance, but it does serve a purpose in giving a general idea. The one strength of your alliance is numbers which compensates for the lack of ability and terrible competency of the average grunt. But even then, your numbers need to be bolstered with pets and allies to act as meatshields and sacrificial lambs.
There might be "no difference" in what NC and SC are but there are clear differences in how they operate.

Never played as part of the NC myself but they do seem to have a lot more "mixed" fleets while our side to a far larger degree runs multiple smaller fleets with their own FC's based on people in their own alliances. The difference between a sentralized integrated organisation structure and a desentralized one I'd say.

Ofc both sides field large numbers and throw a lot of people in. But the way stuff gets organised are different.

Captain Thunk
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.05.26 14:09:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Hyveres
Edited by: Hyveres on 26/05/2010 14:05:12
Originally by: Captain Thunk
Sorry but SC is no different to NC. The fact you seem to genuinely think you're different is your biggest mistake.

The simplest indicator of this is your killboard. At any given time your overall efficiency is 50-60% - I'm not saying killboards are the cast iron litmus test of the performance of an alliance, but it does serve a purpose in giving a general idea. The one strength of your alliance is numbers which compensates for the lack of ability and terrible competency of the average grunt. But even then, your numbers need to be bolstered with pets and allies to act as meatshields and sacrificial lambs.
There might be "no difference" in what NC and SC are but there are clear differences in how they operate.

Never played as part of the NC myself but they do seem to have a lot more "mixed" fleets while our side to a far larger degree runs multiple smaller fleets with their own FC's based on people in their own alliances. The difference between a sentralized integrated organisation structure and a desentralized one I'd say.

Ofc both sides field large numbers and throw a lot of people in. But the way stuff gets organised are different.



Yeah, so the end result is always the same. The path you both take to get there is largely irrelevent.

dastommy79
Caldari
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas.
Posted - 2010.05.26 14:16:00 - [94]
 

Dear snot shot,

bro it's ok. NC does a better job at this war. We fought many war and tired. After month no get anything except bloody nose. Now we kick out people who shoot renters for glory of empire. Once server fix good we go back for fun but only fun. IT back to nuetral. We have empire of atlas cow gc to maintain. IT have they empire and -A- theirs. NC are bad still and we fight their evil when we rest good from wars. Molle bad planner. Bobby is great hero.

Beachura
Caldari
Exiled.
The Kadeshi
Posted - 2010.05.26 14:51:00 - [95]
 

Edited by: Beachura on 26/05/2010 14:51:02
Atlas, please.. just screw up IT, they need to have their asses handed to them

Hapey Witredeyes
Caldari
Retribution. Inc.
Looney Toons.
Posted - 2010.05.26 16:15:00 - [96]
 

The ways in how the two Coalitions are run, namely their vast similarity to the Union and the Confederacy of the civil war, gives me a great idea. Idea

Let's do a civil war reenactment! The battle @ H-W has a little resemblance to Gettysburg.Surprised

dastommy79
Caldari
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas.
Posted - 2010.05.26 16:25:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Hapey Witredeyes
The ways in how the two Coalitions are run, namely their vast similarity to the Union and the Confederacy of the civil war, gives me a great idea. Idea

Let's do a civil war reenactment! The battle @ H-W has a little resemblance to Gettysburg.Surprised


I wanna be booth and bust a cap in lincons (tomcats) head.

Actualy H-W was more like the holocost where molle tricked us all by concentrating all of us into pos's and then the NC camped us in and slaughtered us all.

(this is why we don't do RL analogies for Internet spaceship game)

Hapey Witredeyes
Caldari
Retribution. Inc.
Looney Toons.
Posted - 2010.05.26 16:32:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: dastommy79
Originally by: Hapey Witredeyes
The ways in how the two Coalitions are run, namely their vast similarity to the Union and the Confederacy of the civil war, gives me a great idea. Idea

Let's do a civil war reenactment! The battle @ H-W has a little resemblance to Gettysburg.Surprised


I wanna be booth and bust a cap in lincons (tomcats) head.

Actualy H-W was more like the holocost where molle tricked us all by concentrating all of us into pos's and then the NC camped us in and slaughtered us all.

(this is why we don't do RL analogies for Internet spaceship game)



True, I guess history can be interpreted in different ways.

RL analogies still give more to talk about than incessant trolling, lol.

Who would Harriet Tubman be in EvE?

Itzena
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.05.26 17:34:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Snot Shot

As you all know I get a pretty good chuckle reading all the spin that each of you try and put on these wars, how they were
won/lost, and what the fall out will be. Its actually pretty interesting to see how hard the NC and PL work the forum spin
attempting with each post to drive a wedge between the SC Alliances....
Its subtle, and probably missed by most, but the sysops push is on with each post:

"Atlas was used by IT and treated badly"...Crying or Very sad
"The NC will support Atlas when they go to war against IT"...Wink
"Bobby had the guts to stand up to Molle"..Shocked
"Props to Bobby for being honest"...Cool
"IT is the reason the war failed and Molle is to blame!!"...Wink
"Molle threatened Atlas and -A- so we should all help them destroy IT!!"...Confused
"Atlas is our new BFF and we should defend their honour!!"...Rolling Eyes

And on and on it goes trying to plant the seed of deceit in the SC Alliances heads......pretty weak NC, pretty weak...Rolling Eyes

The war was lost when the "5 Teams" did not show up together plain and simple. IT was burned out fighting all of the NC for
a month while -A- was burned out taking Providence down. WTF Atlas was doing the whole time no ones knows but I guess its
true that once one thing goes wrong Bobby blames everyone else and runs back home with his toys....Neutral

Let's be honest here, the game is f'd and at this point the only style of fighting that it supports is the **** that PL does.
Small groups of about 100 picking fights with weaker groups, hot dropping, or blowing stuff up when no one is around. If the
SC wanted some good PvP balance they would:

* Keep X-7, Aunenen, Obe etc, fully stocked with ships and such.
* Jump clones at their respective stations
* Have planned events together where they all jump up there a couple weekends a month for some fun and see who can
achieve an objective in their designated target systems....or something along those lines.

While back at home the SC should have a rotating schedule each day/week as to who is responsible for tracking and hunting
down PL and wiping them out again. PL needs to be kept guessing as to who is after them instead of who should they go after.

Fly safe ***gots....YARRRR!!


You seem upset.

Sextus Licinius
Caldari
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.05.26 19:38:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Beachura
Edited by: Beachura on 26/05/2010 14:51:02
Atlas, please.. just screw up IT, they need to have their asses handed to them


waa...waa, please Atlas, please screw up IT. Try begging, Atlas loves to be begged Laughing

dastommy79
Caldari
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas.
Posted - 2010.05.26 21:17:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Beachura
Edited by: Beachura on 26/05/2010 14:51:02
Atlas, please.. just screw up IT, they need to have their asses handed to them


bring me nudes of Tomcat and a nyx and we can work something out.

Ace Frehley
Minmatar
Mercenaries of Andosia
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.05.26 22:36:00 - [102]
 

give me an aeon and I can provide pics of dastys beard and maybe go those 100 kms north to visit Molle Cool

DaiTengu
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.05.27 01:16:00 - [103]
 

Edited by: DaiTengu on 27/05/2010 01:16:42
hey look, a 0.0 politics thread by 0.0 superstars privateer alliance.

Originally by: Ace Frehley
give me an aeon and I can provide pics of dastys beard and maybe go those 100 kms north to visit Molle Cool


I'll let you touch mine, does that count?

Grath Telkin
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.05.27 16:48:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: sodney
Originally by: Ace Frehley

No seriously (err spelling), if you wanna evolve in the art of pvp, you wont to do that when you in the gang who is in the biggest blob, it is no suprise that the best pvpers that NC has ever produce never stay within NC for long, look at the alliance tourny. Same thing applies to the most alliance in the "south" aswell. The only alliance that differd from this was the old Bob when it was at its peak, how many times dident they win?

But sadly eve is about numbers and I hope CCP fix this stupid sov-thing, cuz dominion made blobing even worse Evil or Very Mad


I wasn't talking about tactics the NC uses, I'm not exactly an FC though I can tell you we have engaged multiple times with smaller numbers/inferior force.

Everytime you guys gotta just swing back to that, my point was that everyone cries about us getting large numbers, but that's what everyone does, that's what you did. Attack on h-w? Take everyone you can and try lock it down. But for some reason whenever the NC gets some numbers it's automatically LOOK AT THEM BLOBBERS THEY'RE TRYING TO LAG OUT THE SYSTEM.


Actually, if you read my post, I blame all the sides for not understanding the fundamental changes that Dominion instituted (all sides being the IT block, the NC block, and the Atlas block).

All 3 groups fall under the same banner of "afraid of failure", so much so that your willing to utterly break the game in any fight to assure victory, or minimize the chance of defeat.

There are ways around what your doing right now, but none of the effected sides are willing to look at options that limit fleet numbers in one system, the bullheaded approach of "Pile everybody in here" is taken by any side in any fight, even though you know the game won't handle it.

In the end, if not you personally, your leaders are picking the LEAST fun way to play a GAME, and your following them like sheep.


Tomcat
Gallente
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.05.27 18:37:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: dastommy79
Originally by: Hapey Witredeyes
The ways in how the two Coalitions are run, namely their vast similarity to the Union and the Confederacy of the civil war, gives me a great idea. Idea

Let's do a civil war reenactment! The battle @ H-W has a little resemblance to Gettysburg.Surprised


I wanna be booth and bust a cap in lincons (tomcats) head.

Actualy H-W was more like the holocost where molle tricked us all by concentrating all of us into pos's and then the NC camped us in and slaughtered us all.

(this is why we don't do RL analogies for Internet spaceship game)


http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j61/Rircore/wks0b8.jpg
Image changed into URL.Applebabe

FOl2TY8
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.05.27 18:43:00 - [106]
 

so snot shot is an IT alt right?

sodney
Minmatar
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2010.05.27 19:28:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Hyveres
Originally by: sodney
I wasn't talking about tactics the NC uses, I'm not exactly an FC though I can tell you we have engaged multiple times with smaller numbers/inferior force.

Everytime you guys gotta just swing back to that, my point was that everyone cries about us getting large numbers, but that's what everyone does, that's what you did. Attack on h-w? Take everyone you can and try lock it down. But for some reason whenever the NC gets some numbers it's automatically LOOK AT THEM BLOBBERS THEY'RE TRYING TO LAG OUT THE SYSTEM.
Just a lil point of view from a grunt.

When H-W happened there were several alliances who didnt pile in that system and were outside doing other stuff. Afaik NC forces overall outnumbered us about 2:1 as the evening came and it became us TZ on the 2nd day(when the node was chaincrashed for 10+ hours). NC might have gone all in one system but what we did was fighting here and there. And you should easily have been able to split up into 2-3 groups and kept H-W + engaged us elsewhere.

Seeing however as that isnt a megablob strategy it was not implemented.

As for engaging with inferior forces, in most cases unless NC outnumber us by 50% you will not engage. There are exceptions to this but most of those were at the start of the campaign.


It's pretty obvious why we turn down some engagements atm. IT (or rather sir molle) has professed the war as a war of extinction, not just for gfs. And there are some fights we have to try to win, but we haven't had those in a while. Just trying to kill some pos of yours most of which are in X-70. We can't just turn it down and go somewhere else or come back later. All thanks to your ITs lack of success :P

And regardless if it wasn't absolutely everyone in h-w except for some people doing stuff outside the fact remains that you wanted everyone OTHER then those people in h-w. I'm not saying you do it to crash the node, we don't either, you'd just have to be a dumbass not to use numbers you have/can get.

Kay Rizen
Minmatar
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2010.05.28 22:25:00 - [108]
 

We say "Atlas was used by IT and treated badly", and they post that they were treated badly by IT and they're pulling out of the region with their tail between their legs.

We say "Molle threatened Atlas and -A- so we should all help them destroy IT!!", and they are pulling out of the region with their tail between their legs.

I guess you're right, we're pretty amazing spin doctors.

Snot Shot
Minmatar
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2010.05.28 23:42:00 - [109]
 


As I said many times before, these wars are pretty predictable and I am surprised that Mitts has not written about this slop before. As I said about 2 months ago the following would happen:

"The NC tears and, in no particular order, their checklist for the next 6 months"..

1.Cry about being blobbed - check...then NC did it instead..YARRRR!!
2.SC plan is to just crash nodes to win battles!!!!! - check....and then NC did it instead..YARRRR!!
3.Apologize to PL for leaving them to die in the Fountain fire`.get them back to their blindsiding roots -check and paid them 350 Bill...Wink
4.Apologize to SOLOwhatever for leaving them to loose 3 Regions in 45 minutes, get them to Bomb the SC....check and made them dress-up in French maids outfits for TCF..Embarassed
5.Start calling AAA / Atlas pets of IT to try and cause ego friction....check and Bobby ran..
6.Start calling everyone pets of IT to try and cause ego friction...still doing that daily using puppet alliances in the south etc..Rolling Eyes
7."Molle will use you all and then kick you to the curb!!"...check and keep spinning this one till it drops..Very Happy
8.Wait till a SC team looses a battle and scream that they were left to die by the other teams to cause ego friction...check with H-W and it seemed to work when Atlas ran home..
9.T20!!!!!...I think this one was the first one to go...ugh


I think what upsets NC and PL the most is that the SC actually log on to do something while NC and PL just hang out jamming systems with alts or shooting stuff when no one is around, aka risk free peeveepee..Rolling Eyes

I get a chuckle out of the rage PL have against IT so that fight will be a good one to watch for months. Meanwhile goonies are making a grass-roots effort to revive themselves by putting together the "Test Alliance" and going back to making fart jokes on CAOD...Rolling Eyes U guys are whacky!!..Wink

Anyways...I have JC down to PR- and will be gate camping the area there for a while but need bombers so if anyone is selling hounds can you contract me a few in PR please kthx.

And in before......u mad and any other limp wristed spoo..Wink




Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.05.29 03:01:00 - [110]
 

your hurf durf need more smileys to make it pro

Kay Rizen
Minmatar
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2010.05.29 08:15:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Snot Shot
long stuff i didnt read


I heard you guys gank haulers all day and dock up when pvpers show up with less numbers/quality than you.

Vladic Ka
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.05.29 08:44:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: Snot Shot

looses



dur!
Originally by: Snot Shot

I get a chuckle out of the rage PL have against IT so that fight will be a good one to watch for months.



Tournie time dude. And there are many more cheerios to pee in.

Karunel
Gallente
Princeps Corp
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.05.29 23:25:00 - [113]
 

Why are we all fighting each other when we all should be podding Snot Shot repeatedly?

Thodoros
Minmatar
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.05.30 10:34:00 - [114]
 

We are missing a Titan loss from Molly and this campaign will be over for good.
Lol.


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