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Headmann
Posted - 2010.05.30 11:31:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: omgfreemoniez
Think Covert cloaking Dramiel with 4 100% bonused guns with 100% falloff bonus, 20%/level to web range, and bubble launchers. Oh and it can combat probe. And goes at 10,000 m/s and has 2 built in WCS and Interdiction Nullification.


Dood that isn't T3, thats T-1000 right there

Kendon Riddick
Posted - 2010.06.01 10:01:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Headmann
Originally by: omgfreemoniez
Think Covert cloaking Dramiel with 4 100% bonused guns with 100% falloff bonus, 20%/level to web range, and bubble launchers. Oh and it can combat probe. And goes at 10,000 m/s and has 2 built in WCS and Interdiction Nullification.


Dood that isn't T3, thats T-1000 right there


"a mimetic polyalloy", a liquid metal.

sacrey stuff, time to get to zee choppa

Commoner
Caldari
The Tuskers
Posted - 2010.06.01 10:06:00 - [33]
 

Give me a T3 logistics frig please!

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2010.06.03 02:49:00 - [34]
 

The worst thing that T3 frigates will do is cause a lot of ISK-buying, which means more ISK selling, that means more macros.



Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
Minmatar
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
Posted - 2010.06.03 07:23:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Headmann
Originally by: omgfreemoniez
Think Covert cloaking Dramiel with 4 100% bonused guns with 100% falloff bonus, 20%/level to web range, and bubble launchers. Oh and it can combat probe. And goes at 10,000 m/s and has 2 built in WCS and Interdiction Nullification.


Dood that isn't T3, thats T-1000 right there



Omgfree forgot the Bistromatic Drive I and the Cloning Vat Bay I, but other than that I think he is good to go.

Cosmic Rainbow
Posted - 2010.06.03 13:39:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Ogogov
Strategic BC or BS would be next i'd imagine.

Given how a few certain command ships suck horribly *COUGHCOUGHEOSCOUGHCOUGHastarte* perhaps.... ahh who am I kidding. we'll get another massively gimped ship nobody bothers to fly.




All CS's need a boost compared to Tier 2 or 3 or w/e they are g*y BC's (ie: Drake, Cane, Harbringer etc)

and this is exactly the case and point. CCP brings in new ship classes which are on par with, or in some cases better than ship classes requiring much more training time and effort and/or just completely nullifies another ship class.

They need to stop this sh*t already. I know they want to add new skills, and keep players interested, and give them something to strive for. I know they need to introduce other ISK sinks (bigger ones) in order to get the isk out of the pockets of you richy rich b*stards, but this isnt the way.

FIX the AF's. Clearly define a role for them. FIX the Destroyers. Clearly define a role for them. FIX the damn Command ships (as a whole). They need to clean up their backyard before adding more crap to it.

Ekrid
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2010.06.04 07:23:00 - [37]
 

there's nothing strategic about a class of ship that fails epically, no matter how many reasonable bonuses you can stick on there.

Operative worded bolded for emphasis.

Captain Nares
Posted - 2010.06.04 07:55:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Captain Nares on 04/06/2010 07:56:05
Originally by: Ekrid
there's nothing strategic about a class of ship that fails epically, no matter how many reasonable bonuses you can stick on there.

Operative worded bolded for emphasis.


I killed 3 Tengu's solo in my Dramiel. If my Dramiel was "strategic" and had a covert cloak, 100 more dps and some CPU for probe launcher, it would emm... bang a **** out of carebears rly hard.

Possible fast and cloaky T3 "covertintys" seem to be rly useful in gangs, non-cloaky T3 frigs may be nice solo fun mobiles like current Dramiel, Taranis, Crusader.

Marlinea
Minmatar
United Front Alliance
Posted - 2010.06.15 18:02:00 - [39]
 

lol then why not T3 battle ship, and start to do T2 capital ship while here :P

TV Evangelist
Imminent Ruin
Posted - 2010.06.15 19:30:00 - [40]
 

T3 frigs will never happen. I mean honestly, we already have 2 entire frig classes that are useless.

Daniel Farore
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2010.06.15 19:52:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Daniel Farore on 15/06/2010 19:52:37
Originally by: Marcus Henik
while I see both sides of the argument I dont see t3 frigs as obsoleting all the other frigs fr one simple reason, price. at the end of the day your still flying a ship thats going to be several timesmore expensive than its t2 counterpart, and in most cases wont fill a specfic role better than its t2 counterpart. Example: t3 scanning<t2scan boats T3ewar<t2ewar t3 has a coupl things that it can do that t2 cant, and it is pretty tuff tokill in a fight, but I am not seeing massive gangs of t3 moving around atmost 1 or 2 roaming.



Someone makes sense here. Very Happy

T3 ships offer a lot of flexibility, but aren't as focused as T2. They can be quite hardy ships but they also cost quite a bit more.
We already have many different ships with the same roles but from different races that do things a bit differently. Some better than others. T3 are just another choice available. Doesn't mean everything else will be obsolete. Especially new players and people with alts wont think "I wont fly a T1 frigate because it is 'obsolete'." Right now T2 frigates are a lot better, but T1 are still used because it's cheap fun.

Eva Blacklist
Posted - 2010.06.15 21:00:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Cpt Branko
I really wish they don't release T3 frigates tfbh. If they follow the T2-T3 progression of cruisers they will obsolete most T2 frigates and T1 (which new player experience and stuff practically hinges on, we all got our freaking wings flying T1 frigates) will be so obsolete you won't be able to see them from your mountain of awesome with a freaking telescope. Which is, imo, a bad thing.




+1

Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2010.06.15 22:04:00 - [43]
 

I'm just waiting for a pirate faction Phoon. probably be waiting a while.

But i think the pirate faction phoon should have similar speed as a mach, and have 8 siege launcher/turret slots for max gank

Valea Silpha
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2010.06.16 07:36:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Commoner
Give me a T3 logistics frig please!


THIS!

And not the ******ed '50% better reps' bull**** that on the cruisers. Long range, low cap use and fitting for oversized reps.

FINALLY something other than scimmis for supporting fast gangs. That'd be real nice. Less rep, but more faster and thus useful.

Logistics is one of the most useful roles in game atm, basically any gang wants some repper love if its on offer, and yet we have 2 decent ships for doing it, and even then guardians only get good when you hook up 4+.

They can give all the rest of the subs bonuses to puppy launchers and laser pens for all I care.

Daniel Farore
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2010.06.16 09:07:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Daniel Farore on 16/06/2010 09:08:27
Originally by: Valea Silpha
Originally by: Commoner
Give me a T3 logistics frig please!


THIS!

And not the ******ed '50% better reps' bull**** that on the cruisers. Long range, low cap use and fitting for oversized reps.

FINALLY something other than scimmis for supporting fast gangs. That'd be real nice. Less rep, but more faster and thus useful.

Logistics is one of the most useful roles in game atm, basically any gang wants some repper love if its on offer, and yet we have 2 decent ships for doing it, and even then guardians only get good when you hook up 4+.

They can give all the rest of the subs bonuses to puppy launchers and laser pens for all I care.


Most people here seem to think of T3 as dramiels, in overdrive, with cloaks, and an insane tank. The end of all other frigates. Why does it have to be so?

I like the suggestion of the logistics frigate here.

And as far as cloaked frigates go, we have the probing scout and the bombing/torpedo stealth bomber.
Why not give it charactaristics a-lá mini Combat Recon/Force Recon.
-Stealth
-Some DPS (but nothing extreme)
-Durability at least on par with AF (it is T3 after all.)
-Maybe some minor EWAR capabilities perhaps?

Or another variant sacrificing somewhere to give it immunity to bubles/resistance to warp scrambling, allowing the use of MWD but maybe not warp.

Or a variant that is the nemesis of anti-frigate cruisers, a anti-cruiser frigate. Maybe fitting cruiser sized weapons. (Without cloaking abilities.)

Be creative!

1Ekrid1
Posted - 2010.06.16 09:20:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Pokechan333
I'm just wondering one thing, won't the release of T3 frigs make every other frigate worthless except for maybe a stealth bomber? It might cost 100 mil for a frigate, but dramiels cost that much but they are better than any other frigate so far


yes.

T3 frigs are a horrible idea.

1Ekrid1
Posted - 2010.06.16 09:31:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 16/06/2010 09:38:10
Edited by: 1Ekrid1 on 16/06/2010 09:36:21
Originally by: yani dumyat
Originally by: Ahz

A lego-frigate that can be reconfigured to fit the role of a Cheetah, Hyena, Wolf, Claw, Stilleto, Jaguar would be fine if you didn't have ships in all those roles already.

It bugs me that there are already so many obsolete ships in-game. Not looking for CCP to add more of them.

My two cents.


Exactly how do T3 frigs obsolete all those cheap ships? Strategic cruisers have not made T2 cruisers obsolete because of the cost barrier and for a similar reason you still see many more T2 frigs than pirate faction frigs.


cost barrier. exactly.

T3 is the toy of the rich person who can afford it and will WTFPWNBBQ all other frigs. say its 3 T1 frigs against 1 T3 frig. Im sure the T3 frig will win.

This game just gets more entrenched in vet players having ultimate power over newcomwers every day.



Originally by: Lupus Pyro
nah i think t3 frigs is pointless, there are too many frigs already out there, t3 cruisers clearly filled the gap of damage or tank, or both, where cruisers clearly didn't shine too well, another set of frigs is too confusing.
I'd prefer CCP to focus its efforts on designing something awesome for a new mothership role, which i know is a little out of most of EVE's reach, but i think that most if not all ship roles have been filled in the lower stages of the game, now we need to see a serious flagship.




id like to point out that BC was created to patch the problem of needing something more effective to kill cruisers as BSes couldn't do it as effectively.

They're throwing more ships into the game to "Fix" problems with DPS and tank instead of actually " FIXING PROBLEMS"? Well thats clever.

This game is becomeing imba-ville. I think theey're hoping that with so much stuff and variability, the game will owkr work itself out isnstead of actually committing to balancing the game with rock > paper > scissor, They can and its possible because I've seen games that do that, but they're throwing more crap into the blender to see if it blends.



And stop with the "T1 ships will always be needed as throw away tacklers". There's one ship in the T1 line up thats designed to be a throw away tackller. The rest are designed to have combat roles. Those combat roles were already made obsolete by T2, but still, you want to add even more to make them more obsolete and make T2 obsolete? Stupid.

JS LiamElms
Gallente
Zor Industries
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.06.16 11:00:00 - [48]
 

t3 cruisers ruined the cruiser class!

just saying yeah....



but i would like to add something interesting to this... people will start going back to t2 and t1 when they realise that t3 frigs will be just like t3 crusiers. you lose skill points everytime you die... and thats the biggest annoyance! not to add, your t3 frig will be a lot easier to kill than your t3 crusier.

i for one enjoy the flexibility of having 1 hull with lots of variations than having to haul many around with me. As you move from 1 part of eve to another.

1Ekrid1
Posted - 2010.06.16 11:26:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: JS LiamElms
t3 cruisers ruined the cruiser class!

just saying yeah....



but i would like to add something interesting to this... people will start going back to t2 and t1 when they realise that t3 frigs will be just like t3 crusiers. you lose skill points everytime you die... and thats the biggest annoyance! not to add, your t3 frig will be a lot easier to kill than your t3 crusier.

i for one enjoy the flexibility of having 1 hull with lots of variations than having to haul many around with me. As you move from 1 part of eve to another.



yeah, 3 scrams and 2 webs on a gank BC, and a dead T3 frigate later you're out on skills that will take a while to get back. you'll spend all your time skilling.

How was this ever a good idea, and how it ever got passed and implemented one will never know.

Lord Sutekh
Posted - 2010.06.16 11:31:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: Lord Sutekh on 16/06/2010 11:35:27
When I first started this game the t1 ships where invaluable. It was a long time before I got into any t2 ships. Even after playing for a long time t3 took time to get into and I know alot of old dogs that straight up won't fly a t3. Every ship has a specific roll and I still have alot of my old ships and still fly them alot. T3 replaces nothing. Everything has a nitch. T3 are expensive to buy and fit, they are also very skill intensive. They ruin nothing, I welcome them to come. I still fly my Punisher and that is a t1 frig. I can fly most ships in the game and I fly a punisher off and on.
Originally by: Captain Nares
Edited by: Captain Nares on 04/06/2010 07:56:05
Originally by: Ekrid
there's nothing strategic about a class of ship that fails epically, no matter how many reasonable bonuses you can stick on there.

Operative worded bolded for emphasis.


I killed 3 Tengu's solo in my Dramiel. If my Dramiel was "strategic" and had a covert cloak, 100 more dps and some CPU for probe launcher, it would emm... bang a **** out of carebears rly hard.

Possible fast and cloaky T3 "covertintys" seem to be rly useful in gangs, non-cloaky T3 frigs may be nice solo fun mobiles like current Dramiel, Taranis, Crusader.


The only way you possibly managed to take out a tengu was either A)The ship had no fit on it at all and the person was afk and probably low skills. B) You where the tackler in a group and just happened to be shooting at it so you can say you killed one. C) The pilot was a complete noob wiht no skills to speak of and a complete **** fit. A Dram attacking my tengu would be a complete joke. You would be lucky to make my shields even show a scratch with my active tank off and me afk.

1Ekrid1
Posted - 2010.06.16 11:43:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Lord Sutekh
Edited by: Lord Sutekh on 16/06/2010 11:35:27
When I first started this game the t1 ships where invaluable. It was a long time before I got into any t2 ships. Even after playing for a long time t3 took time to get into and I know alot of old dogs that straight up won't fly a t3. Every ship has a specific roll and I still have alot of my old ships and still fly them alot. T3 replaces nothing. Everything has a nitch. T3 are expensive to buy and fit, they are also very skill intensive. They ruin nothing, I welcome them to come. I still fly my Punisher and that is a t1 frig. I can fly most ships in the game and I fly a punisher off and on.
Originally by: Captain Nares
Edited by: Captain Nares on 04/06/2010 07:56:05
Originally by: Ekrid
there's nothing strategic about a class of ship that fails epically, no matter how many reasonable bonuses you can stick on there.

Operative worded bolded for emphasis.


I killed 3 Tengu's solo in my Dramiel. If my Dramiel was "strategic" and had a covert cloak, 100 more dps and some CPU for probe launcher, it would emm... bang a **** out of carebears rly hard.

Possible fast and cloaky T3 "covertintys" seem to be rly useful in gangs, non-cloaky T3 frigs may be nice solo fun mobiles like current Dramiel, Taranis, Crusader.


The only way you possibly managed to take out a tengu was either A)The ship had no fit on it at all and the person was afk and probably low skills. B) You where the tackler in a group and just happened to be shooting at it so you can say you killed one. C) The pilot was a complete noob wiht no skills to speak of and a complete **** fit. A Dram attacking my tengu would be a complete joke. You would be lucky to make my shields even show a scratch with my active tank off and me afk.



flying a punisher around amarr prime doesn = flying it in PVP as a gank fit because you aren't being forced to set it to tackle by your FC, and doesn't = roaming in lowsec to get fights in it and have a chance in hell of winning.

as to your quote about the dramiel, Im quite sure thats what it was, he was tackling and had a gun that gave him .01% of all the damage against the ship so he got the killmail as well when his gang popped it. yay for roams.

has anyone considered that this enourages more gank fit blobbing and gate camping to try to grief people in T3 ships so they lose lots of money and skills, thereby getting low SP low ISK T1 ship newbies caught in the crossfire whenever they go anywhere? because they'll just be a one second target practice for the lulz to pass the time waiting to gank tengus on gates.

Shade Millith
Caldari
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.06.16 12:29:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: 1Ekrid1
e sure thats what it was, he was tackling and had a gun that gave him .01% of all the damage against the ship so he got the killmail as well when his gang popped it. yay for roams.


The does have 3 kills on tengu's, but they were either horribly fit, T1 medium shield booster, Badly thought though passive tank, or duel small rep with no EM resistance, and all three had rats on them.


ZigZag Joe
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas.
Posted - 2010.06.16 12:51:00 - [53]
 

1. buff tier1 bcs vs tier2 - another slot for ferox/brutix, another gun for proph/cyclone, fitting buff
2. buff AFs - another slot, TRUE 4th bonus, revise the current bonuses ( http://zzj.itf-inc.com/downloads/AFs.html )
3. buff dessies - increase base hp to tier3 cruiser levels, another slot (low caldari, minnie, mid for gal, amarr), and mild fitting buffs
4. do _something_ for keres and hyena - fittings, move slots??
5. make the lesser used t3 subsystems worth something
6. sort out CSes
7. make me a sandwich
8. balance scimi/oneios vs basi/guardian (cap recharge, fitting)
9. buff hybrids, drone hp, and get gal a true midrange weapon system
10. make non tier3 frigs worth something (what's accomplished by them being so utterly useless?)

then maybe, maybe, contemplate t3 frigs.

Lord Sutekh
Posted - 2010.06.16 14:22:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: 1Ekrid1
flying a punisher around amarr prime doesn = flying it in PVP as a gank fit because you aren't being forced to set it to tackle by your FC, and doesn't = roaming in lowsec to get fights in it and have a chance in hell of winning.

as to your quote about the dramiel, Im quite sure thats what it was, he was tackling and had a gun that gave him .01% of all the damage against the ship so he got the killmail as well when his gang popped it. yay for roams.

has anyone considered that this enourages more gank fit blobbing and gate camping to try to grief people in T3 ships so they lose lots of money and skills, thereby getting low SP low ISK T1 ship newbies caught in the crossfire whenever they go anywhere? because they'll just be a one second target practice for the lulz to pass the time waiting to gank tengus on gates.


Actually I fly it with 3+ other people in low sec killing rates and the occasional LOLZ when some lone random ship is passing through, such as a hulk, retriever, BS, or a badly fit cruiser / BC. Its just for the lol really and if I die who gives a **** it was a few mill to t2 fit and I don't care I just buy a new one.
When I take my more expensive ships out (300m+ total value) I am on vent with alot of others ready to come pvp at a moments notice, and if I got into low sec I go with alteast 2 others that are well fit just to be safe and yes I am still on vent for fast back up.
Finally who in ther right mind takes an expensive ship through a gate without having eyes on the other side to know what is coming? My tengu in low sec with no eyes? your out of your damn mind, I'll just fly my drake at that time thank you very much.


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