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Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2010.05.17 05:00:00 - [1]
 

I propose that Concord starts selling monthly 'protection' plans. I know this concept was offered earlier, in jest, but I could really see it happen. :) Here's the outline.


1) Basic Package: free. You get what they offer now.

2) Rapid Response Plan: 100 mil per month, per sec level. Ups response time to that of a higher security level, to a max of protection equivalent of that which you get in 1.0 space. NOT applicable in < 0.5 space. So, if you're in 0.5 space and want the 0.9 deal, you'll pay 400mil a month. Flying in 0.6 space gets you 1.0 type protection for that money. And should you happen to fly in 0.8 space, you'll still only get 1.0 protection.

3) Anti-gank Plan: 500 mil a month. Same response time and protection level as that of Basic Package, but additionally you'll get a beacon you can carry around in your cargohold, which makes scanning your ship and content impossible.* The beacon is programmed by Concord to work for the time you paid; and it's personalized, so it's of no use to anyone else but you. Loss of the beacon will be restituted by Concord. Not paying your monthly fee just means it will stop working (remotely deactivated by Concord).

* Not including protection from combat scanner probes.

4) All packages are personal, non-transferrable, and non-refundable.

And now cometh the beauty. People willing to sign a 'High-sec Non-Aggression Pact' (barring legal wars) will share in the vast amount of ISK Concord makes this way! At 500 mil per participant player, per month, this could add up. There's no penalty for not signing, but if you do, you could receive a fair amount of free ISK each month. People who have anything but the Basic Package can themselves NOT participate in the High-sec Non-Aggression programme.

Yes, essentially this is a protection scheme like the mob runs: you pay not to be harassed. But I feel it's a good compromize: it's not just asking pirates to be nice, but makes you pay a hefty sum if you want it. And pirates get something in return.

darius mclever
Posted - 2010.05.17 09:30:00 - [2]
 

concord is meant to punish. not to protect you.

you are responsible on your own that you are not getting ganked.


Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.05.17 11:54:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei
I propose that Concord starts selling monthly 'protection' plans. I know this concept was offered earlier, in jest, but I could really see it happen. :) Here's the outline.


1) Basic Package: free. You get what they offer now...


Rolling Eyes

So.... not a huge boost to hi-sec in any way then. Because hi-sec doesn't already have enough advantages for manufacturing, research, etc, right?

How about starting with:

1) Basic Package: New characters get 30 days free protection, then after that, they have to pay, or CONCORD won't lift a finger on their behalf. CONCORD steadily raise their rates according the increasing value of the ships they fly.

And take it from there.

Your current proposal is nothing more than a boost to old, rich players, combined with a proposal to give the money back to NPC corp ISK farmer alts. Why the hell should CONCORD give people ISK? Why wouldn't they just keep the ISK?

Please: laugh at me for biting on a troll, because I'd rather IHBT than that you seriously thought this was a good idea.

If you want an improved counter to hi-sec aggression, then by all means propose a player based solution, like a working bounty system combined with transferable killrights. Not even more Magic Invincible NPCs.

Random MonDistinct
Minmatar
Alternative Innovations
Unknown and Beyond
Posted - 2010.05.17 12:09:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Random MonDistinct on 17/05/2010 12:11:44
Not supported for following reasons:
  • It will put noobs at disadvantage, none of them will be able to pay that much.

  • it will grant 100% protection for macro users, they easily can afford 500 mil per month.


Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
Posted - 2010.05.17 16:30:00 - [5]
 

2) isn't crazy, but probably isn't worth the effort of coding. 3) is crazy. And "the beauty" would be farmed to hell and gone by 1-man alt corps, not to mention being completely nonsensical and against the entire design philosophy of Eve. So no, not supported.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2010.05.17 17:28:00 - [6]
 

I think you *TOTALLY MISSED* the point of the original proposal - which was to limit how effective Concord was. Not supported at all.

-Liang

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2010.05.18 15:22:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Ranka Mei on 18/05/2010 15:24:36
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Ranka Mei
I propose that Concord starts selling monthly 'protection' plans. I know this concept was offered earlier, in jest, but I could really see it happen. :) Here's the outline.

So.... not a huge boost to hi-sec in any way then.

Not for free, no.

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Why the hell should CONCORD give people ISK? Why wouldn't they just keep the ISK?

Because they'd have to show up less. Less work for them -> decent citizens get to share in the law enforcement cost saved. Both profit.

Quote:
Please: laugh at me for biting on a troll, because I'd rather IHBT than that you seriously thought this was a good idea.

I think it's really a psychological thing. People have conditioned themselves to thinking "You're nowhere safe in EVE." And I don't even disagree. But, much like in RL where people hire bodyguards and such, what is so 'EVE breaking' about people buying New Eden protection as well? Besides, way I see it, security is just a commodity, like everything else. Why should it not be marketable? Nobody is laughing when I mention 'ship insurance.' Why would hiring extra protection be any different? If people can afford it, why not? Because it's "a boost to old, rich players," as you put it? Well, everything which costs ISK favors rich folks: we might as well abandon the whole market then!

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If you want an improved counter to hi-sec aggression, then by all means propose a player based solution, like a working bounty system combined with transferable killrights. Not even more Magic Invincible NPCs.

If you were to buy a Rapid Response plan, only 'Magic Invincible NPCs' would be able to get there in time. No one else can be notified and spawn out of thin air within seconds.

The bounty system, as it currently stands, is pretty bogged. We can probably agree on that. 'Transferable killrights' would, indeed, already be quite an improvement. Like being able to outsource your kill rights to a security company you hired. Gonna have to think about that some more, as player-based security options are endlessly more complicated, of course (very sensitive to fraud, for one).

I still stand by the idea of having a reliable, marketable form of security, though.

Ore Mut
M.E.P.A.L.S. LLC.
Posted - 2010.05.18 17:06:00 - [8]
 

Why not just hire a corp?

Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2010.05.18 17:22:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Ore Mut
Why not just hire a corp?


If people are ready to throw 100m isk to be protected, why not hire a corp or pay alliance dues?


 

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