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S'qarpium D'igil
Posted - 2010.05.17 03:53:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 17/05/2010 04:10:52
CCP just does not realize that what the players want most is a STABLE and BALANCED running game client.

Dear CCP, please understand that we DO NOT CARE if PI is released tomorrow or two years from now... the same goes for Incarna. But please, CCP, what we do care about is that you simply address the issues with your current product.

Please stop inventing newer and bigger pipe-dream features that you won't give yourself enough time to execute properly. Please just fix what is already there... I can't honestly believe that there isn't something to be fixed or reviewed in the current game client that will keep all of your devs busy. UI, rebalancing, graphics enhancements, stability issues, net code (lag), there really is something for everyone.

Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
Posted - 2010.05.17 06:15:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: S'qarpium D'igil
Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 17/05/2010 04:10:52
CCP just does not realize that what the players want most is a STABLE and BALANCED running game client.

Dear CCP, please understand that we DO NOT CARE if PI is released tomorrow or two years from now... the same goes for Incarna. But please, CCP, what we do care about is that you simply address the issues with your current product.

Please stop inventing newer and bigger pipe-dream features that you won't give yourself enough time to execute properly. Please just fix what is already there... I can't honestly believe that there isn't something to be fixed or reviewed in the current game client that will keep all of your devs busy. UI, rebalancing, graphics enhancements, stability issues, net code (lag), there really is something for everyone.



CCP has been running a succesful MMO, with a continously expanding player base for the past 7 years, and been developing said game the past 10 years. I'm pretty sure they know what they're doing. Most of the time anyway. ;-)

Ban Doga
Posted - 2010.05.17 06:20:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Ban Doga on 17/05/2010 06:20:20
Originally by: Gariuys
Originally by: S'qarpium D'igil
Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 17/05/2010 04:10:52
CCP just does not realize that what the players want most is a STABLE and BALANCED running game client.

Dear CCP, please understand that we DO NOT CARE if PI is released tomorrow or two years from now... the same goes for Incarna. But please, CCP, what we do care about is that you simply address the issues with your current product.

Please stop inventing newer and bigger pipe-dream features that you won't give yourself enough time to execute properly. Please just fix what is already there... I can't honestly believe that there isn't something to be fixed or reviewed in the current game client that will keep all of your devs busy. UI, rebalancing, graphics enhancements, stability issues, net code (lag), there really is something for everyone.


CCP has been running a succesful MMO, with a continously expanding player base for the past 7 years, and been developing said game the past 10 years. I'm pretty sure they know what they're doing. Most of the time anyway. ;-)



"good" is the enemy of "great"

necronarcosis
Eggz Enterprises
Posted - 2010.05.17 10:18:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: necronarcosis on 17/05/2010 10:18:55
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
IMO we have not really broken any promise as when we state the issue is deferred, its deferred with no set new release window (this is generally always the case). The patch and release schedule is determined by many factors, however we can see why you might infer 'post-dominion' as 'immediately following dominion' and no matter how many disclaimers we add to our posts, they never seem to be enough. It does suck that we have not been able to slot the assault frigate and rocket reviews into Tyrannis and that those of you eagerly awaiting it will need to wait longer Crying or Very sad but such as the limitation of pipeline bandwidth.

Historically, we tend to do most of our game balancing work during the summer generally as things are quieter then for the teams, especially design. Internally we have done some work on assault frigates and rockets with discussion on EAF and Black ops or tech II ammo closely following it to give an indicator of our balancing backlog.

We can never promise at such an early stage when any change will arrive on tranquility but we are aware of the issues and making progress. As soon as the dust settles from Tyrannis we will look to give you an updated status on the many issues we are looking into and where they stand.



then do yourself's a favor quit announcing things grandioso to get people intrested then putting them on the back burner, you look more like an old labour govenment every day.

S'qarpium D'igil
Posted - 2010.05.17 16:48:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 17/05/2010 17:06:15
Bumping this thread for great justice.

edit:

Originally by: Gariuys

CCP has been running a succesful MMO, with a continously expanding player base for the past 7 years, and been developing said game the past 10 years. I'm pretty sure they know what they're doing. Most of the time anyway. ;-)


CCP has also been the target of major criticism from over 50% of its user base for the past x years because they simply refuse to seriously take time to fix what is broken. Instead they focus on expanding features that will bring more players to their game. They don't give a sh*t about their existing member base; we're just a number to them, one which they are solely focused on increasing rather than pleasing. CCP might THINK that they are trying to please us with new features, but this is simply further evidence that CCP does not listen to what we want most. They have said that they are going to spend more time fixing and improving what is already there, but their actions have shown that they have little intention of following through on that [broken] promise. (And it IS a broken promise, CCP)

Xtover
Suicide Kings
Posted - 2010.05.17 18:08:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Xtover on 17/05/2010 18:09:19
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
we can see why you might infer 'post-dominion' as 'immediately following dominion' and no matter how many disclaimers we add to our posts, they never seem to be enough.



Assault Frigates were promised IN dominion, and then Dominion 1.1 specifically.

Eve search it yourselves, devs.



Cordin Hamir
Posted - 2010.05.17 18:09:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: CCP Chronotis
IMO we have not really broken any promise as when we state the issue is deferred, its deferred with no set new release window (this is generally always the case). The patch and release schedule is determined by many factors, however we can see why you might infer 'post-dominion' as 'immediately following dominion' and no matter how many disclaimers we add to our posts, they never seem to be enough. It does suck that we have not been able to slot the assault frigate and rocket reviews into Tyrannis and that those of you eagerly awaiting it will need to wait longer Crying or Very sad but such as the limitation of pipeline bandwidth.



To say the least this is a little disingenious, at work if I tell a customer that something will be ready after this week or at home if I tell my children they will get a sweet after lunch then in both cases the normal assumption is sometime fairly soon after the stated event (not 6 months/a year/never as is the case here). The very strong implication previously was that these fixes would be in very soon after Dominion - not at some very distant and indeterminate time.

Fenderson
Posted - 2010.05.17 19:00:00 - [38]
 

if you really mean that a feature is delayed indefinitely, then why not just say "this feature is delayed indefinitely" rather than "post-dominion" or whatever.

the only reason to chose the latter is if you are trying to imply, whether honestly or dishonestly, that it will be *soon* after dominion.

Captain Mastiff
Posted - 2010.05.17 19:10:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: CCP Chronotis

Historically, we never tend to do most of our game balancing



Corrected? Yes I think so!


Ana Vyr
Caldari
Posted - 2010.05.17 19:50:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Ana Vyr on 17/05/2010 19:50:20
Originally by: S'qarpium D'igil
Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 17/05/2010 17:06:15
Bumping this thread for great justice.

edit:

Originally by: Gariuys

CCP has been running a succesful MMO, with a continously expanding player base for the past 7 years, and been developing said game the past 10 years. I'm pretty sure they know what they're doing. Most of the time anyway. ;-)


CCP has also been the target of major criticism from over 50% of its user base for the past x years because they simply refuse to seriously take time to fix what is broken. Instead they focus on expanding features that will bring more players to their game. They don't give a sh*t about their existing member base; we're just a number to them, one which they are solely focused on increasing rather than pleasing. CCP might THINK that they are trying to please us with new features, but this is simply further evidence that CCP does not listen to what we want most. They have said that they are going to spend more time fixing and improving what is already there, but their actions have shown that they have little intention of following through on that [broken] promise. (And it IS a broken promise, CCP)


What do you expect when the veteran playerbase keeps continuing to pay them by paying their monthly subs? The rabid fans are rewarding CCP's behaviour. Heck, half the players here are paying for more than one account, for crap sakes.

S'qarpium D'igil
Posted - 2010.05.17 20:00:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 17/05/2010 20:09:45
Originally by: Ana Vyr
Edited by: Ana Vyr on 17/05/2010 19:50:20

What do you expect when the veteran playerbase keeps continuing to pay them by paying their monthly subs? The rabid fans are rewarding CCP's behaviour. Heck, half the players here are paying for more than one account, for crap sakes.


The only real reason I think this happens is because CCP has the only DECENT internet spaceships MMO available. If a company with a good business sense -- one that actually cared about their product and their customers -- released a good spaceship MMO, I think CCP would finally have a harsh reality check.

As it is we're stuck with CCP and their broken promises.

As for people having multiple subscriptions, this is a model that CCP encourages (the 'power of two' promotion comes to mind here). Once again, it's all about numbers for them; they don't seem interested in the amount of value you can get out of their product with just one active subscription. If you're going to fly a capital ship, it's almost a necessity to have a cyno/scouting alt account.

But we're digressing here... The real issue in this thread is that CCP isn't fixing the things that they told us they would fix in any kind of reasonable timeframe.

Serpent Kamri
Posted - 2010.05.17 20:13:00 - [42]
 

Chillax guys, CCP have clearly adopted Valve time. According to the calendar early 2010 means 18th of November 2011.

...except it won't be nearly as polished as Valve releases are.

Widemouth Deepthroat
Posted - 2010.05.17 20:18:00 - [43]
 

I just don't know why this pvp game we need wait years for weapon/ship rebalancing when it is essentially fiddling with some numbers (doesn't need art team, etc). Like with Hel...how long can it take to just tweak the ship a little bit so it is comparable to the others .I can understand maybe take a while to do the numbers for recent projectile changes, but just add a bonus/change some number...ffs

Marchocias
Posted - 2010.05.17 20:37:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Ashina Sito
Eve is an evolving Universe. There will never bee an Eve II. Eve will expand and morph itself over time and will become an "Eve II" though the process.


By my count we're already on Eve 13. Smile

Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2010.05.17 20:39:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: CCP Chronotis
It does suck that we have not been able to slot the assault frigate and rocket reviews into Tyrannis and that those of you eagerly awaiting it will need to wait longer Crying or Very sad but such as the limitation of pipeline bandwidth.


How much longer? Rockets issue is already approaching 2 years of age. Should we wait before it grow up and marry to produce a child?

Kharadran Sullath
Caldari
Subordination
Posted - 2010.05.17 20:53:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
*****, *****, moan, moan, rave, rave etc...


Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Ghoest
Posted - 2010.05.17 20:57:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Kharadran Sullath
Originally by: Ghoest
*****, *****, moan, moan, rave, rave etc...


Don't let the door hit you on the way out.



So the truth hurts fan boi? Awwwwwwwww.


Anyway. Anyone whose been around EVE for years not that my prediction in the case is more likely to come true than the Devs carefully worded non-promise.

Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
Posted - 2010.05.17 21:26:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Syn Callibri on 17/05/2010 21:27:27



(edit: just not worth the effort.)

Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr
Indicium Technologies
Hephaestus Forge Alliance
Posted - 2010.05.17 21:39:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: S'qarpium D'igil
Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 17/05/2010 20:09:45
Originally by: Ana Vyr
Edited by: Ana Vyr on 17/05/2010 19:50:20

What do you expect when the veteran playerbase keeps continuing to pay them by paying their monthly subs? The rabid fans are rewarding CCP's behaviour. Heck, half the players here are paying for more than one account, for crap sakes.


The only real reason I think this happens is because CCP has the only DECENT internet spaceships MMO available. If a company with a good business sense -- one that actually cared about their product and their customers -- released a good spaceship MMO, I think CCP would finally have a harsh reality check.

As it is we're stuck with CCP and their broken promises.

As for people having multiple subscriptions, this is a model that CCP encourages (the 'power of two' promotion comes to mind here). Once again, it's all about numbers for them; they don't seem interested in the amount of value you can get out of their product with just one active subscription. If you're going to fly a capital ship, it's almost a necessity to have a cyno/scouting alt account.

But we're digressing here... The real issue in this thread is that CCP isn't fixing the things that they told us they would fix in any kind of reasonable timeframe.


/Thread

Elder Man
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.05.17 23:10:00 - [50]
 


CCP has bigger fish to fry than Assault Frigs. ffs

Shinji Seto
Minmatar
Xolti Research
Posted - 2010.05.17 23:33:00 - [51]
 

WooHooo I'm posting the the bi-annual pre expansion whine thread! \o/

CCP Soundwave


C C P Alliance
Posted - 2010.05.17 23:42:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Shinji Seto
WooHooo I'm posting the the bi-annual pre expansion whine thread! \o/


Me too! :hfive:

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2010.05.18 00:43:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Shinji Seto
WooHooo I'm posting the the bi-annual pre expansion whine thread! \o/


Me too! :hfive:
Neutral Seriously.. You hurt our collective bi-annual feelings. Crying or Very sad

S'qarpium D'igil
Posted - 2010.05.18 01:23:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Shinji Seto
WooHooo I'm posting the the bi-annual pre expansion whine thread! \o/


Me too! :hfive:


2/10

Captain Mastiff
Posted - 2010.05.18 01:24:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Captain Mastiff on 18/05/2010 01:27:39
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Shinji Seto
WooHooo I'm posting the the bi-annual pre expansion whine thread! \o/


Me too! :hfive:


Lack of content there Soundwave?

I for one am sick of CCP putting this off... 2 years is a joke!

Also I might as well add... What kind of company actually jokes about itself with all the "Soontm" ****, I don't actually see it as good advertisement or even customer relations. I actually see it quite sad that they do so frequently make fun of themselves due to their approach to actually fixing things.

To top it off... they refuse to listen to people saying the expansion isn't ready for release through testing and they wait until 3/4 days before expansion release before they announce its rescheduling. I've got so sick of these mass testings as I am yet to see any sort of improvement from any of these tests.

**** LAG, FIX ROFLKETS!


Liang Nuren
Posted - 2010.05.18 02:07:00 - [56]
 

Hey Chronitis, how about you just hire me to work on weapon balancing. I'll work cheap, and I can probably hammer out the basic issues in a couple weeks in Iceland before heading back to Portland. Or just hire me to telecommute.... I r gud at datuhbayses n prowgraymeeng n stuffz!!!

-Liang

Elaron
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.05.18 05:35:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Xtover
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
we can see why you might infer 'post-dominion' as 'immediately following dominion' and no matter how many disclaimers we add to our posts, they never seem to be enough.



Assault Frigates were promised IN dominion, and then Dominion 1.1 specifically.

Eve search it yourselves, devs.



Of course, now you've pointed this out, I doubt that there will be another serious dev reply in this thread.

Bibbleibble
Posted - 2010.05.18 05:41:00 - [58]
 

What I want to know, is what the game designers are working on that isn't rockets. Because they can't seriously expect us to believe that they are all working on PI, or if they do, it would seem I've vastly overestimated how good they are at their jobs. ugh

Asuka Smith
Gallente
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Posted - 2010.05.18 06:25:00 - [59]
 

Devs need to stop giving dates and say "SoonTM" like back in the days when no one complained.

Chaeryl
Posted - 2010.05.18 06:56:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Chaeryl on 18/05/2010 06:58:18
Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: Kharadran Sullath
Originally by: Ghoest
*****, *****, moan, moan, rave, rave etc...


Don't let the door hit you on the way out.



So the truth hurts fan boi? Awwwwwwwww.


Anyway. Anyone whose been around EVE for years not that my prediction in the case is more likely to come true than the Devs carefully worded non-promise.


No really, you can leave if you want to.

Edit: Stupid alt.


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